WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW."

歡迎回到 "深夜秀"。

HE IS THE NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR OF

他是《紐約時報》的暢銷書作者。

"UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK MAN."

"與一個黑人的不愉快的談話。"

ON MONDAY NIGHT, HE WILL BE HOSTING "THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE

週一晚上，他將主持 "The BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR.

FINAL ROSE."

最後的玫瑰。"

PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," EMMANUEL ACHO!

歡迎回到 "晚間秀"，艾曼紐爾-阿喬！

EMMANUEL, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

艾曼紐爾，很高興再次見到你。

>> MY BROTHER, SO GOOD TO SEE YOU, MY FRIEND.

>> 我的兄弟，很高興見到你，我的朋友。

SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.

很高興見到你。

>> Stephen: YOU'RE ONE OF THE FEW GUESTS WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD

>> 你是我們實際接待過的少數客人之一。

TWICE IN COVID.

兩次在COVID。

THIS IS HOW LONG IT'S BEEN GOING ON.

這是多長時間，它已經持續了。

THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

上次你來的時候，我們還在談論... ...

"UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK MAN" AND

"與一名黑人男子的談話令人不舒服"，以及

UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS IN GENERAL.

一般性的不舒服的談話。

AND WHILE TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM AS A WHITE MAN CAN BE

而當作為一個白人談論系統性的種族主義時，可以是

UNCOMFORTABLE, I DON'T MEAN TO DISAPPOINT YOU, BUT YOU'RE

不舒服，我不是想讓你失望，但你是。

ACTUALLY VERY COMFORTABLE TO TALK TO.

實際上，非常舒適的交談。

I HOPE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A FAILURE TO YOU.

我希望這對你來說不是失敗

>> OH, IT'S A CATCH-22.

>> 哦，這是一個陷阱。

I LURE YOU IN BY SAYING IT WILL BE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT ONCE

我說會讓你不舒服，但一旦你不舒服，我就會引誘你

YOU'RE HERE, STEPHEN, IT'S ALL COMFORT, MY FRIEND.

你在這裡，史蒂芬，這是對你的安慰，我的朋友。

>> Stephen: THIS SUMMER, YOU LAUNCHED A WEB SERIES TO TALK

>> 史蒂芬：今年夏天，你推出了一個網絡系列節目，講述了你的故事。

ABOUT RACE IN AMERICA.

關於美國的種族。

AT THAT POINT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING THIS SUMMER, DID YOU, IN

在那個時候，當我們今年夏天談話的時候，你有沒有，在... ...

YOUR WILDEST DREAMS, THINK YOU WOULD BE HOSTING "THE BACHELOR"

你的夢想，認為你會主持 "教師"。

THE NEXT TIME WE TALKED?

下一次我們談話的時候？

>> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> 絕對不是。

THAT IS THE CRAZIEST OF STORIES THAT "UNCOMFORTABLE

那是最瘋狂的故事，"不舒服"。

CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK MAN" A BOOK ABOUT RACIAL

與黑人的對話》一本關於種族問題的書。

RECONCILIATION WILL LEAD YOU-- LEAD ME-- TO NOW HOSTING THE

重組將引導你... 引導我... ...到現在舉辦的 "中國夢"。

MOST-UNCOMFORTABLE EPISODE OF ONE OF THE MOST-WATCHED SHOWS IN

最不舒服的劇集之一的最受歡迎的節目在

OUR RECENT HISTORY.

我們最近的歷史。

MIND BLOWING.

震撼人心。

>> Stephen: IT IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.

>> 斯蒂芬：這是絕對不可思議的。

LET'S GET TO THAT.

讓我們來談談這個。

"THE BACHELOR" IS ALWAYS FULL OF DRAMA, OBVIOUSLY.

"The BACHELOR "總是充滿了戲劇性，很明顯。

BUT THIS SEASON WAS PARTICULARLY DRAMATIC.

但這一季特別有戲劇性。

THERE WAS CONTROVERSY OFF SCREEN.

在螢幕外有爭議。

FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED, AND

對於那些不知道的人，你能不能解釋一下發生了什麼事，以及。

WHY PEOPLE WERE SO UPSET?

為什麼人們會如此不安？

>> TWO-FOLD.

>> 雙重。

FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS SEASON WAS THE FIRST BLACK BACHELOR,

第一和最重要的是，這一季是第一個黑人學士。

MATT JAMES.

MATT JAMES：

THAT'S NO SMALL FEAT.

這是一個不小的功能。

20 SEASONS AND WE NOW HAVE OUR FIRST BLACK BACHELOR-- OVER 20

20個賽季，我們現在有了我們的第一個黑人學士--超過20個

SEASONS, IN FACT.

事實上，季節。

BUT ALSO, ONE OF HIS FINAL THREE FRONT-RUNNERS, RACHEL, SHE WAS

但同時，他的最後三個前鋒之一，RACHEL，她是

PICTURED AT AN ANTEBELLUM-STYLE PLANTATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA IN

在社交媒體上拍攝的安特貝勒風格的種植園。

2018.

2018.

AND THOSE PICTURES RESURFACED.

和這些圖片重新梳理。

SHE IS A WHITE WOMAN, OBVIOUSLY, AND SO YOU HAVE MATT JAMES, A

她是一個白人女性，很明顯，所以你有馬特-詹姆斯，一個。

BLACK MAN, ONE OF HIS FINAL FRONT-RUNNERS, RACHEL, HAS THESE

黑衣人，他的最後一位前鋒，RACHEL，有這些

PICTURES SURFACE, THESE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE PICTURES.

圖片表面，這些種族不敏感的圖片。

IMAGINE HOW CONVOLUTED AND VOLATILE THIS TOPIC IS BECAUSE

想象一下，這個話題是多麼的矛盾和動盪，是因為

YOU'RE DEALING WITH LOVE AND YOU'RE ALSO DEALING WITH RACE

你在處理愛情，你也在處理種族問題

AND RACIAL INSENSITIVITY.

和種族麻木不仁。

>> Stephen: OKAY, AND THIS IS-- AND I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT

>> 好吧，這是 -- 我相信，如果我不是。

MISTAKEN, THESE ARE LIKE A-- QUOTE, UNQUOTE-- OLD SOUTH DAYS.

錯誤的，這些都是像一個... ... 引用，UNQUOTE -- 舊南方的日子。

IT'S PEOPLE IN HOOP SKIRTS.

它的人在箍裙。

IT'S ACTUALLY RCREATING THE LOOK, IF NOT THE ENVIRONMENT

它實際上是在創造外觀，而不是環境。

OF-- OF AN OLD SOUTH PLANTATION.

一個老的南方種植園的。

>> CORRECT.

>> 正確。

ANTEBELLUM SOUTH PLANTATION IS THE PROPER TERM.

ANTEBELLUM SOUTH PLANTATION is the PROPER TERM。

FOR THOSE AT HOME WONDERING, REMEMBER ANTEBELLUM IN LATIN

對於那些在家裡疑惑的人，請記住拉丁語的ANTEBELLUM。

MEANS "BEFORE THE WAR," THE WAR IN QUESTION, THE CIVIL WAR THAT

是指 "戰前"，即問題中的戰爭，是指

FREED THE SLAVES.

解放了奴隸。

SHE IS PICTURED IN ATTIRE CELEBRATING, IF YOU WILL, BACK

她的照片是在服裝慶祝，如果你願意，回

IN 2018, FOR WHICH SHE HAS SINCE APOLOGIZED, BUT SHE IS PICTURED

在2018年，她已經為之道歉，但她卻被拍成了照片。

IN ATTIRE OF OLD SOUTH ANTEBELLUM PLANTATION, A

在老南安特貝魯姆種植園，A

CELEBRATION, IF YOU.

慶祝活動，如果你。

THAT'S AT LEAST HOW IT LOOKS.

至少看起來是這樣的。

>> Stephen: AND, YOU KNOW, A CELEBRATION AND, ALSO, AT THE

>> 史蒂芬: 而且，你知道，一個慶祝活動，而且，在這個活動中。

VERY LEAST, A WILLFUL IGNORANCE ABOUT THE TRAGEDY ASSOCIATED

最起碼，對相關的悲劇故意視而不見。

WITH THAT ENTIRE CULTURE.

與那整個文化。

OKAY, SO, THERE'S THE ORIGINAL SCANDAL, OR THERE'S THE ORIGINAL

好吧，所以，這就是最初的醜聞，還是有最初的醜聞。

PROBLEM.

問題：

NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT CHRIS HARRISON.

現在讓我們來談談克里斯・哈里森。

HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT?

怎麼會這樣？

FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT STORY, WHAT HAPPENED THERE

對於不知道這個故事的人來說，那裡發生了什麼？

THAT HAS NOW PUT YOU IN THE HOSTING POSITION?

這就把你推上了主持的位置？

>> YEAH, SO CHRIS HARRISON, WHO HAS BEEN THE HOST FOR 20 YEARS

>> 是啊，所以克里斯-哈里森，誰是20年的主持人。

AND HAS RECENTLY STEPPED ASIDE DURING THIS MOMENT, HE TRIED TO

最近，在這一時刻，他試圖靠邊站。

GO TO THE DEFENSE OF RACHEL IN AN INTERVIEW WITH RACHEL

採訪瑞秋時，去為瑞秋辯護。

LINDSEY, AND CHRIS HARRISON, HE WAS-- AS HE WOULD ADMIT-- WAS

林賽和克里斯-哈里森，他是... ... 他承認...

IGNORANT AND WAS ARROGANT IN SAYING THAT, WELL, IN 2018, WHAT

無知，而且還很無禮的說，好吧，在2018年，什麼。

RACHEL DID WASN'T THAT BAD."

RACHEL做的並沒有那麼糟糕。"

CHRIS HARRISON'S WORDS, NOT NECESSARILY MY OWN.

CHRIS HARRISON的話，不一定是我的。

AND "WE'VE ALL KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGED AND CALLED TO THE

和 "我們已經所有類型的承認，並呼籲對。

ATTENTION."

注意。"

NO, NO, NO, IN 2018, IT WAS JUST AS BAD.

不，不，不，在2018年，它是一樣的壞。

WE ARE MORE AWARE NOW, BUT 2018, ACKNOWLEDGING AND DRESSING IN

我們現在更有意識了，但2018年，認識到並穿上衣服。

THE ATTIRE OF AN ANTEBELLUM SOUTH PLANTATION IS JUST AS BAD

南方植物園的態度也同樣糟糕。

AS IT IS RIGHT NOW TODAY.

因為它是現在的今天。

>> Stephen: I THINK THAT IS SAFE TO SAY, THOSE ARE HIS WORDS

>> Stephen: 我想可以說，這些都是他說的。

NOT YOURS.

不是你的。

>> VERY SAFE TO SAY.

>> 很安全的說。

>> Stephen: HERE WE ARE.

>> 我們在這裡。

SO HE STEPS ASIDE TEMPORARILY FROM THOSE DUTIES.

所以他暫時退出了這些工作。

DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT WHETHER HE SHOULD BE DISMISSED

你對他是否應該被開除有什麼看法？

FOR GOOD FOR THIS?

為了好的這個？

OR IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION AND REDEMPTION FOR

還是說這是一個教育和補償的機會？

SOMEONE?

有人嗎？

>> YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE IN CANCEL CULTURE.

>> 是的，我不相信取消文化。

I DO BELIEVE IN ACCOUNTABILITY.

我相信問責制。

AND SO, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, HE IS TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY FOR

所以，我認為，現在，他正在承擔責任，為

HIS ACTIONS.

他的行動：

FOR EVERY ACTION THERE'S AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.

每一個動作都有一個相等和相反的反應。

THAT CAN BE A LAW OF NEWTON OR BASIC COMMON SENSE.

這可以是紐頓法則或基本常識。

HE HAD AN ACTION AND IS CURRENTLY DEALING WITH THE

他採取了一項行動，目前正在處理。

REACTION FROM THAT.

從中反應。

SHOULD HE RETURN TO THAT ROLE?

他應該回到那個角色嗎？

YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CHRIS HARRISON?

你要決定什麼是克里斯-哈里森的最大利益？

WHAT'S IN THE BEST OF THE SHOW AND THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS.

什麼是在最好的節目和執行製片人。

BUT, ALSO, WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CAST?

但是，還有，什麼是在最好的利益的演員？

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO COMMIT TO DIVERSITY.

你知道，他們正試圖致力於多元化。

YOU HAD YOUR FIRST BLACK BACHELOR.

你有你的第一個黑人學士。

WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL THREE OF THOSE PRIMARY

什麼是最有利於這三個主要的利益

PARTIES AT PLAY AND MAKE THE DECISION THAT SERVES THE MOST

在遊戲中的各方，並做出最適合的決定。

GOOD.

好的。

>> Stephen: AS YOU SAID, IT WAS AFTER 20 SEASONS-- 23

>> 正如你所說的，這是在20個賽季之後，23個賽季。

SEASONS, SOMETHING LIKE, THAT BEFORE YOU HAD THE FIRST BLACK

季節，類似於，在你有第一個黑衣人之前。

BACHELOR, AND WHEN YOU HAD THE FIRST BACHELORETTE.

當你有了第一個BACHELORETTE，

DO YOU THINK THESE SHOWS SHOULD MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT REALITY

你認為這些節目是否能更準確地反映現實？

IN AMERICA?

在美國？

YOU KNOW, THE REALITY THAT WE ALL LIVE OF-- OF A DIVERSE

你知道嗎，我們都生活在一個不同的現實中

CULTURE OF 20 DRUNK WOMEN LIVING IN ONE HOUSE TRYING TO GET ONE

20個醉酒的女人住在一棟房子裡，試圖得到一個文化。

GUY TO MARRY THEM-- YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF AMERICA

你知道，美國的真實情況。

( LAUGHS ) >> OH, YOU ARE A FOOL, MY

（笑） >> 哦，你是個傻瓜，我的。

FRIEND.

朋友。

>> Stephen: I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT.

>> 史蒂芬：我把它當作一種鼓勵。

BUT-- YOU KNOW, IT IS-- BECAUSE THE REASON I ASK IS THAT

但是... ... 你知道，這是... ... 因為我問的原因是，

DIVERSITY IS A WONDERFUL THING.

多樣性是一種奇妙的東西。

ARE THESE SHOWS ESSENTIALLY FANTASY TO BEGIN WITH?

這些節目是否一定要從夢幻開始？

ARE WE PUTTING TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON A REALITY SHOW?

我們是否把太多的重量放在真人秀上？

>> SO, HERE IS THE ISSUE AT HAND.

>> 所以，這裡是眼前的問題。

THIS SHOW, "THE BACHELOR" AND "THE BACHELORETTE," THEY ARE

這個節目，"The BACHELOR "和 "The BACHELORETTE"，他們是：

SUPPOSED TO BE THE UTOPIAN RELATIONSHIP IN AMERICA.

應該是美國的烏托邦關係。

BUT IF FOR 20 SEASONS ALL WE SEE IS A WHITE MALE LEAD, IF FOR 13

但如果20季以來，我們只看到一個白人男性上司，如果13季以來，我們只看到一個白人男性上司。

SEASONS ALL WE SEE IS A WHITE FEMALE LEAD, THEN WHAT IS A

我們只看到一個白人女主角，那麼什麼是白人女主角呢？

UTOPIAN DEPICTION OF LOVE IN AMERICA?

UTOPIAN DEPICTION OF LOVE IN AMERICA?

AS ME, AS A BLACK PERSON, I'M LOOKING AT THAT SHOW AND SAYING,

作為我，作為一個黑人，我看著這個節目說，

"WHERE DO I FIT IN?

"我在哪裡適合？

WHERE I DO BELONG?" SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO COMMIT

我屬於哪裡？"所以，我想我們都必須承諾。

BOTH IN SHOWS LIKE "THE BACHELOR" AND "THE

都是在節目中，如 "The BACHELOR "和 "THE"。

BACHELORETTE," AND IN OUR SOCIETY OF MORE ACCURATELY

BACHELORETTE，"而在我們的社會中，更準確的。

REPRESENTING THE WHOLE, MORE ACCURATELY SERVING EVERYONE.

代表整體，更準確的為大家服務。

HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

你怎麼做的？

YOU DON'T JUST DO IT BY WHO YOUR LEAD CHARACTER IS, BUT WHO IS

你不只是通過你的主角是誰來做，而是通過誰來做。

CASTING?

CASTING？

WHO ARE YOUR PRODUCERS?

誰是你的生產者？

IS THERE DIVERSITY ACROSS EVERY BOARD, MY FRIEND.

是否有不同的董事會，我的朋友。

>> Stephen: OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE "AFTER THE ROSE" SHOW

>> 史蒂芬: 好的，讓我們來談談 "玫瑰之後 "的節目。

THAT YOU'RE HOSTING.

你主持的。

I KNOW YOU CAN'T TELL US WHO GOT PICKED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

我知道你不能告訴我們誰被選中了，或者其他類似的事情。

I'M NOT TRYING TO, LIKE, SQUEEZE THAT OUT OF YOU--

我不是想，喜歡， 榨出你的 -

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE.

>> 聽起來像你。

IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE.

聽起來你是。

>> Stephen: JUST GIVE ME A SCALE OF THE DRAMA.

>> 給我一個戲劇性的尺度。

ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, WHERE IS THE DRAMA ON THIS ONE?

在一到十的範圍內，這其中的戲劇性在哪裡？

>> I CAN FERVENTLY SAY THIS WILL BE THE MOST UNCOMFORTABLE

>> 我可以肯定地說，這將是最不舒服的。

CONVERSATION IN BACHELOR FRANCHISE HISTORY.

BACHELOR FRANCHISE HISTORY的對話。

WHY?

為什麼？

BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND --

因為你必須理解 --

>> Stephen: BECAUSE EMMANUEL ACHO IS WILLING TO HAVE THAT

>> 斯蒂芬：因為艾曼紐爾-阿喬願意擁有這一點。

UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION.

不舒服的談話。

>> LOOK, THOUGH, STEPHEN, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.

>> 聽著，斯蒂芬，你得明白，你得明白

YOU'RE NOW MIXING LOVE-- WHICH IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST

你們現在是在混合愛 -- 這是最強烈的愛之一。

EMOTIONS-- ALONG WITH RACIAL TENSION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE

情緒... 和種族緊張一起，這是其中之一。

MOST TOXIC AND VOLATILE TOPICS OF OUR CURRENT DAY.

當今社會最毒辣、最易發的話題。

LIKE, YOU'RE MIXING TWO INCREDIBLY STRONG AND VOLATILE

就像，你把兩個極強極強的東西混合在一起

SUBJECT MATTERS, AND WEAVING THEM TOGETHER IN ONE FINAL

主題事項，並將其編織成一個最後的主題事項。

HOUR-LONG EPISODE AFTER THE CULMINATION OF THE SHOW.

節目結束後的一小時長篇。

IT BREEDS DISCOMFORT, AND I'M SO THRILLED TO BE A PART OF IT.

它讓人感到不安，我很高興能成為其中的一員。

>> Stephen: I'LL WATCH.

>> 我會看的。

I'LL WATCH.

我會看的。

OKAY.

好的。

JUST AS A FAN, I'VE GOT TO KNOW, ARE YOU A BACHELOR GUY OR A

作為一個粉絲，我想知道，你是一個學士還是一個...

"BACHELORETTE" GUY?

"BACHELORETTE "的傢伙？

BECAUSE I-- "BACHELOR," QUALITY SHOW.

因為我... ... "BACHELOR"，優質節目。

"BACHELORETTE," I REALLY ENJOY, LIKE, THE 20, YOU KNOW,

"BACHELORETTE"，我真的很喜歡，像，20，你知道的。

GREASED-UP MEAT SLABS FLEXING ON EACH OTHER.

油膩的肉棒在彼此身上游走。

THAT'S WHAT I REALLY LIKE.

這就是我真正喜歡的。

THAT'S MY FAVORITE.

這是我的最愛。

I-- I'M HERE FOR IT.

我... ... 我在這裡為它。

>> I'M GOING TO SAY I'M A "BACHELORETTE" GUY BECAUSE I

>> 我要說我是一個 "BACHELORETTE "的傢伙，因為我。

LIKE SEEING THE MEN HAVE TO COMPETE AND SEEING ALL THEIR

喜歡看到男人們必須競爭，並看到所有的他們的

EGOS GET INVOLVED.

自尊心被捲入其中。

>> Stephen: SURE.

>> Stephen: SURE.

>> THEY GET SENSITIVE AND ALL THESE MACHO MEN GET THEIR HEARTS

>> 他們變得敏感起來，所有的這些機械人都得到了他們的心。

BROKEN AND WHATNOT.

破碎的什麼的。

I PREFER IT THAT WAY.

我更喜歡這種方式。

>> Stephen: NOW, YOU WOULD MAKE A GREAT BACHELOR ON "THE

>> 現在，你將成為 "THE "上的一名優秀的學士。

BACHELORETTE" COMPETING WITH THE OTHER GUYS.

"BACHELORETTE "與其他人競爭。

HAVE YOU-- HAVE YOU-- WOULD YOU DO THE SHOW?

你有沒有... 你有沒有... 你會不會做這個節目？

>> DUDE, TRUE STORY, TRUE STORY.

>> 紈絝子弟，真實的故事，真實的故事。

I'VE SAID IT BUT NEVER THIS PUBLICLY.

我已經說過了，但從來沒有這樣公開。

I WAS ASKED TO DO THE SHOW THREE TIMES NOW.

我被要求做節目三次了。

IN 2018, THEN LATER IN 2018 FOR WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HANNAH

在2018年，然後在2018年晚些時候，對於本該是漢娜的。

BROWN SEASON, AND THE BEGINNING OF 2020, I WAS AGAIN APPROACHED

棕季，以及2020年的開始，我又被人找上了。

ABOUT DOING THE SHOW.

關於做節目。

AND I TURNED IT DOWN ALL THREE TIMES.

我把它調低了三次。

AND LOOK -- >> Stephen: WHY!

看 -- >> 史蒂芬：為什麼！

YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN AN AUDIENCE FAVORITE!

你會成為觀眾的最愛!

>> I'D LIKE TO KEEP MY PUBLIC LIFE PUBLIC, AND MY PRIVATE LIFE

>> 我想把我的公共生活公開化，把我的私人生活私密化

PRIVATE.

私家的。

>> Stephen: ALL RIGHT, OKAY.

>> 史蒂芬：好吧，好吧。

SO ONE OTHER THING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL ME ABOUT IS YOU'RE

所以你還有一件事不會告訴我，那就是你是...

NOT GOING TO TELL ME WHO GOT PICKED.

不會告訴我誰被選中了。

AND I WON'T EVEN SAY...

我甚至不會說... ...

WHO YOU WOULD PICK BETWEEN THE TWO FINALISTS, WHICH ARE RACHEL

兩位決賽選手中，你會選誰，誰是RACHEL？

AND MICHELLE.

和MICHELLE。

BUT DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION?

但你有意見嗎？

DO YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN YOUR MIND IF YOU HAD TO PICK?

如果要你選，你心中有選擇嗎？

>> I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING, RIGHT, RACHEL IS CURRENTLY

>> 我的意思是，這很有趣，對吧，瑞秋現在是

DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS RACIALLY TENSE CONTROVERSY.

處理所有這些種族緊張的爭議。

SO THAT WOULD KIND OF, OBVIOUSLY, SKEW MY DECISION AS A

所以，這將有點，很明顯， 勾勒出我的決定作為一個。

BLACK MAN, IF I ALREADY KNEW ABOUT SAID CONTROVERSY.

黑衣人，如果我早知道有這樣的爭論，

BUT I THINK WHAT'S SO INTERESTING IS WATCHING BOTH OF

但我覺得最有趣的是看了這兩部片子之後

THE LOVE CONNECTIONS PLAY OUT.

愛的聯結髮揮出來。

I THINK MATT AND RACHEL HAVE AN INCREDIBLE CONNECTION, JUST

我認為MATT和RACHEL有一個不可思議的連接，只是。

INFECTION.

感染：

MATT ADMITTED HE WAS FALLING FOR RACHEL FIRST.

馬特承認他先愛上了瑞秋。

AND MICHELLE AND MATT THEY REALLY VIBE AND WE SAW IT AND

和米歇爾和馬特 他們真的很有活力，我們看到了它。

CONTINUE TO SEE IT OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON.

在本賽季的過程中，繼續看它。

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MICHELLE-- FOR MATT, RATHER.

我不能為米歇爾 -- 為馬特，而是。

BUT I'M EXCITED TO WATCH IT PLAY OUT.

但我很想看看它的表現。

>> Stephen: ME, TOO.

>> 史蒂芬：我，也是。

AND I'M ALSO EXCITING ABOUT YOUR NEW BOOK.

我也對你的新書感到興奮。

IT'S A-- IT'S A FOLLOW-UP TO "UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS

這是一個... ... 這是一個後續的 "不舒服的談話"。

WITH A BLACK MAN."

與一個黑人。"

AND IT'S "UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK BOY."

它是 "不舒服的對話 與一個黑人男孩。"

WHO IS THIS BOOK FOR?

這本書是給誰看的？

>> STEPHEN WHEN I WAS AN ADOLESCENT, I ALWAYS HEARD,

>> 當我還是一個成年人的時候，我總是聽到：

"EMMANUEL YOU'RE LIKE AN OREO-- WHITE ON THE INSIDE, BLACK ON

"艾曼紐爾，你就像一個奧利奧--白色的內部，黑色的在

THE OUTSIDE."

外面。"

I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW OFFENSIVE THAT WAS BECAUSE MY WHITE

我沒有意識到這是多麼令人反感，因為我的白人

FRIEND, WHEN I WAS YOUNG WERE SAYING, "EMMANUEL, YOU'RE TOO