All we have is hope.

我們所擁有的只有希望。

We just haven't been able to move the needle.

我們只是還沒有能夠移動的針。

And he added that the enemy has yet to matriculate to the next level that that's a real head scratcher to him.

而且他還說，敵人還沒有預科到下一個層次，這對他來說真是個頭疼的問題。

Obviously, we know how successful the enemy has been.

很顯然，我們知道敵人有多成功。

Stephen A.

Stephen A.

Do you think?

你覺得呢？

Star players.

明星球員。

So we've heard from coaches.

所以我們已經聽到了教練的聲音。

Do you think star players need to be more vocal about the lack of black head coaches in the NFL?

你認為明星球員是否需要對NFL缺乏黑人主教練的問題發表更多意見？

Hell, yes.

見鬼，是的。

It should have been the case.

應該是這樣的。

Uh, and I'm not gonna call out names or whatever, because I don't know, uh, you know the folks who may have done so or those who are doing it behind the scenes, more power to them.

呃，我不會叫出名字或什麼的，因為我不知道，呃，你知道那些人誰可能已經這樣做了，或者那些誰正在做幕後，更多的權力給他們。

But when you talk about giving a voice to the voiceless, which is something that has been popularized throughout American history when it comes to discrimination or racial product or racist practices, the fact of the matter is that being silent or just operating behind the scenes, although that can be productive, you have to speak out at some point.

但當你談到為無聲者發聲時，這是美國曆史上流行的東西，當涉及到歧視或種族產品或種族主義做法時，事實是，保持沉默或只是在幕後操作，雖然這可能是有成效的，但你必須在某些時候說出來。

At least, somebody does.

至少，有人這樣做。

And the reality is that when it comes to black coaches in the NFL as well as in the National Basketball Association, they're few and far between, Um Avery Bradley and Kyrie Irving the guys that I'd like to give credit to, uh, in the off season before bubble play, because they were trying to bring attention to the paucity of black coaches in the National Basketball Association because the numbers were dwindling before our very eyes and we didn't hear anything.

現實是，當涉及到黑人教練在NFL以及國家籃球協會的時候，他們是很少的，嗯，艾弗裡-布拉德利和凱里-歐文這兩個人，我想感謝他們，嗯，在保麗龍比賽之前的休賽期，因為他們試圖讓人們注意到國家籃球協會中黑人教練的匱乏，因為在我們眼前，黑人教練的數量正在減少，而我們什麼也沒聽到。

That's always been the case in the National Football League.

國足一直都是這樣的。

As of right now, the years 2000 and 21.

截至目前，2000年和21。

Excuse me.

對不起，請原諒

There are three black head coaches.

有三個黑人主教練。

Three.

三號

That's it.

就這樣吧

Mike Tomlin, Brian Flores in Miami and, of course, David Cully, who is the new head coach for the Houston Texans who has been in the league for 27 years before he got a head coaching job.

邁克-湯姆林，邁阿密的布萊恩-弗洛雷斯，當然還有大衛-卡利，他是休斯頓德州人隊的新任主教練，他在聯盟中已經工作了27年，才得到了主教練的職位。

Robert Saleh for the Jets.

羅伯特-薩利赫為噴氣機隊效力。

You know, he came over as a defensive coordinator from the San Francisco 40 Niners to get the head coaching job.

你知道嗎，他是從舊金山40號九人隊過來當防守協調員的，得到主教練的工作。

Born in Michigan, raised of Lebanese descent.

出生於密歇根州，黎巴嫩後裔。

Lebanese parents, What have you uh, not African American, but nevertheless, it's a minority high.

黎巴嫩父母，你有什麼呃，不是非洲裔美國人，但儘管如此，它是一個少數民族的高。

Of course.

當然了

The previous year, Ron Rivera, well respected and recognized, got hired in the nation's capital by the by the Washington football team.

上一年，羅恩-里維拉，備受尊重和認可，在全國的首都被華盛頓橄欖球隊錄用。

Uh, but he was the only minority hired a year before that.

呃，但他是唯一的少數族裔，在那之前的一年被僱傭。

The league is 70% back black.

聯盟70%的人都是背黑鍋的。

It's a multibillion dollar establishment.

這是一個價值數十億美元的機構。

They're talking about how this lead could generate in excess of 25 year, at least before the pandemic that they that's what they were talking.

他們說的是這個鉛如何能產生超過25年，至少在大流行之前，他們這就是他們在說什麼。

And yet, considering how popular this league is, nothing has happened and no player says anything about it.

然而，考慮到這個聯賽有多受歡迎，什麼都沒有發生，也沒有玩家說什麼。

The millions upon millions of dollars that they're making, the way they're set in their generations are set somehow, some way.

他們賺的幾百萬幾千萬的錢，他們這一代人的方式都是以某種方式，某種方式設定的。

Nobody has the courage to open their damn mouth to speak out about it.

沒有人有勇氣張開該死的嘴說出來。

If you remember Max, I brought this up when it came to even Colin Kaepernick when Colin Kaepernick took a knee OK, everybody was in an uproar, coming to his defense because he had been marginalized because he had been essentially blackball.

如果你還記得馬克斯，我提出這個問題的時候，甚至科林-卡佩尼克的時候，科林-卡佩尼克下跪了OK，大家都是一片譁然，來為他辯護，因為他已經被邊緣化了，因為他基本上已經被黑球了。

Well, guess what?

你猜怎麼著？

I got a slew of a black coaches that could say this has been happening to them for decades, but no player said anything and my last point.

我得到了一大堆黑人教練，可以說這幾十年來一直髮生在他們身上，但沒有球員說什麼，我的最後一點。

Max.

最多。

Mike Tomlin has been in the National Football League for 14 years as a head coach.

邁克-湯姆林已經在國家橄欖球聯盟擔任了14年的主教練。

His record is 1 45 78 1.

他的記錄是1 45 78 1。

He's 1 65% of his games.

他的比賽有65%。

Max Kellerman.

Max Kellerman.

Are you aware of any of the assistance of his assistants?

你是否知道他的助手有什麼協助？

Have been hired, But But But But But Sean Payton got a tree and Andy Reid got a tree and show.

已被錄用，但但但但肖恩-佩頓得到了一棵樹，安迪-裡德得到了一棵樹，並顯示。

And you know, I mean, the list goes on and on.

你知道，我的意思是，名單上的人越來越多。

I mean, I'm Sean McVeigh.

我是說，我是肖恩-麥克維。

I mean, they got trees.

我是說，他們有樹。

They, you know, they got proteges.

他們，你知道，他們有保護人。

They got folks sprinkled throughout the league getting jobs.

他們讓整個聯盟的人都找到了工作。

Zach Taylor, No disrespect.

扎克-泰勒，沒有不敬的意思

Wish him nothing but the best in Cincinnati.

祝願他在辛辛那提一切順利。

He got a job there.

他在那裡找到了一份工作。

Okay, where you come from, All I'm just saying is, you just look at it and it's like the unfairness is so flagrant.

好吧，你從哪裡來， 我只是說，你只是看看它，它像 不公平的是如此公然。

It's disgusting.

太噁心了

And and and black players should be speaking up.

而和和黑玩家應該是說出來的。

Yes, a long time ago.

是的，很久以前的事了。

Well, I agree.

嗯，我同意。

I think players black and white should be taking the lead here, as LeBron James and Chris Paul and others have done in the NBA.

我認為黑人和白人球員應該在這裡起到帶頭作用，就像勒布朗-詹姆斯和克里斯-保羅等人在NBA所做的那樣。

Let's keep in mind what we're dealing with in the NFL, though.

不過我們要記住，我們面對的是NFL。

Stephen A.

Stephen A.

Colin, Kaepernick and I mentioned this years ago while it was going on.

科林、卡佩尼克和我在幾年前就提到過這件事，當時。

Remember we did the show in LA with Snoop and Magic.

還記得我們在洛杉磯和史努比、魔術師一起做的節目嗎？

Colin Kaepernick was kneeling broadly.

科林-卡佩尼克寬厚地跪著。

I mean, narrowly, it's it's, you know, injustice in terms of law enforcement interactions with communities of color.

我的意思是，從狹義上講，它是... ...它是，你知道，在執法方面的不公正 互動與社區的顏色。

But broadly, it's about systemic racism, right?

但從廣義上講，這是關於系統性的種族主義，對嗎？

And he hasn't had a job since then.

從那以後，他就沒有工作了。

He's been drummed out of the league, unjustly, has, doesn't have anything to do with his play, right, so that's what the NFL does.

他被鼓吹出聯盟，不公正，有，和他的發揮沒有關係，對吧，所以這就是NFL的做法。

If you make too much noise about that issue now, you might argue.

如果你現在在這個問題上鬧得太厲害，你可能會辯解。

Well, the way Kaepernick went about it, he he he touched the third rail, at least in terms of the NFL in their business.

好吧，卡佩尼克的做法，他他觸及了第三條軌道，至少在NFL的業務方面。

And there are ways of doing it without burning everything down.

而且有辦法在不燒燬一切的情況下做到這一點。

We could argue about that, but okay, let's say I concede that point.

我們可以爭論這個問題，但好吧，就說我承認這一點。

Yes, players should take the lead, but the power structure is completely imbalanced.

是的，玩家應該起主導作用，但權力結構完全失衡。

I mean, the reason I think primarily that we see this is there's virtually no minority ownership in the NFL and is that because the NFL is systematically kind of excluding or rejecting the attempts of minorities to own teams?

我的意思是，我認為主要的原因是，我們看到這一點是有幾乎沒有少數人的所有權在NFL，這是因為NFL是系統性的一種排斥或拒絕少數人的嘗試擁有球隊？

Or is that because of our country's original sin, you know you really want it.

還是因為我們國家的原罪，你知道你真的想。

There's enormous economic inequity in this country based on the fact that black people were once slaves.

這個國家存在著巨大的經濟不平等，基於黑人曾經是奴隸的事實。

And not only have there never been reparations made, but in which they are.

而且不僅從未進行過賠償，而且在其中。

Do you know which African Americans are due?

你知道哪些非裔美國人是應該的嗎？

In my view and would be better for us societally.

在我看來，而且會對我們社會更好。

But in addition to that post slavery, they were also systemically, um, you know, excluded from the economy in many ways.

但除此之外，奴隸制後， 他們也系統地，嗯，你知道， 從經濟排斥在許多方面。

And so at least the parts of the economy you want to be involved in.

所以至少是你想參與的經濟部分。

And so that's really what we're talking about.

所以這才是我們真正要討論的問題。

The NFL is a reflection of the country in generally, but more specifically, even when you factor that in three African American head coach is in a league that 70% African American.

NFL是一個國家在一般情況下的反映，但更具體地說，即使你考慮到三個非洲裔美國人的主教練是在一個70％非洲裔美國人的聯盟。

Yes, I think that the league should make this one of its priorities.

是的，我認為聯盟應該將此作為優先事項之一。

Stephen A.

Stephen A.

You know, along with making money, obviously that's always going to be their priority, um, and player health, because that could be something that could affect their business long term.

你知道，隨著賺錢，很明顯，這永遠是他們的首要任務，嗯，還有球員的健康，因為這可能會影響到他們的長期業務。

I think this issue can also affect their business because it's beyond the pale at this point.

我想這個問題也會影響到他們的業務，因為現在已經超出了正常的範圍。

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