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  • ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY,

    嘿,EVERYBODY。

  • WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW."

    歡迎回到 "深夜秀"。

  • HE IS THE NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING AUTHOR OF

    他是《紐約時報》的暢銷書作者。

  • "UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK MAN."

    "與一個黑人的不愉快的談話。"

  • ON MONDAY NIGHT, HE WILL BE HOSTING "THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE

    週一晚上,他將主持 "The BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE BACHELOR.

  • FINAL ROSE."

    最後的玫瑰。"

  • PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW," EMMANUEL ACHO!

    歡迎回到 "晚間秀",艾曼紐爾-阿喬!

  • EMMANUEL, GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

    艾曼紐爾,很高興再次見到你。

  • >> MY BROTHER, SO GOOD TO SEE YOU, MY FRIEND.

    >> 我的兄弟,很高興見到你,我的朋友。

  • SO GOOD TO SEE YOU.

    很高興見到你。

  • >> Stephen: YOU'RE ONE OF THE FEW GUESTS WE HAVE ACTUALLY HAD

    >> 你是我們實際接待過的少數客人之一。

  • TWICE IN COVID.

    兩次在COVID。

  • THIS IS HOW LONG IT'S BEEN GOING ON.

    這是多長時間,它已經持續了。

  • THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT

    上次你來的時候,我們還在談論... ...

  • "UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK MAN" AND

    "與一名黑人男子的談話令人不舒服",以及

  • UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS IN GENERAL.

    一般性的不舒服的談話。

  • AND WHILE TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMIC RACISM AS A WHITE MAN CAN BE

    而當作為一個白人談論系統性的種族主義時,可以是

  • UNCOMFORTABLE, I DON'T MEAN TO DISAPPOINT YOU, BUT YOU'RE

    不舒服,我不是想讓你失望,但你是。

  • ACTUALLY VERY COMFORTABLE TO TALK TO.

    實際上,非常舒適的交談。

  • I HOPE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A FAILURE TO YOU.

    我希望這對你來說不是失敗

  • >> OH, IT'S A CATCH-22.

    >> 哦,這是一個陷阱。

  • I LURE YOU IN BY SAYING IT WILL BE UNCOMFORTABLE, BUT ONCE

    我說會讓你不舒服,但一旦你不舒服,我就會引誘你

  • YOU'RE HERE, STEPHEN, IT'S ALL COMFORT, MY FRIEND.

    你在這裡,史蒂芬,這是對你的安慰,我的朋友。

  • >> Stephen: THIS SUMMER, YOU LAUNCHED A WEB SERIES TO TALK

    >> 史蒂芬:今年夏天,你推出了一個網絡系列節目,講述了你的故事。

  • ABOUT RACE IN AMERICA.

    關於美國的種族。

  • AT THAT POINT, WHEN WE WERE TALKING THIS SUMMER, DID YOU, IN

    在那個時候,當我們今年夏天談話的時候,你有沒有,在... ...

  • YOUR WILDEST DREAMS, THINK YOU WOULD BE HOSTING "THE BACHELOR"

    你的夢想,認為你會主持 "教師"。

  • THE NEXT TIME WE TALKED?

    下一次我們談話的時候?

  • >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

    >> 絕對不是。

  • THAT IS THE CRAZIEST OF STORIES THAT "UNCOMFORTABLE

    那是最瘋狂的故事,"不舒服"。

  • CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK MAN" A BOOK ABOUT RACIAL

    與黑人的對話》一本關於種族問題的書。

  • RECONCILIATION WILL LEAD YOU-- LEAD ME-- TO NOW HOSTING THE

    重組將引導你... 引導我... ...到現在舉辦的 "中國夢"。

  • MOST-UNCOMFORTABLE EPISODE OF ONE OF THE MOST-WATCHED SHOWS IN

    最不舒服的劇集之一的最受歡迎的節目在

  • OUR RECENT HISTORY.

    我們最近的歷史。

  • MIND BLOWING.

    震撼人心。

  • >> Stephen: IT IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE.

    >> 斯蒂芬:這是絕對不可思議的。

  • LET'S GET TO THAT.

    讓我們來談談這個。

  • "THE BACHELOR" IS ALWAYS FULL OF DRAMA, OBVIOUSLY.

    "The BACHELOR "總是充滿了戲劇性,很明顯。

  • BUT THIS SEASON WAS PARTICULARLY DRAMATIC.

    但這一季特別有戲劇性。

  • THERE WAS CONTROVERSY OFF SCREEN.

    在螢幕外有爭議。

  • FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED, AND

    對於那些不知道的人,你能不能解釋一下發生了什麼事,以及。

  • WHY PEOPLE WERE SO UPSET?

    為什麼人們會如此不安?

  • >> TWO-FOLD.

    >> 雙重。

  • FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS SEASON WAS THE FIRST BLACK BACHELOR,

    第一和最重要的是,這一季是第一個黑人學士。

  • MATT JAMES.

    MATT JAMES:

  • THAT'S NO SMALL FEAT.

    這是一個不小的功能。

  • 20 SEASONS AND WE NOW HAVE OUR FIRST BLACK BACHELOR-- OVER 20

    20個賽季,我們現在有了我們的第一個黑人學士--超過20個

  • SEASONS, IN FACT.

    事實上,季節。

  • BUT ALSO, ONE OF HIS FINAL THREE FRONT-RUNNERS, RACHEL, SHE WAS

    但同時,他的最後三個前鋒之一,RACHEL,她是

  • PICTURED AT AN ANTEBELLUM-STYLE PLANTATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA IN

    在社交媒體上拍攝的安特貝勒風格的種植園。

  • 2018.

    2018.

  • AND THOSE PICTURES RESURFACED.

    和這些圖片重新梳理。

  • SHE IS A WHITE WOMAN, OBVIOUSLY, AND SO YOU HAVE MATT JAMES, A

    她是一個白人女性,很明顯,所以你有馬特-詹姆斯,一個。

  • BLACK MAN, ONE OF HIS FINAL FRONT-RUNNERS, RACHEL, HAS THESE

    黑衣人,他的最後一位前鋒,RACHEL,有這些

  • PICTURES SURFACE, THESE RACIALLY INSENSITIVE PICTURES.

    圖片表面,這些種族不敏感的圖片。

  • IMAGINE HOW CONVOLUTED AND VOLATILE THIS TOPIC IS BECAUSE

    想象一下,這個話題是多麼的矛盾和動盪,是因為

  • YOU'RE DEALING WITH LOVE AND YOU'RE ALSO DEALING WITH RACE

    你在處理愛情,你也在處理種族問題

  • AND RACIAL INSENSITIVITY.

    和種族麻木不仁。

  • >> Stephen: OKAY, AND THIS IS-- AND I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT

    >> 好吧,這是 -- 我相信,如果我不是。

  • MISTAKEN, THESE ARE LIKE A-- QUOTE, UNQUOTE-- OLD SOUTH DAYS.

    錯誤的,這些都是像一個... ... 引用,UNQUOTE -- 舊南方的日子。

  • IT'S PEOPLE IN HOOP SKIRTS.

    它的人在箍裙。

  • IT'S ACTUALLY RCREATING THE LOOK, IF NOT THE ENVIRONMENT

    它實際上是在創造外觀,而不是環境。

  • OF-- OF AN OLD SOUTH PLANTATION.

    一個老的南方種植園的。

  • >> CORRECT.

    >> 正確。

  • ANTEBELLUM SOUTH PLANTATION IS THE PROPER TERM.

    ANTEBELLUM SOUTH PLANTATION is the PROPER TERM。

  • FOR THOSE AT HOME WONDERING, REMEMBER ANTEBELLUM IN LATIN

    對於那些在家裡疑惑的人,請記住拉丁語的ANTEBELLUM。

  • MEANS "BEFORE THE WAR," THE WAR IN QUESTION, THE CIVIL WAR THAT

    是指 "戰前",即問題中的戰爭,是指

  • FREED THE SLAVES.

    解放了奴隸。

  • SHE IS PICTURED IN ATTIRE CELEBRATING, IF YOU WILL, BACK

    她的照片是在服裝慶祝,如果你願意,回

  • IN 2018, FOR WHICH SHE HAS SINCE APOLOGIZED, BUT SHE IS PICTURED

    在2018年,她已經為之道歉,但她卻被拍成了照片。

  • IN ATTIRE OF OLD SOUTH ANTEBELLUM PLANTATION, A

    在老南安特貝魯姆種植園,A

  • CELEBRATION, IF YOU.

    慶祝活動,如果你。

  • THAT'S AT LEAST HOW IT LOOKS.

    至少看起來是這樣的。

  • >> Stephen: AND, YOU KNOW, A CELEBRATION AND, ALSO, AT THE

    >> 史蒂芬: 而且,你知道,一個慶祝活動,而且,在這個活動中。

  • VERY LEAST, A WILLFUL IGNORANCE ABOUT THE TRAGEDY ASSOCIATED

    最起碼,對相關的悲劇故意視而不見。

  • WITH THAT ENTIRE CULTURE.

    與那整個文化。

  • OKAY, SO, THERE'S THE ORIGINAL SCANDAL, OR THERE'S THE ORIGINAL

    好吧,所以,這就是最初的醜聞,還是有最初的醜聞。

  • PROBLEM.

    問題:

  • NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT CHRIS HARRISON.

    現在讓我們來談談克里斯・哈里森。

  • HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT?

    怎麼會這樣?

  • FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW THAT STORY, WHAT HAPPENED THERE

    對於不知道這個故事的人來說,那裡發生了什麼?

  • THAT HAS NOW PUT YOU IN THE HOSTING POSITION?

    這就把你推上了主持的位置?

  • >> YEAH, SO CHRIS HARRISON, WHO HAS BEEN THE HOST FOR 20 YEARS

    >> 是啊,所以克里斯-哈里森,誰是20年的主持人。

  • AND HAS RECENTLY STEPPED ASIDE DURING THIS MOMENT, HE TRIED TO

    最近,在這一時刻,他試圖靠邊站。

  • GO TO THE DEFENSE OF RACHEL IN AN INTERVIEW WITH RACHEL

    採訪瑞秋時,去為瑞秋辯護。

  • LINDSEY, AND CHRIS HARRISON, HE WAS-- AS HE WOULD ADMIT-- WAS

    林賽和克里斯-哈里森,他是... ... 他承認...

  • IGNORANT AND WAS ARROGANT IN SAYING THAT, WELL, IN 2018, WHAT

    無知,而且還很無禮的說,好吧,在2018年,什麼。

  • RACHEL DID WASN'T THAT BAD."

    RACHEL做的並沒有那麼糟糕。"

  • CHRIS HARRISON'S WORDS, NOT NECESSARILY MY OWN.

    CHRIS HARRISON的話,不一定是我的。

  • AND "WE'VE ALL KIND OF ACKNOWLEDGED AND CALLED TO THE

    和 "我們已經所有類型的承認,並呼籲對。

  • ATTENTION."

    注意。"

  • NO, NO, NO, IN 2018, IT WAS JUST AS BAD.

    不,不,不,在2018年,它是一樣的壞。

  • WE ARE MORE AWARE NOW, BUT 2018, ACKNOWLEDGING AND DRESSING IN

    我們現在更有意識了,但2018年,認識到並穿上衣服。

  • THE ATTIRE OF AN ANTEBELLUM SOUTH PLANTATION IS JUST AS BAD

    南方植物園的態度也同樣糟糕。

  • AS IT IS RIGHT NOW TODAY.

    因為它是現在的今天。

  • >> Stephen: I THINK THAT IS SAFE TO SAY, THOSE ARE HIS WORDS

    >> Stephen: 我想可以說,這些都是他說的。

  • NOT YOURS.

    不是你的。

  • >> VERY SAFE TO SAY.

    >> 很安全的說。

  • >> Stephen: HERE WE ARE.

    >> 我們在這裡。

  • SO HE STEPS ASIDE TEMPORARILY FROM THOSE DUTIES.

    所以他暫時退出了這些工作。

  • DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT WHETHER HE SHOULD BE DISMISSED

    你對他是否應該被開除有什麼看法?

  • FOR GOOD FOR THIS?

    為了好的這個?

  • OR IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION AND REDEMPTION FOR

    還是說這是一個教育和補償的機會?

  • SOMEONE?

    有人嗎?

  • >> YEAH, I DON'T BELIEVE IN CANCEL CULTURE.

    >> 是的,我不相信取消文化。

  • I DO BELIEVE IN ACCOUNTABILITY.

    我相信問責制。

  • AND SO, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW, HE IS TAKING ACCOUNTABILITY FOR

    所以,我認為,現在,他正在承擔責任,為

  • HIS ACTIONS.

    他的行動:

  • FOR EVERY ACTION THERE'S AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.

    每一個動作都有一個相等和相反的反應。

  • THAT CAN BE A LAW OF NEWTON OR BASIC COMMON SENSE.

    這可以是紐頓法則或基本常識。

  • HE HAD AN ACTION AND IS CURRENTLY DEALING WITH THE

    他採取了一項行動,目前正在處理。

  • REACTION FROM THAT.

    從中反應。

  • SHOULD HE RETURN TO THAT ROLE?

    他應該回到那個角色嗎?

  • YOU HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF CHRIS HARRISON?

    你要決定什麼是克里斯-哈里森的最大利益?

  • WHAT'S IN THE BEST OF THE SHOW AND THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS.

    什麼是在最好的節目和執行製片人。

  • BUT, ALSO, WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CAST?

    但是,還有,什麼是在最好的利益的演員?

  • YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO COMMIT TO DIVERSITY.

    你知道,他們正試圖致力於多元化。

  • YOU HAD YOUR FIRST BLACK BACHELOR.

    你有你的第一個黑人學士。

  • WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL THREE OF THOSE PRIMARY

    什麼是最有利於這三個主要的利益

  • PARTIES AT PLAY AND MAKE THE DECISION THAT SERVES THE MOST

    在遊戲中的各方,並做出最適合的決定。

  • GOOD.

    好的。

  • >> Stephen: AS YOU SAID, IT WAS AFTER 20 SEASONS-- 23

    >> 正如你所說的,這是在20個賽季之後,23個賽季。

  • SEASONS, SOMETHING LIKE, THAT BEFORE YOU HAD THE FIRST BLACK

    季節,類似於,在你有第一個黑衣人之前。

  • BACHELOR, AND WHEN YOU HAD THE FIRST BACHELORETTE.

    當你有了第一個BACHELORETTE,

  • DO YOU THINK THESE SHOWS SHOULD MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT REALITY

    你認為這些節目是否能更準確地反映現實?

  • IN AMERICA?

    在美國?

  • YOU KNOW, THE REALITY THAT WE ALL LIVE OF-- OF A DIVERSE

    你知道嗎,我們都生活在一個不同的現實中

  • CULTURE OF 20 DRUNK WOMEN LIVING IN ONE HOUSE TRYING TO GET ONE

    20個醉酒的女人住在一棟房子裡,試圖得到一個文化。

  • GUY TO MARRY THEM-- YOU KNOW, THE REALITY OF AMERICA

    你知道,美國的真實情況。

  • ( LAUGHS ) >> OH, YOU ARE A FOOL, MY

    (笑) >> 哦,你是個傻瓜,我的。

  • FRIEND.

    朋友。

  • >> Stephen: I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT.

    >> 史蒂芬:我把它當作一種鼓勵。

  • BUT-- YOU KNOW, IT IS-- BECAUSE THE REASON I ASK IS THAT

    但是... ... 你知道,這是... ... 因為我問的原因是,

  • DIVERSITY IS A WONDERFUL THING.

    多樣性是一種奇妙的東西。

  • ARE THESE SHOWS ESSENTIALLY FANTASY TO BEGIN WITH?

    這些節目是否一定要從夢幻開始?

  • ARE WE PUTTING TOO MUCH WEIGHT ON A REALITY SHOW?

    我們是否把太多的重量放在真人秀上?

  • >> SO, HERE IS THE ISSUE AT HAND.

    >> 所以,這裡是眼前的問題。

  • THIS SHOW, "THE BACHELOR" AND "THE BACHELORETTE," THEY ARE

    這個節目,"The BACHELOR "和 "The BACHELORETTE",他們是:

  • SUPPOSED TO BE THE UTOPIAN RELATIONSHIP IN AMERICA.

    應該是美國的烏托邦關係。

  • BUT IF FOR 20 SEASONS ALL WE SEE IS A WHITE MALE LEAD, IF FOR 13

    但如果20季以來,我們只看到一個白人男性上司,如果13季以來,我們只看到一個白人男性上司。

  • SEASONS ALL WE SEE IS A WHITE FEMALE LEAD, THEN WHAT IS A

    我們只看到一個白人女主角,那麼什麼是白人女主角呢?

  • UTOPIAN DEPICTION OF LOVE IN AMERICA?

    UTOPIAN DEPICTION OF LOVE IN AMERICA?

  • AS ME, AS A BLACK PERSON, I'M LOOKING AT THAT SHOW AND SAYING,

    作為我,作為一個黑人,我看著這個節目說,

  • "WHERE DO I FIT IN?

    "我在哪裡適合?

  • WHERE I DO BELONG?" SO I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO COMMIT

    我屬於哪裡?"所以,我想我們都必須承諾。

  • BOTH IN SHOWS LIKE "THE BACHELOR" AND "THE

    都是在節目中,如 "The BACHELOR "和 "THE"。

  • BACHELORETTE," AND IN OUR SOCIETY OF MORE ACCURATELY

    BACHELORETTE,"而在我們的社會中,更準確的。

  • REPRESENTING THE WHOLE, MORE ACCURATELY SERVING EVERYONE.

    代表整體,更準確的為大家服務。

  • HOW DO YOU DO THAT?

    你怎麼做的?

  • YOU DON'T JUST DO IT BY WHO YOUR LEAD CHARACTER IS, BUT WHO IS

    你不只是通過你的主角是誰來做,而是通過誰來做。

  • CASTING?

    CASTING?

  • WHO ARE YOUR PRODUCERS?

    誰是你的生產者?

  • IS THERE DIVERSITY ACROSS EVERY BOARD, MY FRIEND.

    是否有不同的董事會,我的朋友。

  • >> Stephen: OKAY, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE "AFTER THE ROSE" SHOW

    >> 史蒂芬: 好的,讓我們來談談 "玫瑰之後 "的節目。

  • THAT YOU'RE HOSTING.

    你主持的。

  • I KNOW YOU CAN'T TELL US WHO GOT PICKED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

    我知道你不能告訴我們誰被選中了,或者其他類似的事情。

  • I'M NOT TRYING TO, LIKE, SQUEEZE THAT OUT OF YOU--

    我不是想,喜歡, 榨出你的 -

  • >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE.

    >> 聽起來像你。

  • IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE.

    聽起來你是。

  • >> Stephen: JUST GIVE ME A SCALE OF THE DRAMA.

    >> 給我一個戲劇性的尺度。

  • ON A SCALE OF ONE TO 10, WHERE IS THE DRAMA ON THIS ONE?

    在一到十的範圍內,這其中的戲劇性在哪裡?

  • >> I CAN FERVENTLY SAY THIS WILL BE THE MOST UNCOMFORTABLE

    >> 我可以肯定地說,這將是最不舒服的。

  • CONVERSATION IN BACHELOR FRANCHISE HISTORY.

    BACHELOR FRANCHISE HISTORY的對話。

  • WHY?

    為什麼?

  • BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND --

    因為你必須理解 --

  • >> Stephen: BECAUSE EMMANUEL ACHO IS WILLING TO HAVE THAT

    >> 斯蒂芬:因為艾曼紐爾-阿喬願意擁有這一點。

  • UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATION.

    不舒服的談話。

  • >> LOOK, THOUGH, STEPHEN, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.

    >> 聽著,斯蒂芬,你得明白,你得明白

  • YOU'RE NOW MIXING LOVE-- WHICH IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST

    你們現在是在混合愛 -- 這是最強烈的愛之一。

  • EMOTIONS-- ALONG WITH RACIAL TENSION, WHICH IS ONE OF THE

    情緒... 和種族緊張一起,這是其中之一。

  • MOST TOXIC AND VOLATILE TOPICS OF OUR CURRENT DAY.

    當今社會最毒辣、最易發的話題。

  • LIKE, YOU'RE MIXING TWO INCREDIBLY STRONG AND VOLATILE

    就像,你把兩個極強極強的東西混合在一起

  • SUBJECT MATTERS, AND WEAVING THEM TOGETHER IN ONE FINAL

    主題事項,並將其編織成一個最後的主題事項。

  • HOUR-LONG EPISODE AFTER THE CULMINATION OF THE SHOW.

    節目結束後的一小時長篇。

  • IT BREEDS DISCOMFORT, AND I'M SO THRILLED TO BE A PART OF IT.

    它讓人感到不安,我很高興能成為其中的一員。

  • >> Stephen: I'LL WATCH.

    >> 我會看的。

  • I'LL WATCH.

    我會看的。

  • OKAY.

    好的。

  • JUST AS A FAN, I'VE GOT TO KNOW, ARE YOU A BACHELOR GUY OR A

    作為一個粉絲,我想知道,你是一個學士還是一個...

  • "BACHELORETTE" GUY?

    "BACHELORETTE "的傢伙?

  • BECAUSE I-- "BACHELOR," QUALITY SHOW.

    因為我... ... "BACHELOR",優質節目。

  • "BACHELORETTE," I REALLY ENJOY, LIKE, THE 20, YOU KNOW,

    "BACHELORETTE",我真的很喜歡,像,20,你知道的。

  • GREASED-UP MEAT SLABS FLEXING ON EACH OTHER.

    油膩的肉棒在彼此身上游走。

  • THAT'S WHAT I REALLY LIKE.

    這就是我真正喜歡的。

  • THAT'S MY FAVORITE.

    這是我的最愛。

  • I-- I'M HERE FOR IT.

    我... ... 我在這裡為它。

  • >> I'M GOING TO SAY I'M A "BACHELORETTE" GUY BECAUSE I

    >> 我要說我是一個 "BACHELORETTE "的傢伙,因為我。

  • LIKE SEEING THE MEN HAVE TO COMPETE AND SEEING ALL THEIR

    喜歡看到男人們必須競爭,並看到所有的他們的

  • EGOS GET INVOLVED.

    自尊心被捲入其中。

  • >> Stephen: SURE.

    >> Stephen: SURE.

  • >> THEY GET SENSITIVE AND ALL THESE MACHO MEN GET THEIR HEARTS

    >> 他們變得敏感起來,所有的這些機械人都得到了他們的心。

  • BROKEN AND WHATNOT.

    破碎的什麼的。

  • I PREFER IT THAT WAY.

    我更喜歡這種方式。

  • >> Stephen: NOW, YOU WOULD MAKE A GREAT BACHELOR ON "THE

    >> 現在,你將成為 "THE "上的一名優秀的學士。

  • BACHELORETTE" COMPETING WITH THE OTHER GUYS.

    "BACHELORETTE "與其他人競爭。

  • HAVE YOU-- HAVE YOU-- WOULD YOU DO THE SHOW?

    你有沒有... 你有沒有... 你會不會做這個節目?

  • >> DUDE, TRUE STORY, TRUE STORY.

    >> 紈絝子弟,真實的故事,真實的故事。

  • I'VE SAID IT BUT NEVER THIS PUBLICLY.

    我已經說過了,但從來沒有這樣公開。

  • I WAS ASKED TO DO THE SHOW THREE TIMES NOW.

    我被要求做節目三次了。

  • IN 2018, THEN LATER IN 2018 FOR WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HANNAH

    在2018年,然後在2018年晚些時候,對於本該是漢娜的。

  • BROWN SEASON, AND THE BEGINNING OF 2020, I WAS AGAIN APPROACHED

    棕季,以及2020年的開始,我又被人找上了。

  • ABOUT DOING THE SHOW.

    關於做節目。

  • AND I TURNED IT DOWN ALL THREE TIMES.

    我把它調低了三次。

  • AND LOOK -- >> Stephen: WHY!

    看 -- >> 史蒂芬:為什麼!

  • YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN AN AUDIENCE FAVORITE!

    你會成為觀眾的最愛!

  • >> I'D LIKE TO KEEP MY PUBLIC LIFE PUBLIC, AND MY PRIVATE LIFE

    >> 我想把我的公共生活公開化,把我的私人生活私密化

  • PRIVATE.

    私家的。

  • >> Stephen: ALL RIGHT, OKAY.

    >> 史蒂芬:好吧,好吧。

  • SO ONE OTHER THING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO TELL ME ABOUT IS YOU'RE

    所以你還有一件事不會告訴我,那就是你是...

  • NOT GOING TO TELL ME WHO GOT PICKED.

    不會告訴我誰被選中了。

  • AND I WON'T EVEN SAY...

    我甚至不會說... ...

  • WHO YOU WOULD PICK BETWEEN THE TWO FINALISTS, WHICH ARE RACHEL

    兩位決賽選手中,你會選誰,誰是RACHEL?

  • AND MICHELLE.

    和MICHELLE。

  • BUT DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION?

    但你有意見嗎?

  • DO YOU HAVE A CHOICE IN YOUR MIND IF YOU HAD TO PICK?

    如果要你選,你心中有選擇嗎?

  • >> I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING, RIGHT, RACHEL IS CURRENTLY

    >> 我的意思是,這很有趣,對吧,瑞秋現在是

  • DEALING WITH ALL OF THIS RACIALLY TENSE CONTROVERSY.

    處理所有這些種族緊張的爭議。

  • SO THAT WOULD KIND OF, OBVIOUSLY, SKEW MY DECISION AS A

    所以,這將有點,很明顯, 勾勒出我的決定作為一個。

  • BLACK MAN, IF I ALREADY KNEW ABOUT SAID CONTROVERSY.

    黑衣人,如果我早知道有這樣的爭論,

  • BUT I THINK WHAT'S SO INTERESTING IS WATCHING BOTH OF

    但我覺得最有趣的是看了這兩部片子之後

  • THE LOVE CONNECTIONS PLAY OUT.

    愛的聯結髮揮出來。

  • I THINK MATT AND RACHEL HAVE AN INCREDIBLE CONNECTION, JUST

    我認為MATT和RACHEL有一個不可思議的連接,只是。

  • INFECTION.

    感染:

  • MATT ADMITTED HE WAS FALLING FOR RACHEL FIRST.

    馬特承認他先愛上了瑞秋。

  • AND MICHELLE AND MATT THEY REALLY VIBE AND WE SAW IT AND

    和米歇爾和馬特 他們真的很有活力,我們看到了它。

  • CONTINUE TO SEE IT OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON.

    在本賽季的過程中,繼續看它。

  • I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MICHELLE-- FOR MATT, RATHER.

    我不能為米歇爾 -- 為馬特,而是。

  • BUT I'M EXCITED TO WATCH IT PLAY OUT.

    但我很想看看它的表現。

  • >> Stephen: ME, TOO.

    >> 史蒂芬:我,也是。

  • AND I'M ALSO EXCITING ABOUT YOUR NEW BOOK.

    我也對你的新書感到興奮。

  • IT'S A-- IT'S A FOLLOW-UP TO "UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS

    這是一個... ... 這是一個後續的 "不舒服的談話"。

  • WITH A BLACK MAN."

    與一個黑人。"

  • AND IT'S "UNCOMFORTABLE CONVERSATIONS WITH A BLACK BOY."

    它是 "不舒服的對話 與一個黑人男孩。"

  • WHO IS THIS BOOK FOR?

    這本書是給誰看的?

  • >> STEPHEN WHEN I WAS AN ADOLESCENT, I ALWAYS HEARD,

    >> 當我還是一個成年人的時候,我總是聽到:

  • "EMMANUEL YOU'RE LIKE AN OREO-- WHITE ON THE INSIDE, BLACK ON

    "艾曼紐爾,你就像一個奧利奧--白色的內部,黑色的在

  • THE OUTSIDE."

    外面。"

  • I DIDN'T REALIZE HOW OFFENSIVE THAT WAS BECAUSE MY WHITE

    我沒有意識到這是多麼令人反感,因為我的白人

  • FRIEND, WHEN I WAS YOUNG WERE SAYING, "EMMANUEL, YOU'RE TOO

    朋友,當我年輕的時候,我說,"埃曼紐爾,你太。

  • SMART TO BE BLACK."

    聰明的黑人。"

  • OR "YOU DRESS TOO WELL TO BE BLACK."

    或 "你穿得太好,是黑色的。"

  • SM I HAD AN IDENTITY COMPLEX.

    我有一個身份複雜。

  • SO THIS BOOK IS FOR OUR YOUNG ADULTS.

    所以這本書是給我們的年輕人的。

  • THINK AGES 12-16, 10-14, BECAUSE IF WE CAN FIX THE NEXT

    想想12-16歲,10-14歲,因為如果我們能解決下一個問題。

  • GENERATION OF IGNORANCE, IF WE CAN FIX THE NEXT GENERATION OF

    如果我們能解決下一個世代的問題,就會有 "無知的世代"。

  • INSENSITIVITY, THEN WE CAN CURE THE PROBLEM AT THE ROOT.

    不敏感,那麼我們就能從根本上解決這個問題。

  • DON'T TRY TO CORRECT THE LEAVES.

    不要試圖糾正的葉子。

  • DON'T TRY TO CUT DOWN THE BRANCHES.

    不要試圖砍掉樹枝。

  • FIX THE ROOTS OF OUR RACIAL IGNORANCE OF OUR SOCIETY AND

    解決我們對社會的種族漠視的根源,以及

  • THEN WATCH WHAT SPROWTS FROM THERE.

    然後看看會有什麼東西從這裡生髮出來。

  • >> Stephen: EMMANUEL, THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

    >> 史蒂芬:埃曼紐爾,非常感謝你來這裡。

  • >> Jon: MY PLEASURE, MY FRIEND.

    >> 喬恩我的榮幸,我的朋友。

  • >> Stephen: "THE BACHELOR: AFTER THE FINAL ROSE" AIRS ON

    >> 史蒂芬: "The BACHELOR: AFTER THE FINAL ROSE" AIRS ON.

  • THIS MONDAY NIGHT ON ABC.

    本週一晚上在ABC電視臺。

  • EMMANUEL ACHO, EVERYBODY!

    埃曼紐爾-阿喬,每個人!

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH COMEDIAN GINA YASHERE.

    我們馬上回來與喜劇演員吉娜-亞什爾。

  • ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

    ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY,

嘿,EVERYBODY。

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