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  • -My next guest is an Emmy-winning director, writer,

    -我的下一位客人是一位艾美獎得主,編劇。

  • and producer who has made films like "Selma," "13th,"

    和製片人,曾拍攝過《塞爾瑪》、《13號》等影片。

  • and "A Wrinkle in Time."

    和 "時間的皺紋"。

  • The fifth season of her show "Queen Sugar"

    她的節目 "糖後 "第五季。

  • airs Tuesdays at 8:00 p.m. on OWN.

    每週二晚上8點在OWN上播出。

  • Here is Ava DuVernay.

    這就是艾娃-杜瓦爾內。

  • -Oh, my good-- -Hey, Jimmy!

    -哦,我的天啊...

  • -Thank you so much for being here.

    -謝謝你能來這裡。

  • Thanks for doing the show.

    謝謝你做這個節目。

  • It is so nice to finally meet you.

    很高興終於見到你了。

  • -I love you.

    -我愛你

  • And I watch you every night.

    我每天晚上都會看著你。

  • You really helped me get through quarantine,

    你真的幫我度過了隔離期。

  • and I just want to say thank you.

    我只想說謝謝你。

  • And I just want -- One day,

    我只是想... 有一天

  • I want you to call me "buddy" or "pal."

    我希望你叫我 "哥們 "或 "朋友"。

  • That's all I want.

    這就是我想要的。

  • -Wow, you really do watch the show.

    -哇,你真的很會看戲。

  • -So I can feel it, you know what I'm saying?

    -所以我能感覺到它,你知道我在說什麼嗎?

  • -You are the best. I love that you know that.

    -你是最棒的我喜歡你知道這一點。

  • You are honestly -- Not only do I love your work,

    你是誠實的 -- 我不僅喜歡你的作品。

  • but I love your work ethic, and I love how much you do.

    但我喜歡你的職業道德,我也喜歡你的工作。

  • And you go, "Yeah, check this out. I'm going to write this."

    你去,"是啊,檢查了這一點。我要寫這個。"

  • And then you write it. Then you produce it.

    然後你再寫出來。然後你再製作它。

  • Then you direct -- I'm like,

    然後,你直接 - 我喜歡。

  • you are one of the busiest people in the business,

    你是這行最忙的人之一。

  • and it's quality stuff.

    而且是高質量的東西。

  • There's something I want to ask you about.

    有件事我想問你。

  • Your company, ARRAY, launched last week.

    你的公司,ARRAY,上週啟動。

  • It is called ARRAY Crew,

    它叫ARRAY Crew。

  • A-R-R-A-Y Crew, C-R-E-W, dot com.

    A-R-R-A-Y Crew, C-R-E-W, dot com.

  • Can you explain what this is, and how can people get involved?

    你能不能解釋一下這是什麼,大家怎麼參與?

  • -Yeah, ARRAY is a collective

    -是的,ARRAY是一個集體的。

  • that I founded about 10 years ago,

    我10年前創立的。

  • and we do all kinds of things.

    我們做各種事情。

  • We distribute films for women and people of color

    我們為婦女和有色人種發行電影

  • who otherwise wouldn't have their films distributed.

    否則他們的電影就無法發行。

  • We make TV shows and film,

    我們製作電視節目和電影。

  • the "When They See Us" and the "Queen Sugars" of the world.

    的 "當他們看到我們 "和 "女王糖 "的世界。

  • But we also know that from being on all these sets,

    但我們也知道,從這些套路上。

  • you know, when we make film and television

    你知道,當我們拍電影和電視的時候

  • that most of the people behind the scenes

    大多數幕後人員

  • kind of all look one way.

    樣的都看一個方向。

  • They look like you more than they look like me.

    他們看你比看我還像。

  • And so what we want to try to say

    所以我們想說的是

  • is both of us should have a place on set.

    是我們兩個應該有一個地方的設置。

  • And we want to open it up and make sure

    我們要打開它,確保。

  • that people who are hiring crews --

    僱用船員的人 -

  • producers, studios, networks --

    製片人、製片廠、網絡 -- --

  • know about people of different cultures, colors,

    瞭解不同文化、膚色的人。

  • different identities, ages, physical abilities.

    不同身份、年齡、體能。

  • The people who usually we don't see, we want them to be seen,

    平時我們看不到的人,我們希望他們被看到。

  • and so that's what ARRAY Crew is.

    所以這就是ARRAY Crew。

  • -That's wild, and it's taking off.

    -太狂野了,它正在起飛。

  • -It's really taking off.

    -它真的起飛了

  • The big thing is, we knew there were crew members there

    最重要的是,我們知道有船員在那裡。

  • who would want to be in the platform, in the database.

    誰願意在平臺、數據庫中。

  • But the question is, could we get the studios

    但問題是,我們能不能讓電影製片廠

  • and the networks to get behind it?

    和網絡來支持它?

  • And when we launched last week,

    而當我們上週推出。

  • every single major studio and network,

    每一個主要的工作室和網絡。

  • every single one, every streamer, committed to use it.

    每一個人,每一個人流,都致力於使用它。

  • And they're using it, and people are getting jobs

    他們正在使用它,人們得到了工作。

  • and getting connected. And that's all we wanted.

    並取得聯繫。而這正是我們想要的。

  • We're a non-profit, so we just wanted people --

    我們是一個非營利組織,所以我們只是想讓人們 --

  • -That's the key. -It's free, you know?

    -這就是關鍵-這是免費的,你知道嗎?

  • It's just connection.

    這只是連接。

  • -Great. I love that you did that. Good for you.

    -很好,我喜歡你這麼做我喜歡你這樣做。很好

  • I want to talk about "Queen Sugar."

    我想談談 "糖後"。

  • This is a show you created and you produced.

    這是你創造的節目,也是你製作的。

  • And the fifth season just premiered,

    而第五季剛剛首播。

  • and it's already been renewed for a sixth.

    而且已經續拍到第六部了。

  • It's very up-to-date, very 2020, very present.

    它非常的與時俱進,非常的2020,非常的現在。

  • You ended up rewriting the whole thing.

    你最後把整個事情重寫了。

  • Tell everyone what's going on.

    告訴大家發生了什麼。

  • -Well, you know, this was the first series I ever did.

    -你知道,這是我做的第一個系列。

  • You know, I was making movies, so I was used to kind of make the movie, and it's over.

    你知道,我是拍電影的,所以我習慣了那種拍電影,然後就結束了。

  • And this is like, make a movie every week,

    這就像,每週拍一部電影。

  • oh, and you're renewed for six years!

    哦,你是續簽六年的!

  • Like, we're still telling the story.

    就像,我們還在講故事。

  • But one of the things about it

    但其中有一件事

  • is that it's about a contemporary Black family.

    是關於一個當代黑人家庭。

  • We always took pride in the fact that we were telling the story

    我們一直以自己在講故事為榮。

  • of Black people in the here and now.

    黑人在此時此刻的處境。

  • And so when the here and now changed

    所以當這裡和現在改變

  • and it was COVID, and it was, you know, politics,

    它是COVID,這是,你知道,政治。

  • and it was, you know, a real racial reckoning

    它是,你知道,一個真正的種族清算。

  • that seemed to be happening in some corners,

    這似乎是發生在一些角落。

  • we wanted to deal with that.

    我們想處理這個問題。

  • And so we changed the story that we had written

    所以我們改變了我們寫的故事。

  • so we could stay true

    所以我們可以保持真實

  • to contemporary stories of Black folk,

    到當代黑人民間故事。

  • and we rewrote the season

    我們重寫了這一季

  • that's basically a flashback to everything in 2020.

    這基本上是對2020年一切的回想。

  • So just, you know, we opened with, it's the month before.

    所以,只是,你知道,我們開了,這是一個月前。

  • It's like February 2020,

    這就像2020年2月。

  • when no one was really tuned in on the fact

    當沒有人真正關注到這個事實的時候。

  • that this was going to be something that affected us,

    這將是影響我們的東西。

  • not just people in other countries.

    不僅僅是其他國家的人。

  • Then we get to March, and it's like "Oh, yeah,

    然後我們到了3月,它就像 "哦,是的。

  • I heard something's happening in Seattle

    我聽說西雅圖有事情發生

  • with old people in a old folks home.

    與老人在敬老院。

  • Not to do with me."

    與我無關。"

  • And then each episode, it starts to really happen

    然後每一集,它開始真正的發生

  • in the way that it happened for most of us

    對我們大多數人來說都是如此

  • where it starts to confront you head-on.

    在那裡,它開始與你正面交鋒。

  • -Yeah. The show is on the OWN network,

    -是的是啊。 該節目是在OWN網絡。

  • which is Oprah Winfrey's Network.

    這是奧普拉-溫弗瑞的網絡。

  • All the Oprah wisdom and advice

    所有奧普拉的智慧和建議

  • that she's given over the years, that I've taken --

    她多年來的付出,我已經採取 -

  • I mean, I do dream journals.

    我的意思是,我做夢日記。

  • Everyone -- Please, she's touched everybody.

    每個人... 拜託,她感動了每個人。

  • Is there anything specific that's always stuck with you?

    有什麼具體的事情讓你一直耿耿於懷嗎?

  • -The idea of nothing bad is happening to you,

    -你不會有什麼不好的想法,

  • it's happening for you. -Wow.

    它的發生對你來說。-哇。

  • -That was really a big one for me.

    -這對我來說真是個大問題。

  • -Is there anything that Oprah would say

    -奧普拉會說什麼嗎?

  • that you've taught her?

    你教她的?

  • -[ Chuckles ]

    -[笑聲]

  • I think I've taught her how to put GIFs on her IG.

    我想我已經教會了她如何在她的IG上放GIF。

  • I've taught her... -No! Did you teach her --

    我已經教她...不! -你有沒有教她...你有沒有教她...

  • [ Laughs ] You upped her GIF game?

    [笑] 你提高了她的GIF遊戲?

  • -...how to do a Boomerang. Okay, these are important things,

    -...如何做一個迴旋鏢。好吧,這些都是重要的事情。

  • just like it's not happening to you, it's happening for you.

    就像它沒有發生在你身上,它發生在你身上。

  • -I wish you could teach me how to do a Boomerang.

    -我希望你能教我如何做一個迴旋鏢。

  • I want to show everyone a clip

    我想給大家看一個片段

  • from next week's episode of "Queen Sugar."

    從下週的 "糖女王 "的情節。

  • Take a look at this.

    看看這個。

  • -What about getting your crop loan?

    -辦理農作物貸款怎麼辦?

  • Couldn't that help?

    能不能幫上忙?

  • -Banks ain't given loans to no farms right now.

    -銀行現在不給農場貸款了。

  • To be honest, I'm happy we ain't harvest.

    說實話,我很高興我們沒有收穫。

  • It would have went to waste

    那就浪費了

  • like all them other farms throwing out all they product.

    就像其他農場一樣,把所有的產品都扔掉。

  • [ Sighs ]

    [嘆氣]

  • Next year,

    明年吧

  • the soil will be three times as rich.

    土壤將是三倍的豐富。

  • We could recoup everything we didn't make this year,

    我們可以把今年沒賺到的錢都收回來。

  • so I'm -- I'm not worried about that.

    所以我... ... 我不擔心這個。

  • Feel like the land's gon' take care of us.

    感覺像土地的坤'照顧我們。

  • Just got to be patient.

    只是要有耐心。

  • -You have a really beautiful outlook on this.

    -你有一個非常美麗的前景。

  • -[ Chuckles ]

    -[笑聲]

  • I mean, it ain't come easy.

    我的意思是,這是不容易的。

  • We've seen the ups and downs, but,

    我們已經看到了起伏,但。

  • hell, this is where we at.

    地獄,這是我們在哪裡。

  • Guess it is what it is, right?

    猜測它是什麼,對不對?

  • -Ava DuVernay!

    -Ava DuVernay!

  • Season 5 of "Queen Sugar" airs Tuesday nights

    第五季《甜心女王》週二晚播出

  • at 8:00 p.m. on OWN.

    晚上8點,在OWN。

  • Thank you so much again for coming on the show.

    再次感謝你來參加節目。

  • I'm a big fan. Please come back. Bye, buddy.

    我是你的粉絲請回來吧再見,夥計。

  • -Thanks, buddy.

    -謝謝你,夥計

-My next guest is an Emmy-winning director, writer,

-我的下一位客人是一位艾美獎得主,編劇。

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