WE'RE BACK WITH THE AUTHOR OF "HOW TO AVOID A CLIMATE

我們又回到了 "如何避免氣候變暖 "的作者身邊。

DISASTER," BILL GATES.

災難，"比爾-蓋茨。

GOVERNOR ABBOTT DOWN IN TEXAS SAYS THEIR PROBLEM WAS GREEN

德州州長阿博特說他們的問題是綠色的。

ENERGY DOWN IN TEXAS.

能源在德克薩斯。

THAT'S WHY THEY DIDN'T HAVE POWER, SO THE WATER SYSTEM SHUT

這就是為什麼他們沒有電力，所以水系統關閉了。

DOWN AND THE HEATERS SHUT DOWN AND THE PIPES BURST.

暖氣片關閉，管道爆裂。

WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO BLAME GREEN ENERGY

你對那些想責備綠色能源的人有什麼反應？

FOR THERE LATEST CRISIS?

對於那裡最新的危機？

>> WELL, THE PROBLEM WAS THEY DIDN'T WEATHERIZE ANY OF THEIR

>> 問題是他們沒有把他們的任何一個人的天氣化。

POWER SOURCES, SO NATURAL GAS SHUT DOWN, AND THAT WAS THE

動力源，所以天然氣關閉，這就是所謂的

BIGGEST THING.

最大的事情。

THE WIND SHUTTING DOWN WAS A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE, AND THAT

風的關閉是一個很小的百分比，而這一點。

WAS JUST BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T WEATHERIZED IT.

只是因為他們還沒有風化它。

EVEN NORTH DAKOTA HAS WIND THAT WORKS AT COLD TEMPERATURES.

甚至北達科他州也有在寒冷溫度下工作的風。

THERE ARE TWO REALLY VALID POINTS HERE, THOUGH, WHICH IS

這裡有兩個真正有效的點，但，這是

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF THESE CRAZY WEATHER EVENTS, EVEN

我們將有更多的這些瘋狂的天氣事件，甚至是。

COLD ONES LIKE THAT, BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, AND, AS WE MAKE

寒冷的人喜歡這樣，因為氣候的變化，並且，我們使

THE GRID CLEAN, IT IS -- IT WILL BE A CHALLENGE TO KEEP IT

電網清潔，它是 - 這將是一個挑戰，以保持它。

RELIABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE LOTS OF CASES WHERE THERE'S NOT

可靠性，因為你可以有很多案例，而這些案例並不可靠。

MUCH SUN OR WIND, SO WE HAVE TO INNOVATE TO BE ABLE TO STORE

太多的陽光或風，所以我們必須創新，以便能夠儲存。

ENERGY OR USE A WEATHER-INDEPENDENT GREEN SOURCE

能源或使用不受天氣影響的綠色能源。

LIKE NUCLEAR.

像核彈。

>> Stephen: OKAY.

>> 史蒂芬：好的。

WELL, I MEAN, PEOPLE LOOK AT NUCLEAR A LITTLE ASKANCE, AND

嗯，我的意思是，人們看著核電 有點疑問，和。

I'M SURE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY.

我想你一定能明白為什麼。

THERE HAVE BEEN NUCLEAR ACCIDENTS.

已經發生了核事故。

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU SAW H.B.O.'S SHEERS CHERNOBYL, BUT IT WAS A

我不知道你是否看到了H. B. O. 的SHEERS CHERNOBYL，但它是一個

BIT CHILLING, ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY THERE WOULD BE A

有點令人心寒，關於可能會有一個

LARGE HUNK OF EASTERN EUROPE WOULD NOT BE INHABITABLE FOR

東歐的大塊頭們不會無法居住在這裡。

SEVERAL THOUSAND YEARS.

幾千年來。

IS IT POSSIBLE TO DO NUCLEAR POWER SAFELY?

是否可以安全地使用核動力？

>> ABSOLUTELY.

>> 當然。

WE NEED A NEW DESIGN.

我們需要一個新的設計。

THE RECORD, DESPITE CHERNOBYL, DESPITE WHAT COAL HAS DONE TO

記錄，儘管有碳化硅，儘管有煤，儘管有煤所做的一切。

PEOPLE'S HEALTH AND COAL MINUS AND NATURAL GAS PIPELINES

人民健康與煤減量和天然氣管道項目

BLOWING UP, IT'S QUITE GOOD, BUT IT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

爆炸了，這是很好的，但它不是好的不夠。

SO WE NEED TO START FROM SCRATCH AND HAVE A REACTOR THAT THE

所以，我們需要從零開始，並有一個反應器，這將是一個很好的選擇。

OPERATES CAN NEVER MESS UP, THAT NO MATTER WHAT, THE RADIOACTIVE

運營商永遠不會出錯，無論如何，無線電活動的。

STUFF STAYS ON SITE, AND I'M INVOLVED IN A COMPANY THAT JUST

東西留在現場，我參與了一個公司，只是。

GOT A U.S. GOVERNMENT CONTRACT TO PROVE THAT THERE'S THIS NEW

有一個美國政府的合同，以證明有這個新的。

SUPER SAFE GENERATION.

超級安全的一代。

>> Stephen: UM, NOT TO PUSH BACK AGAINST SOMEONE WHO KNOWS

>> 史蒂芬：嗯，不是要推倒一個知道的人。

MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO, BUT ISN'T THE DANGER WITH NUCLEAR

這比我做的更多，但不是與核電的危險。

REACTORS NOT SO MUCH THAT OTHER FORMS OF ENERGY DON'T KILL

反應器不是那麼多，其他形式的能源不殺。

PEOPLE IN THE LONG RUN, BUT THAT A LARGE CHUNK OF THE PLANET

從長遠來看，人們，但地球上的一大塊

DOESN'T BECOME UNINHABITABLE AS A RESULT OF AN ACCIDENT WHEN

在以下情況下，不會因事故而變得無法居住。

NUCLEAR RADIATION IS SPREAD LIKE A POISONOUS SAUCE OVER UKRAINE?

核輻射像有毒的醬汁一樣在烏克蘭蔓延？

>> NO, THE CHERNOBYL WAS A HUGE DISASTER, AND, YOU KNOW, THE

>> 不，切爾諾貝利是一個巨大的災難，而且，你知道，該

RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL SPREAD OUT OF THE REACTOR, AND, YOU KNOW,

放射性物質從反應器中擴散出來，而且，你知道：

PEOPLE HAD TO LEAVE THAT AREA.

人們不得不離開那個地區。

AND, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE STUFF IN THE REACTOR.

而且，你知道，你必須把這些東西留在反應器裡。

IT IS, YOU KNOW -- IT -- THE HISTORY IS CLEAR, BUT, GOING

它是，你知道... ... 它... ... 歷史是清晰的，但是，去了。

FORWARD, PEOPLE SHOULD JUST HAVE AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE YOU WANT A

前進，人們應該有一個開放的心態，因為你想要一個。

GREEN SOURCE OF ENERGY THAT'S NOT WEATHER DEPENDENT, AND

不依賴氣候的綠色能源，而且

NUCLEAR IS THE ONLY THING THAT HAS A CHANCE OF SCALING THAT

核能是唯一有機會升級的東西。

WELL, AND, YOU KNOW, I'M AMAZED AT THE BRILLIANT THINGS PEOPLE

你知道嗎，我很驚訝於人們的妙趣橫生。

HAVE COME UP WITH TO BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE THIS, AND NOW WE CAN

我們已經想出了能夠保證這一點，現在我們可以

SIMULATE ALL THE BAD THINGS THAT MGHT HAPPEN TO MAKE SURE WE'RE

模擬所有可能發生的壞事，以確保我們是。

ROBUST.

堅固的。

>> Stephen: AT 65 YEARS OLD, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO

>> 史蒂芬: 65歲了，你有什麼想說的嗎？

SAY TO THIS GUY FROM 37 YEARS AGO?

對37年前的這個傢伙說？

YOU SEE THIS FELLOW RIGHT HERE?

你看到這個朋友在這裡？

>> YEAH, HE WAS A MAD MAN.

>> 是的，他是個瘋子。

HE WORKED ALL THE TIME.

他一直在工作。

HE DIDN'T THINK OLD PEOPLE HAD ANY GOOD IDEAS, SO I WOULD TELL

他不認為老年人有什麼好的想法，所以我就告訴他。

THEM TO MELLOW ON THAT ONE.

他們要在那一個上融化。

( LAUGHTER ) >> Stephen: ARE THERE ANY

（笑） >> 史蒂芬：有什麼人嗎？

THINGS YOU WOULD SAY LIKE, DON'T DO THAT, DON'T PURSUE THAT

你想說的是，不要這樣做，不要追求這樣做

PROJECT?

項目？

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WOULD WAVE HIM OFF.

你有什麼東西可以讓他離開嗎？

>> BE NICE TO THE GOVERNMENT.

>> 對政府好一點。

>> Stephen: BE NICE TO THE GOVERNMENT?

>> 史蒂芬：對政府好一點？

WHY?

為什麼？

WAS THIS GUY JUST A LITTLE CREEP TO THE GOVERNMENT?

這傢伙對政府來說只是個小爬蟲嗎？

>> NO, NO, HE EVENTUALLY GOT INTO AN ANTITRUST TRIAL.

>> 不，不，他最終還是進入了反壟斷審判。

>> Stephen: OH, THAT'S RIGHT.

>> 史蒂芬：哦，沒錯。

THAT'S RIGHT.

這是正確的。

AND WAS HE RIGHT OR WRONG FOR DEFENDING HIS ACTIONS?

他為自己的行為辯護是對是錯？

>> UH, I'M TOO BIASED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

>> 呃，我太偏向於回答這個問題。

>> Stephen: YOU'RE IMMINENTLY FAIR TO YOURSELF.

>> 史蒂芬：你對自己很公平。

( LAUGHTER ) WELL, BILL, THANK YOU SO MUCH

（笑）好了，比爾，謝謝你這麼多。

FOR BEING HERE.

因為在這裡。

>> WELL, THANKS.

>> 好了，謝謝。

GREAT TO TALK TO YOU.

很高興與你交談。

>> Stephen: I WAS WAITING FOR A THANKS BACK.

>> 斯蒂芬：我正在等著你的回信。

THAT'S ALL.

這就是全部。

CAN'T BELIEVE HOW HARD I HAD TO FISH FOR THAT ONE.

真不敢相信我為了那條魚有多辛苦。

( LAUGHTER ) HOW DO AVOID A CLIMATE DISASTER

如何避免氣候災難？

IS AVAILABLE NOW.

現在可以使用。

BILL GATES, EVERYBODY.

比爾-蓋茨，每個人。

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH A PERFORMANCE BY "TUNE-YARDS."

我們馬上回來，"TUNE -YARDS "的表演。

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