And please welcome Skylar Higley.

請歡迎斯凱勒-希格利。

Skyler, Thank you for being here, man.

斯凱勒，謝謝你能來，夥計

Thank you for having me.

謝謝你邀請我。

What's it like joining Mid Pandemic?

加盟中大流行是什麼感覺？

Because if you're in a writer's room, it's essentially a lot of chemistry, and you have to do the weirdest thing imaginable.

因為如果你在一個作家的房間裡，基本上是很多化學反應，你必須做最奇怪的事情想象。

Which is this cold zoom meeting and technical errors it took, I would say, maybe slightly longer than, um, usual.

這就是這個冷酷的變焦會議和技術錯誤，它花了，我想說，可能比，嗯，平常稍微長一點。

But I think it's fine, like coming into a new writing staff.

但我認為這很好，就像來到一個新的寫作團隊。

I think always the problem is in a new group of people, it's always like, When do I make the joke?

我覺得問題總是在一個新的群體中，它總是像，我什麼時候才能開出玩笑？

And the thing about Zoom is, if you try to make a joke at the same time, is somebody else?

而關於Zoom的是，如果你想同時開個玩笑，是別人嗎？

It's just nobody's gonna hear anything either of you said so that was kind of like the first big hurdle of like, When do I even talk?

只是沒有人會聽到你們說的任何話... ...所以這就像第一個大障礙一樣，我什麼時候才能說話？

Because everybody is already on the same page about things E No, you mean other than that, like being in the room is one of the things I enjoy the most about my day because a lot of it on.

因為大家對事情的看法已經一致了 不，你的意思是除此之外，像在房間裡是我一天中最享受的事情之一，因為很多事情都在。

It's particularly with the Conan staff.

尤其是柯南的工作人員。

Everybody's friends.

大家都是朋友。

A lot of it's just, like, kind of bullshitting a lot the same thing.

很多都是一樣的，有點扯淡很多一樣的東西。

That and he was talking about being very mean to each other or not each other, but being mean about things and making jokes that are like we're all just like hanging out and then, like, ah, half hour arm or into the meeting than Matt O Brien will be like.

這和他說的是非常刻薄的對方或不對方，但刻薄的東西和開玩笑，就像我們都只是喜歡掛出，然後，像啊，半小時手臂或進入會議比馬特O布萊恩會像。

Okay, let's read some pitches.

好吧，讓我們讀一些投稿。

And, you know, it's like we've been just doing nothing for a while.

而且，你知道，這就像我們一直 只是做了一段時間什麼。

Yeah, but it is a great way to go in, though.

是的，但這是一個很好的方法，雖然。

And you're talking with a human being and not just go in cold and have to read incredibly dumb sketch, right?

而且你是在和一個人說話，而不是冷不丁地去看令人難以置信的啞巴草圖，對吧？

Dr Martin Helicopter.

馬丁博士直升機。

Right?

對吧？

And God forbid Cohen joins the zoom.

而上帝保佑科恩加入變焦。

Then we're just, like, not even gonna get to any.

然後我們就像，甚至不會得到任何。

Then it's just like, you know, Conan bits, and then we just start like hanging out with him and having fun.

然後就像，你知道的，柯南的部分， 然後我們就開始像掛出與他和樂趣。

So it's just like the most fun.

所以，它就像最有趣的。

I think someone could probably have working in the time that we're working.

我想在我們工作的這段時間裡，大概有人能有工作。

So you started as a stand up in Chicago And is this true you grew up Mormon.

你是在芝加哥開始的，是真的嗎？ 你是在摩門教長大的。

I did, um, and it was a thing that, like I talked about it and stand up a lot.

我做了，嗯，這是一個事情，就像我談論它，站起來很多。

It was a thing that I didn't even think was weird or like something that people didn't relate Thio until I was about a year in.

這事我都不覺得奇怪，也不喜歡大家不相干的東西Thio，直到我一年左右。

And then everybody's like you grew up Mormon.

然後每個人都說你是摩門教長大的。

That's like, kind of crazy.

這就像，有點瘋狂。

And I was like, Oh, is it?

我當時想，哦，是嗎？

And they're like, Yeah, nobody's Mormon Except for if you grew up in Utah where I grew up, then everybody's Mormon and I'm like, Yeah, it's it's normal for, like, everybody in the same state to be like almost the same religion, right?

他們就像，是啊，沒有人是摩門教徒 除了如果你在猶他州長大，我在那裡長大， 那麼每個人都是摩門教徒，我就像，是啊，這是正常的， 像，每個人都在同一個州 是像幾乎相同的宗教，對不對？

And everybody else is like, No, no, that is that is a Utah thing.

而其他人都是這樣，不，不，那是那是猶他州的事情。

That is yeah, because it's a very specific one.

那是啊，因為這是一個很特殊的。

They get a lot of hate just because it's so new.

他們得到了很多的仇恨，只是因為它是如此的新。

Yeah, another 100 years.

是啊，再過100年。

Where until acceptable.

凡是直到可以接受。

Or maybe you just get out of Utah, maybe tour.

或者你只是離開猶他州，也許是旅遊。

I mean, yeah, that was that was my thing because I just had to, like, get out because I just I always felt out of place in Utah.

我的意思是，是的，那是那是我的事情，因為我只是，喜歡，離開，因為我只是... ...我總是覺得在猶他州的地方。

I didn't like I just didn't you know, I wasn't the same as everybody else.

我不喜歡... ...我只是不... ...你知道，我和別人不一樣。

I like.

我喜歡。

It's a state.

這是一種狀態。

That's like, what, 99.99% white?

這就像，什麼，99.99%的白人？

It's like me and the Utah Jazz or the only black people there.

就像我和猶他爵士隊還是那裡唯一的黑人。

And I moved to Chicago and like it, it was just much more like a I became myself.

我搬到了芝加哥，喜歡它，它只是更喜歡一個我成為了我自己。

I think through like comedy, you know, very religious and is a back part of my mind where I'm like, you know, what you make a killing is if you become a church comic.

我認為通過像喜劇，你知道，非常宗教和是我的腦海中的後半部分，我喜歡，你知道，你做什麼殺戮是，如果你成為一個教會的喜劇。

Okay, um, that's something that I had considered because, like, I remember when I was gonna go into comedy, Um, my mom, uh, like, told my family and immediately my grandmother brought me is DVD That was like, um, like to say like, Hey, if you're gonna do comedy, you know, don't have toe like curse and stuff.

好吧，嗯，這是我考慮過的事情，因為，喜歡，我記得當我要去進入喜劇，嗯，我的媽媽，嗯，喜歡，告訴我的家人，並立即我的祖母給我帶來了DVD，這就像，嗯，喜歡說，嘿，如果你要去做喜劇，你知道，沒有腳趾像詛咒和東西。

You could be like one of these.

你可以像其中的一個。

Like best Mormon comedians.

像最好的摩門教喜劇演員。

You had this, like, specific DVD that I've never watched.

你有這個一樣，具體的DVD，我從來沒有看過。

By the way, that was like, yeah, like Mormon comedy that was like, You ever be it church and you know, X y z you take the sacrament and then you feel connected to like I don't know how that could be funny young material, but they make a killing.

順便說一下，這就像，是的，就像摩門教的喜劇，就像，你曾經是它的教會，你知道，X Y Z你採取的聖禮，然後你覺得連接到像我不知道這怎麼可能是有趣的年輕材料，但他們賺了一筆。

Just imagine being like you're killing it.

試想一下，你就像在殺人。

You're killing it for the Lord.

你是在為上帝殺人

So you think God is happy with you the whole time, And then you get, like, a giant check, 10% of which you give back to the church.

所以你認為上帝對你很滿意，然後你得到一樣，一個巨大的支票，其中10％，你給回教會。

But that's okay.

但這沒關係。

Like, I mean, that's got to be a pretty good living.

就像，我的意思是，那一定是一個相當不錯的生活。

You know what I've convinced myself.

你知道我已經說服了自己。

I'm gonna go to church comedy now.

我現在要去教堂看喜劇了。

Wow.

哇哦

What religion did you know?

你知道什麼宗教？

Uh, made up their own thing?

呃，自己編的東西？

They did.

他們做到了。

They took a little bit of yeah, Catholicism's and made up their own thing.

他們借鏡了一點是的，天主教的，並編造了自己的東西。

And I'm trying to think that after the roads were missionaries for that and it did not work out, we had zero followers.

而我想，在道路為那的傳教士後，並沒有成功，我們的追隨者為零。

How long were you missionary for, uh, 10 years?

你傳教多久了，呃，10年？

A long time.

很長一段時間。

Yeah, but not, like, like help people and like, staying with them.

是的，但不是，喜歡，喜歡幫助人 和喜歡，留在他們身邊。

And And we're gonna build a school.

而且我們要建一所學校。

We were just like aggressive street preachers.

我們就像積極的街頭傳教士。

We go to a concert outside of the Utah Jazz game or something and just be screaming at people.

我們去猶他爵士隊比賽外的音樂會什麼的，只是對著人們尖叫。

Oh, my God.

哦，我的上帝。

Like a sign.

像一個標誌。

Yeah, yeah, There's a lot of pressure in Mormonism.

是的，是的，摩門教的壓力很大。

Like when you turn, uh, teen toe like it's like men, like, go on missions for, like, two years where, like, that's your whole thing.

就像當你轉，呃，十幾歲的腳趾就像它的男人一樣，喜歡，去的使命，喜歡，兩年的地方，喜歡，這是你的整個事情。

Everybody say in the book of Mormon musical, they know how this works.

每個人都說，在摩門教音樂劇中，他們知道如何運作。

I was so afraid of like doing that because, like by that time, I was like, I'm not gonna B I can't commit to something like that for, like, two years and just do this, like one thing.

我很害怕像這樣做，因為， 像那個時候，我很喜歡，我不會B 我不能承諾這樣的東西， 像，兩年，只是做這個，像一件事。

So you guys going, like, 10 years and then not even being, like, knock, knock.

所以，你們去，喜歡，10年，然後甚至沒有被，喜歡，敲，敲。

Hi.

嗨，我的天

How you doing?

你好嗎？

Do we want to talk about this guy?

我們要不要談談這個人？

But, like screaming at people?

但是，比如對著人大喊大叫？

That's nuts, man.

這是瘋了，夥計。

Yeah, it's a lot.

是的，這是一個很大的。

So you nervous?

所以你緊張嗎？

You stand out, like, now?

你站出來了，就像，現在？

As long as I'm not telling older women, they're going toe.

只要我不告訴年長的女人，她們就會趾高氣揚。

All right.

好吧，我知道了

That was probably don't walmart gave you the confidence to be like, Yeah, if I yeah, if I bomb, it's like, you know I can bomb.

這可能是不要沃爾瑪給你的信心是這樣的， 是啊，如果我是啊，如果我的炸彈，這就像，你知道我可以轟炸。

It's no worse than the things that I've said to people on the street.

這不比我在街上對人說的那些話差。

Yeah, but I think missionaries and religious people have insulated themselves.

是的，但我認為傳教士和宗教人士已經與世隔絕了。

So you can, uh, so if anyone persecutes you, they don't get it.

所以你可以，呃，所以如果有人迫害你，他們就不會得到它。

They're not saved.

他們沒有得救。

I think comedians need that.

我覺得喜劇演員需要這樣。

We need a way toe insulate ourselves.

我們需要一種方法來保護自己。

Because now, if you don't do well, there's someone hates you.

因為現在，如果你做得不好，就會有人恨你。

It's like they may.

就像他們可能。

Yeah, well, that's what I, uh that's what I do is like, if I get offstage and I bombed them like they didn't get it, they don't get any jokes.

是啊，這就是我，呃，這就是我做的是喜歡， 如果我得到了臺下，我轟炸他們像他們沒有得到它， 他們沒有得到任何笑話。

They all you know, I am God make it about them.

他們都知道，我是上帝，讓他們。

Yeah.

是啊。

I think the only way to truly navigate, um, comedy and not like, be anxious and depressed all the time is you're either like, anxious and like, self hating, like me, Or you are just a huge like narcissist, and you think like everything you do is perfect.

我認為唯一的辦法 真正瀏覽，嗯，喜劇 而不是像， 焦慮和鬱悶所有的時間 是你要麼喜歡，焦慮和喜歡， 自我憎恨，像我一樣， 或者你只是一個巨大的喜歡自戀， 你認為像一切 你做的是完美的。

And, um, I mean, like, I go back and forth.

而且，嗯，我的意思是，就像，我來回走動。

I wish I had more of the second one just to be like, I see the clips that people release and I see the stuff they put out.

我希望我有更多的第二個只是為了喜歡，我看到人們發佈的剪輯，我看到他們推出的東西。

I wish I had that confidence.

我希望我有這樣的信心。

Can you imagine the pathology involved toe, like, actually comment something negative on of like something else that somebody made, like, Who are you?

你能想象病理涉及到的腳趾，喜歡，居然評論一些負面的東西 像別人做的東西，像，你是誰？

What do you dio if There are any negative comments on this.

如果有任何負面評論，你會怎麼做？

I will personally fight each and every negative.

我將親自對抗每一個負。

Come I will find now you're inviting them.

來吧，我會發現現在你在邀請他們。

But that's fine, because that's just engagement.

但這沒關係，因為這只是參與。

That's gonna boost us in the algorithm.

這將提升我們的算法。

That's right.

是的

Negativity rises to the top.

負面情緒上升到頂點。

Start the conversation.

開始對話。

So people are like something.

所以，人們都喜歡什麼。

There's nothing interesting about go there.

去那裡沒什麼好玩的。

Question.

問題：

Good.

很好啊

So people want we should start a feud between us.

所以，人們希望我們應該開始我們之間的恩怨。

We should be a huge blow up.

我們應該是一個巨大的爆炸。

So we have it in the summer.

所以我們在夏天的時候就有了。

Do you want to start just like some some beef over some.

你想開始只是喜歡一些一些牛肉過一些。

Sort of like just some kind of public rivalry?

有點像只是某種公開的競爭？

Yeah, it's gonna be great for our brands.

是啊，這對我們的品牌來說會很好。

I'm gonna go hard, hardcore into anti masking.

我要硬著頭皮，硬著頭皮去做防偽。

You could be the cause.

你可能是原因。

You'll be the fan favorite.

你會成為粉絲的最愛。

I'll be the villain, and I'll just say I won't even go anti mask.

我當反派，我就說我都不會去反面具。

They say you wear to Mass.

他們說你穿去做彌撒。

Now.

現在就去

I'm just gonna be going hard until, like, I only wear one mask and that could be our split.

我只是要去努力，直到一樣，我只戴一個面具，這可能是我們的分裂。

See, that's the stance.

看，這就是立場。

That's the nuanced stance is the one mask guy this guy sells out.

這就是細微的立場是一個面具人這傢伙賣的。

PC culture wants them to wear to mass.

PC文化希望他們穿到大眾。

Well, fuck it is gross.

好吧，他媽的它是毛。

That's what that's what generates any sort of heat.

那是什麼，那是什麼產生任何形式的熱量。

Success is just the negativity.

成功只是消極的。

And I'm 100% down to play the game.

而我百分百會玩這個遊戲。

E think we'll get in a fight about joke that, But it's gonna be the worst joke, right?

我想我們會因為這個笑話而大打出手，但這將是最糟糕的笑話，對嗎？

How he stole from you.

他是如何從你那裡偷來的。

So incredibly corny.

如此不可思議的老套。

Yeah, he stole my thing About how, like, sometimes you take inedible and then you're suddenly, like, so high out of nowhere.

是啊，他偷了我的東西，關於如何，喜歡，有時 你把inedible 然後你突然一樣，所以高出無處。

The That was my comedy market.

那是我的喜劇市場。

Um, I took inedible and then something we It's like every time I hear the stories like you're an adult, you took an edible plane.

嗯，我把inedible，然後我們的東西 這就像每次我聽到的故事 像你是一個成年人， 你把一個可食用的飛機。

What did you think was gonna happen?

你以為會發生什麼？

Right.

好吧，我知道了

It was a story.

這是一個故事。

You took an edible and nothing happened.

你拿了個食用的東西，卻什麼都沒發生。

Or the whole, like I have worked with or around kids.

或者說是整體，就像我和孩子們一起工作過或身邊的人一樣。

And you know what?

你知道嗎？

I don't like him.

我不喜歡他

It's like, great, like, way I love it.

這就像，偉大的，像，方式我喜歡它。

Okay, well, we have a very bright future.

好吧，我們有一個非常光明的未來。

I like this.

我喜歡這個。

I can't wait to see you again.

我迫不及待地想再見到你。

Perform on a real show.

在真正的節目中表演。

I know you're going it on the show.

我知道你要上節目了。

Everyone loves you around there, so hang in there.

每個人都愛你在那裡，所以堅持下去。

Keep keep doing your thing.

繼續做你的事情。

Yeah, man.

是啊，夥計。

Thank you so much for having me.

非常感謝你邀請我。

Of course.

當然了

Skylar.

絲凱拉

Higley.

Higley.