I think it's a fair question, you know, but the Knicks weren't good, and the Nets did a wonderful job of setting up and their facilities and all the money they put in.

我認為這是一個公平的問題，你知道，但尼克斯隊並不好，而籃網隊的設置和他們的設施以及他們投入的所有資金都做得很好。

They've done a great job there.

他們在那裡做得很好。

So but then, the Knicks have always been this this mythical mecca, right?

所以，但是，尼克斯隊一直都是這個這個神話般的聖地吧？

So it makes some sense to me that in the right situation, the right player would want to go there.

所以在我看來，在合適的情況下，合適的球員想去那裡是有一定道理的。

Uh, and you're right, kids.

呃，你是對的，孩子們。

Kids has got them the best of the best defense in the league.

孩子們讓他們得到了聯盟中最好的防守。

Opponents.

對手：

Three point percentage.

三點比例。

The best opponents.

最好的對手。

Field goal percentage, the best.

場均得分率，最好。

But they don't have a lot of scoring, you know, they still struggle to score a little bit.

但他們的得分並不多，你知道，他們還是很難得分的。

So if you if you're a big time player, wants to put on big time numbers in a big time city, I can see that happening.

所以，如果你如果你是一個大牌球員，想在一個大牌城市打出大牌，我可以看到這種情況。

I'm glad he said two years because I don't think it's going to happen intimately.

我很高興他說了兩年，因為我認為這不會發生親密的關係。

Yeah, I mean, who, right now everything is so crazy and up for grabs.

是啊，我的意思是，誰，現在一切都那麼瘋狂，爭奪。

But I am interested in what you just said.

但我對你剛才說的話很感興趣。

You just said.

你剛才說的。

You think the Nets are the favorite to win the championship quickly?

你認為網隊是快速奪冠的熱門？

If you look out West, you know the top two teams in the West right now, our Phoenix in Utah, the Lakers are banged up beyond belief.

如果你看看西部，你就知道現在西部前兩名的球隊，我們猶他州的鳳凰城，湖人隊被打得很慘。

LeBron is not going to play tonight, the first game he'll miss this year going into this All Star break.

勒布朗今晚不會出場，這是他今年進入全明星賽的第一場比賽。

But I had Jalen on TV this morning and he said greeny.

但我今天早上在電視上看到賈倫，他說綠了。

If the Lakers get healthy, no one even takes them to six games in the playoffs.

如果湖人隊健康起來，甚至沒有人把他們帶到季後賽的六場比賽。

Do you see it that way?

你是這樣看的嗎？

So I love Jalen Rose and he knows a lot more about basketball than I do, that's for sure.

所以我喜歡杰倫-羅斯，他比我更瞭解籃球，這是肯定的。

But I disagree.

但我不同意。

And, you know, in talking over the last week to two weeks with people associated with the Nets and people who are observing the Nets.

而且，你知道，在過去一週到兩週的談話中，與網隊相關的人和正在觀察網隊的人。

And the big thing here is, I don't think any of us expected James Harden to do what he's done.

而最大的問題是，我想我們誰也沒有想到詹姆斯-哈登會做出這樣的事情。

And by that I mean fit in so seamlessly be so willing to toe the line.

我的意思是說，如此天衣無縫地融入其中... ...如此甘心地守株待兔。

He's from what I understand.

據我所知，他是。

He is like locked in lockstep with all the conditioning guys there he is committed.

他就像鎖定了那裡所有的調教人員一樣，他很投入。

He doesn't care about numbers, and by doing so, I think he's made them the most dangerous team in basketball now the defense.

他不在乎數據，我認為他這樣做，讓他們成為了現在籃球界最危險的球隊，防守。

I know that their defensive ratings and their defensive shortcomings are there.

我知道他們的防守等級和防守短板都在那裡。

But defense to me is so much about effort, and I think their talent enough.

但防守對我來說是如此的努力，我認為他們的天賦足夠。

And we've seen it when they've been engaged greenie in games at the end of games, when they're engaged and they're locked in defensively, they're pretty hard to.

而且我們已經看到了，當他們在比賽中參與綠茵場的時候，在比賽結束的時候，當他們參與進來，並且他們在防守上被鎖定的時候，他們是非常困難的。

They're pretty hard to score against.

他們是相當困難的得分對手。

So if they get everybody healthy and that would be the if and maybe that's what's stopping jail.

所以，如果他們讓每個人都健康起來，那將是如果，也許這才是停止坐牢的原因。

And I don't really know if you get all three of those guys in particular healthy, I think they win.

而且我不知道如果你把這三個人都弄得特別健康，我想他們會贏。

Yeah, I mean, I tend to agree with you.

是的，我的意思是，我傾向於同意你的觀點。

Hambo just put a number up here.

漢博剛剛在這裡放了一個號碼

Vegas actually still favors the Lakers.

拉斯維加斯其實還是偏向於湖人的。

We'll see what all winds up green and Jackie.

我們將看到所有的綠色和成龍的結局。

Yeah, healthy.

是的，健康。

Yeah.

是啊。

Green and Jackie Mac on the Goodyear hotline helping you discover the road ahead.

格林和成龍在好年華熱線幫你發現未來的路。

Goodyear more driven.

固特異更有動力。

Now let me get to what I really wanted to talk to you about today.

現在讓我說說我今天真正想跟你說的事情。

So yesterday we did a whole big thing on Wilt Chamberlain because it was the 15 59th anniversary of the day.

所以昨天我們對威爾特-張伯倫做了一個整體的大事情，因為這是15 59週年的日子。

He scored 100 points in the game, and I Hambo, uh, sent me a whole bunch of numbers on him.

他在比賽中得了100分，我漢博，呃，給我發了一大堆他的數據。

Now I've known them all of my life.

現在我已經認識他們一輩子了。

I'm well aware that Wilt Chamberlain should have his own record book.

我很清楚，威爾特-張伯倫應該有自己的記錄本。

Um, but I hadn't looked them over in some time.

嗯，但我還沒有看過他們在一段時間。

And it has become very fashionable now to list the best players of all time, list them in some sort of form, maybe a Mount Rushmore form and all the rest of that.

而現在，列出有史以來最好的球員，以某種形式列出他們，也許是拉什莫爾山的形式，以及其他所有的形式，已經成為非常時髦的事情。

And as I was going through all of these numbers, I found myself thinking well, Chamberlain's accomplishments, his numbers, his statistics so dwarf those of anyone who has ever played the game, that it made me question myself and why I don't put him.

而當我在翻看這些數據的時候，我發現自己想的很好，張伯倫的成就，他的數據，他的統計數字讓所有打過比賽的人都相形見絀，這讓我不得不質疑自己，為什麼不把他放進去。

I'm, for example, like the all time Mount Rushmore of all time great players.

比如我，就像所有偉大球員的歷史山。

And so I wanted to talk to someone like you with the great historical perspective about the way you believe Chamberlain should be viewed when we put together our list of the absolute smallest list of the greatest players of all time.

所以我想和你這樣一個具有偉大歷史眼光的人談談，當我們整理出史上最偉大球員的絕對最小名單時，你認為應該如何看待張伯倫。

Well, it's funny.

嗯，這很有趣。

It's funny you ask about this because I was just talking to someone this about the other day you mentioned Wilt's 100 point game.

你問這個很有意思，因為我剛剛和別人說起前幾天你提到了威爾特的100分比賽。

Do you realize there were no journalists at that game?

你知道那場比賽沒有記者嗎？

It was played in Hershey, Pennsylvania, and the New York guys are like, need a night off.

這是在賓夕法尼亞州的Hershey打的，而紐約的人就像，需要一個晚上的休息。

You know, Philly guys.

你知道，費城人。

Now we're not going to go to that game.

現在我們不打算去看那場比賽了。

So there were no journalists there, so it was a different time, different place.

所以那裡沒有記者，所以那是一個不同的時間，不同的地點。

But we all know what stands in the way of Wilt Place in his legacy in the game.

但我們都知道，在遊戲中，是什麼阻礙了威爾特廣場的傳承。

And it's Bill Russell.

是比爾-羅素

Bill Russell wins 11 championships in 13 years.

比爾-拉塞爾在13年內贏得11個冠軍。

Well, Twins two.

嗯，雙胞胎兩個。

There were great friends, great rivals, and Bill Russell was the one that said, I think I'm the only person that understands how great you truly are.

有很好的朋友，很好的對手，而比爾-拉塞爾是那個說，我想我是唯一一個明白你真正有多偉大的人。

That was Russell speaking, but we care about winning.

那是羅素說的，但我們在乎的是勝利。

We care about championships, and I think that's where things get colored for.

我們關心的是冠軍，我想這也是事情的色彩所在。

Wilt thou Wilt was an unstoppable offensive sport.

Wilt thou Wilt是一項不可阻擋的進攻運動。

I was just talking to Lenny Wilkins yesterday about this, he said.

我昨天剛和蘭尼-威爾金斯聊過這個問題，他說。

He was the most unstoppable player you've ever seen, and he has no doubt in his mind he would be every bit as dominant in today in 2021 as he was back back then.

他是你見過的最不可阻擋的球員，他毫不懷疑，在2021年的今天，他將和當年一樣具有統治力。

But because Russell and those Celtics and you, can we have the argument all day long?

但因為拉塞爾和那些凱爾特人和你，我們可以整天爭論不休嗎？

If you put Wilt on the Celtics, did they still win 11 out of 13?

如果把威爾特放在凱爾特人隊，他們還能贏下13場中的11場嗎？

A lot of people will say yes, but Russell was the most dominant defensive player the game had ever seen, and that became the identity of his team.

很多人會說是的，但拉塞爾是有史以來最具統治力的防守球員，這也成為了他的球隊身份。

He was actually a decent offensive player, but nothing like will.

他其實是個不錯的進攻球員，但完全不像威爾。

But he was a team guy.

但他是一個團隊的人。

He was a winner.

他是個贏家。

And that's why when we do the Mount Rushmore, we immediately go to Russell and sometimes forget about this larger than life personality that could score.

這也是為什麼我們在做拉什莫爾山的時候，會馬上去找拉塞爾，有時候會忘記這個比生命還大的人格，可以得分。

It will that could wake up one day and say, I think I'd like to lead the league in rebounding.

它將那可能有一天醒來說，我想我想在籃板球上領先聯盟。

I think I'd like to lead the league in assists.

我想我想在助攻方面領先聯盟。

I mean, just incredible, incredible talent.

我的意思是，只是不可思議，不可思議的人才。

He did that.

他做到了。

He did wake up one year and say, I'm going to lead the league in assists and he did.

有一年他確實醒悟過來，說，我要領跑聯盟的助攻，他做到了。

In 1968 he led the league in assists.

1968年，他的助攻數居聯盟首位。

He is the only 7 ft or to this day to average more than forces per game for his career.

他是生涯中唯一一個7尺或至今平均每場比賽超過力的人。

That's correct.

這是正確的。

And I think Nicola Yokich may join him there.

我想尼古拉-約基奇可能會加入他的行列。

Right?

對吧？

That's another story for another day right now.

那是另一個故事，現在改天再說。

That's right.

是的

And and so you know in Chamberlain again, I'm with you.

所以你知道在張伯倫再次，我支持你。

And when I put together my mat Rushmore, I have Russell on it.

當我把我的墊子拉什莫爾放在一起的時候，我就把羅素放在上面。

And then Hambo sends me these numbers.

然後漢博給我發來了這些數字。

Will Chamberlain held the record for most rebounds in a game 55 rebounds In November of 1960 he was playing against Bill Russell and the Celtics.

威爾-張伯倫保持著一場比賽最多籃板的紀錄55個籃板1960年11月，他的對手是比爾-拉塞爾和凱爾特人隊。

He grabbed 55 rebounds in a game against Russell, Right?

他在對陣拉塞爾的比賽中搶到了55個籃板，對吧？

So there's this whole theory and Wilt Chamberlain and the psychological games that Bill Russell may or may not have played with Wilt and And the way it goes is that you know Russell one on one knew he would have trouble stop stopping Wilt, of course, but a lot of times when they were playing games, you know, the the Celtics would be ahead.

是以，有這個整個理論和威爾特張伯倫和心理遊戲，比爾-拉塞爾可能或可能沒有發揮與威爾特和它的方式是，你知道拉塞爾一對一知道他將有麻煩停止威爾特，當然，但很多時候，當他們玩的遊戲，你知道，凱爾特人將領先。

They'd be comfortably ahead and then Wilt, you know, would start going in the fourth quarter, and Russell would let him think he owned him, and Wilt would have big fourth quarters.

他們會很輕鬆地領先，然後維爾特，你知道， 會開始在第四節， 和拉塞爾會讓他認為他擁有他， 和維爾特會有大第四節。

But the Celtics would still win now you can buy into that or not.

但凱爾特人還是會贏，現在你能不能買賬。

That's up to everybody's choice.

這就要看大家的選擇了。

But there was a bunch of the art of war was one of Bill Russell's favorite books, and he read it, you know, he read it from cover to cover, and I think he had a psychological advantage over Well, thank you for watching ESPN on YouTube for live streaming sports and premium content.

但有一堆的戰爭藝術是比爾-羅素最喜歡的書之一，他讀了它，你知道，他從頭到尾讀了一遍，我認為他有一個心理優勢，比嗯，謝謝你在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

Subscribe to ESPN, plus.

訂閱ESPN，加。