Yeah, these questions were very long today.

是啊，今天這些問題非常長。

What is happening?

發生什麼事了？

They're like, eight part questions either way.

他們就像，八部分的問題要麼。

It was obviously the match that everybody was watching.

這顯然是大家都在關注的比賽。

Serena had said before that she's actually really enjoyed there, not being a crowd.

塞雷娜之前就說過，其實她很喜歡在那裡，不做人群。

And there was a crowd.

而且當時人山人海。

So there were questions about how that was gonna work.

所以有人問這是怎麼工作的。

She lost in straight sets.

她直截了當地輸掉了比賽。

I've always found this matchup interesting.

我一直覺得這場比賽很有意思。

Obviously, there was 2018 at the US Open when Osaka beat Serena before and the last time Serena one was here in Australia.

很明顯，之前有2018年美網的時候，大坂擊敗了塞雷娜，上一次塞雷娜一是在澳網這裡。

That was when she was pregnant, just a reminder that she is our greatest athlete.

那是她懷孕的時候，只是提醒她是我們最偉大的運動員。

But after the match, she was asked a question, and her answer was very interesting.

但比賽結束後，有人問她一個問題，她的回答很有意思。

Terrible t up and play the clip Really poignant moment when you walked off the court to a standing ovation and you put your hand over your heart what was going through your head in that moment.

可怕的t了，並播放剪輯真的很傷感的時刻，當你走下球場站立鼓掌時，你把手放在你的心臟上，那一刻你的腦袋裡在想什麼。

Um, I don't know.

嗯，我不知道。

The Ozzy crowd is so amazing.

Ozzy的人群是如此驚人。

So it was nice to see people wondered if you were almost saying farewell.

所以大家看到很高興，不知道你是不是快告別了。

Yes, Um, I don't know if I If I ever say farewell, wouldn't tell anyone.

是的，嗯，我不知道如果我 如果我說再見，不會告訴任何人。

So So the last couple questions in the room, please, Craig.

所以... ...所以最後幾個問題 在房間裡，請，克雷格。

Then you're saying about the unforced errors through the match?

那你說的是整個比賽中的非受迫性失誤？

Considering how well you've played to get to this stage, what do you feel cause that it was just one of those bad days at the office?

考慮到你打得多好才到了這個階段，你覺得是什麼原因造成的，這只是辦公室裡那些糟糕的日子之一？

Oh, um, I don't know.

哦，嗯，我不知道。

I'm undead.

我是不死之身。

Obviously emotional.

明顯是感情用事。

She got emotional when being asked those questions.

當被問到這些問題時，她情緒激動。

And look, it's an emotional situation, if not for every reason, that you can think of this added reason of like the the people that are coming behind Serena.

你看，這是一個情緒化的情況下，如果不是因為每一個原因，你可以想到這個附加的原因，像塞麗娜背後的人。

The thing that I think makes this so beautiful are the people who would not be in this sport hypothetically, if it weren't for Serena and her sister and they say as much.

我覺得這件事很美，如果不是因為塞雷娜和她的妹妹，那些假想中不會從事這項運動的人，他們也這麼說。

And Naomi Osaka has been so high she praises Serena so much, and she's been so grateful and so gracious.

而大坂直美對塞雷娜的評價非常高，她一直很感激，也很親切。

Uh, in every time that there has to be impossible in an individual sport on such a big stage, to have the mental clarity to face off against the person you spend your life looking up to must be incredible, incredibly difficult.

呃，在每一次在這麼大的舞臺上的個人運動中，都要有不可能的事情，要有清醒的頭腦去面對你一生所仰望的人，一定是不可思議的，難以置信的困難。

And she should be commended for that.

她應該為此受到表揚。

But I also think the other side of that is how heavy that must weigh emotionally on Serena.

但我也認為，從另一個側面來看，這對塞雷娜的感情一定是多麼沉重。

But hopefully she can see through the parts of that that hurt and take away from that.

但希望她能看清其中受傷的部分，並從中吸取教訓。

The parts of that that air rewarding that she did this.

她這樣做的空氣獎勵的部分。

She has affected change in this sport and brought us this now generation of athletes who are incredible not just to beat her but because of her.

她影響了這項運動的變化，給我們帶來了現在這一代的運動員，他們都是不可思議的，不只是為了打敗她，而是因為她。

I hate this clip, but I think you're right, Katie.

我討厭這個片段，但我認為你是對的，凱蒂。

But I don't think that that makes her feel any better in the moment when we look at the roller Dex of Winds and her trophy room that she suddenly flexes on social media like we know that she was there.

但我不認為這讓她感覺更好的時刻，當我們看著風的滾筒Dex和她的獎盃室，她突然在社交媒體上彎曲，就像我們知道她在那裡。

But she's still a competitive and I think the Australian Open represents so much to her.

但她仍然是一個有競爭力的人，我認為澳洲公開賽對她來說代表了很多東西。

Not only was she pregnant, but it was also her last wind, so it's extremely emotional.

她不僅懷孕了，而且還是她的最後一縷風，所以非常感慨。

I had a modicum of success in basketball, right, like the 1st 21 years of my life, 15 went to playing ball and I was a wreck as a senior down the stretch like don't talk to me about this thing ending like I would burst out into tears.

我在籃球上有一點成功，對吧，就像我人生的前21年，有15年去打球，而我作為一個高三的學生，在最後階段是個廢人，就像不要跟我說這個事情的結局，就像我會哭出來一樣。

My coaches from this day, we still laugh about it.

我的教練從這天開始，我們還在笑。

He was like, What was wrong with you?

他說，你怎麼了？

You're insane because you pour your heart and soul into something.

你瘋了，因為你把你的心血傾注在某件事上。

And as you watched yesterday, sure, we're all excited about Naomi.

你昨天也看了，當然，我們都對Naomi感到興奮。

But it felt literally as you're watching that second set, Number 24 is getting farther and farther away.

但你在看第二局的時候，感覺真的是24號越來越遠了。

Yeah, I think Serena beyond being sincerely hyper competitive, as Monica mentioned, she also kind of knows where the conversation has been recently and where it's going and the fact that she will have to be subject to the same conversation that she very conspicuously opted out of at that podium.

是的 我覺得Serena除了真誠的超強競爭性之外 正如Monica所提到的 她也有點知道最近的話題在哪裡 以及話題的走向 以及她將不得不接受同樣的話題 而她在那個講臺上非常明顯地選擇了退出

Which is Is this the end for someone who has not won since she was pregnant in 2017 at that same Grand Slam tournament and the Naomi Osaka angle here?

這是一個自從2017年懷孕後就再也沒有贏過的人在那場大滿貫比賽中的結局，大坂直美的角度在這裡嗎？

Katie, to just build on what you had said before.

凱蒂，在你之前說過的基礎上再進一步。

It's more than just someone who was inspired.

這不僅僅是一個人的靈感。

It is a family.

這是一個家庭。

Naomi Osaka's dad and her mom, like her dad, an immigrant from Haiti, modeled himself after Richard Williams because he was watching Venus and Serena play at the French Open in 1999 on television.

大坂直美的爸爸和她的媽媽一樣，是來自海地的移民，因為1999年在電視上看維納斯和塞雷娜在法國公開賽上的比賽，所以以理查德-威廉姆斯為原型。

And so then this guy without much expertise in tennis says, I'm going to raise my daughter to be like them, and he does it.

然後這個沒有太多網球專業知識的傢伙說，我要把我的女兒培養成他們那樣的人，他就這樣做了。

And Naomi Osaka is doing all of these things that you referenced in terms of now being four no in Grand Slam semi finals, having having won her last three finals now being too and oh, against Serena in these last two major tournaments.

而大坂直美正在做的這些事情，你所提到的現在是大滿貫半決賽中的四不，已經贏得了她的最後三個決賽現在是太和哦，對塞雷娜在這兩個主要的比賽。

So for me, it is so much existentialism to put upon the shoulders off the greatest athlete ever, and it's really hard to carry.

所以對我來說，從一個最偉大的運動員身上背下來，是那麼多的存在感，真的很難背。

Yeah, it was a bummer, right?

是啊，這是一個無賴，對不對？

You want to root for Naomi, but you feel like the window for Serena is closing.

你想為Naomi加油 但你覺得Serena的窗口就要關閉了

So every time she gets this close, you just want her to get there to speak to the clip.

所以每次她離得這麼近的時候，你就想讓她到那裡對著夾子說話。

It is fascinating and intriguing If she said, when I do say farewell, I'm not going to tell anyone, that means we're not getting the victory lap.

這很吸引人，也很耐人尋味如果她說，當我真的告別時，我不會告訴任何人，這意味著我們沒有得到勝利圈。

We're not getting a warning.

我們沒有得到一個警告。

We're not going to know when it's coming unless she changes her mind.

除非她改變主意，否則我們不會知道它什麼時候來。

We're not gonna get her telling us this is my last Australian Open.

我們不會讓她告訴我們這是我最後一次參加澳洲公開賽。

This is my last friend show, but this is my last Wimbledon.

這是我最後一次朋友秀，但這是我最後一次溫網。

We might start to think so, but a lot of people want to send her out to pasture.

我們可能會開始這麼想，但很多人都想把她送出去放養。

Now she's still making quarters in semi.

現在，她還在做宿舍的半。

She's still getting really close.

她還真是越來越近了。

She's doing better than most tennis players will ever do at their peak.

她的表現比大多數網球運動員在巔峰時期的表現都要好。

So the idea that she would pull out when she keeps getting this close is kind of absurd to me.

所以，當她一直這麼接近的時候，她會退出的想法對我來說是有點荒謬的。

She's going to keep at it while she's still got a shot.

趁她還有機會，她要繼續努力。

And I think Katie and Pablo, your point is that it's kind of like the Tiger Woods thing, right?

我認為凱蒂和帕布羅，你的觀點是，這有點像老虎伍茲的事情，對不對？

You see the image of your own success and the people coming up after you.

你看到的是自己成功的形象，看到的是後起之秀。

Which means that not only is she doing the thing we've all very much recognized, which is chasing after Margaret Court, the one who came before her, but she's also potentially trying to put some distance between herself and the ones coming after because they're not gonna have to break down those doors.

這意味著她不僅在做我們都非常認可的事情，那就是追逐瑪格麗特・考特，在她之前的那個人，但她也有可能試圖在她自己和後來的人之間拉開一些距離，因為他們不會去打破那些門。

They're not gonna have to be the first.

他們不會是第一個。

They're not gonna have to be going through Indian Wells.

他們不需要通過印第安維爾斯。

We hope so, because she did all that for them and carried that out on her shoulders while winning.

我們希望如此，因為她為他們做了所有的事情，並在獲勝的同時將這些扛在肩上。

She makes it easier for them to pass her by if they can.

如果可以的話，她讓他們更容易從她身邊經過。

Not that that would be easy at all.

這一點也不容易。

But I could imagine the pressure of it now being on both sides.

但我可以想象現在雙方的壓力。

That's a really great point.

這一點真的很好。

And I appreciate you making it without saying something like existentialism, because Pablo just needs to sneak words like that in just so he can flex on us.

我很感激你沒有說存在主義之類的東西， 因為帕布羅只是需要偷偷摸摸的話語，這樣他就可以在我們身上發揮。

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