But I think considering the number of people who have been vaccinated, which are obviously in the millions and the fact that it's indiscriminate, they're black and whites and others that have taken the vaccine.

但我認為考慮到接種疫苗的人數，顯然是數以百萬計，而且是不分青紅皁白的，他們是黑人、白人和其他打過疫苗的人。

I do think it's time for all of us to adopt the mentality that if we have the opportunity to do it, it's something that we should do and if they come my way with it, I will take the vaccine.

我是覺得我們大家都應該抱著這樣的心態，如果有機會，這是我們應該做的事情，如果他們用這種方式來找我，我就打疫苗。

Let me address what you just said quickly.

讓我快速解決你剛才說的問題。

I think as Americans, we're used to a situation where money and power gives you greater access to things and people feel that that's normal.

我想作為美國人，我們已經習慣了這樣的情況，金錢和權力讓你有更多的機會獲得東西，人們覺得這很正常。

I think if I were running a league and I could get my hands on vaccines and I could legally distributed, I would to the players.

我想，如果我在經營一個聯盟，我可以得到我的手，我可以合法地分發疫苗，我會給球員。

If you're asking me is an independent arbiter, do I think that that's ethical or moral?

如果你問我是一個獨立的仲裁者，我認為那是道德還是倫理？

The answer is no, I don't so I disagree with you on principle but in practice, we probably see.

答案是沒有，我沒有，所以我原則上不同意你的觀點，但在實踐中，我們可能會看到。

I think there is a case to be made on economic lines along the ones you're making.

我覺得按照你說的經濟路線，是有道理的。

I think the best way to do it is what the most effective way we've seen internationally is you start with the oldest people because they're even more with underlying conditions.

我覺得最好的辦法就是我們在國際上看到的最有效的辦法就是你從最年長的人開始，因為他們更有基礎條件。

The oldest, you know, 85/75 over 65 over.

最老的，你知道的，85/75超過65超過。

Do it like that.

這樣做。

And people with underlying conditions and first responders and then the rest of us wait for it.

而有基礎條件的人和第一反應者，然後我們其他人就等著它。

But okay, it's a separate issue.

不過還好，這是一個單獨的問題。

I wanna address what met one Ron.

我想解決的是遇到一個羅恩。

Our test Metta world peace.

我們的考驗梅塔世界和平。

You know, Ron, whoever our test.

你知道的，羅恩，不管我們的測試是誰。

Now what?

現在怎麼辦？

He's one of my favorite people in the industry.

他是我最喜歡的人之一，在這個行業。

He's such a genuine dude.

他真是個真誠的人。

And I actually think here he makes a good point.

而其實我覺得這裡他說的很有道理。

Um, athletes should not be forced into positions where they must publicly espouse that they are affirmative, Lee, you know, they're They're they're they're putting their way.

嗯，運動員不應該被強迫進入位置 他們必須公開擁護 他們是平權，李，你知道，他們是 他們是他們把他們的方式。

Bond.

債券。

Yes.

是的，我知道

Everyone should do this because if they don't feel that way, then they shouldn't be forced into a hypocritical position.

每個人都應該這樣做，因為如果他們沒有這種感覺，那麼他們就不應該被強迫到一個虛偽的位置。

This is, however, if the vaccine is available and they opt not to take it.

但這是在有疫苗而他們選擇不服用的情況下。

They shouldn't play like that.

他們不應該這樣玩。

So if they don't but a public service announcement is something else, they should not be forced to do public service announcements, even if I think it's it's foolish not to.

所以，如果他們不做，但公益廣告是另外一種東西，他們不應該被強迫做公益廣告，即使我認為不做是很愚蠢的。

Now, let me tell you why.

現在，讓我告訴你為什麼。

I think it's foolish not doing what I think Their problem is in the Venn diagram, right?

我覺得不按我的想法去做是很愚蠢的，他們的問題在維恩圖上，對吧？

You have the different circles, and where they overlap is the shaded area.

你有不同的圓，它們重疊的地方就是陰影區域。

This is a perfect storm, another metaphor for it off of this vaccination issue.

這是一場完美的風暴，又是一場關乎疫苗接種問題的隱喻。

Number one, they're pro athletes.

第一，他們是職業運動員。

Pro athletes care about what they put in their body, and anyone here is Wait, I'm putting a dead disease in my body.

職業運動員很在意自己身體裡放的東西，這裡的人都是等等，我在身體裡放的是死病。

Even the thought of it's disturbing to a lot of people to me.

甚至連想一想都讓很多人覺得不安，我。

But you know, even if you understand the science very well, you still say, I just don't like the idea of it.

但你知道，即使你很瞭解科學，你還是會說，我就是不喜歡這個想法。

And pro athletes want to be sure about what they're ingesting unless it's gonna help them on the field of play.

而職業運動員要確定他們攝入的是什麼，除非它能在賽場上幫助他們。

Especially that's one to there's a lot of anti vax air nonsense out there, just nonsense and low quality information that many among us have have swallowed and kind of internalized and now believe the anti vax er industry is utter nonsense.

特別是那是一到有很多反毒氣的胡說八道，只是胡說八道和低質量的資訊，我們很多人都已經吞下了，並且有點內化了，現在認為反毒氣兒行業完全是胡說八道。

Nonsense, that's all.

胡說八道，就這樣。

It's nonsense, however.

不過，這是無稽之談。

There is an overlap there, too, because many in the population, including in the MBA, have subscribed to it.

這裡面也有重合的地方，因為很多人，包括MBA裡面的人，都認了。

As many people have subscribed to a lot of low quality information in recent years and misinformation and three, you mentioned it.

由於近年來很多人訂閱了很多低質量的資訊和錯誤信息，三是你提到了。

Stephen A.

Stephen A.

The United States has a bad history with African American people, don't they?

美國對非裔美國人的歷史很不好，不是嗎？

And including experiments on African American people, right?

包括在非洲裔美國人身上做實驗，對吧？

And so, if you are, yes, so if you're thinking well, I'm not gonna be you want me to take that?

所以，如果你是，是的，所以如果你想好了， 我不會是你要我拿？

Are we sure about this?

我們確定要這麼做嗎？

Are you experimenting on me?

你在我身上做實驗嗎？

I think all three things come into play here.

我認為這三樣東西在這裡都有作用。

All three things.

這三樣東西。

They want to know what they're putting in their body.

他們想知道他們在身體裡放了什麼。

They mistrust this country based on past experience, and there's a lot of anti vax or nonsense.

他們根據過去的經驗，不信任這個國家，有很多反麻藥或胡說八道。

It's creating a perfect storm.

它正在製造一場完美的風暴。

That, said Stephen A.

這一點，斯蒂芬-A說。

None of that's a good enough excuse not to take the vaccine if it's available.

如果有疫苗，這些都不足以成為不打疫苗的藉口。

I think if if it's available and an athlete turns it down, they shouldn't play.

我覺得如果有機會，而運動員拒絕了，他們就不應該打球。

That's different than saying you have to give a P ece ah public service announcement saying that you are for this even if you're against it.

這和說你要做一個P ece啊公益廣告，說你是支持這個的，即使你是反對的，也是不一樣的。

Two separate issues to me.

對我來說是兩個不同的問題。

I certainly don't believe they should be forced to do a P.

我當然不相信他們應該被迫做P。

S.

S.

A.

A.

I totally agree with you there.

我完全同意你的說法。

What I will say, however, is that the athletes themselves have put themselves in a position where people feel they should be compelled to do such a thing by by virtue of the reach that they have and how they flaunt that reach and the impact that it has.

但我要說的是，運動員自己把自己放在了一個位置上，讓人們覺得他們應該憑藉自己的影響力以及他們如何炫耀這種影響力和影響力而被迫做出這樣的事情。

Like for example, if you want to sit up there and address.

比如說，如果你想坐在上面講話。

And I know that there's apples and oranges and a lot of people's eyes, but not to me.

我知道，有蘋果和橘子，有很多人的眼光，但對我來說不是。

When you sit up there and you want to address racial injustice issues and you're talking about, it's not just about myself, it's about my family.

當你坐在那裡，你想解決種族不公的問題，你在談論，這不僅僅是關於我自己，這是關於我的家庭。

It's about my community, etcetera, etcetera well, in a different in a completely different kind of way.

這是關於我的社區，等等，等等好了，在不同的以一種完全不同的方式。

So is the coronavirus pandemic, because the fact that the matter is that when you get ill, chances are you could make someone else ill.

冠狀病毒大流行也是如此，因為事實是，當你生病的時候，你有可能會讓別人生病。

Chances are, is gonna be a member of your family or loved one, etcetera, etcetera.

機會是，是會是你的家人或夫妻，等等，等等。

And that reality being is pertinent as it is, does elevate the level of responsibility.

而這一現實是中肯的，因為它是，確實提升了責任的層次。

If you say on under any circumstances that something is not about you, it's about the impact that you know.

如果你在任何情況下都說有些事情與你無關，那就是你知道的影響。

You have the voice that you know you have the fact that you can give a voice to the voiceless, etcetera, etcetera.

你有聲音，你知道你有事實，你可以給沒有聲音的人發聲，等等，等等。

And that was impetus enough or motivation enough for you to take certain positions and to put yourself on front Street.

而這是足夠的動力或者說是足夠的動機，讓你採取某些立場，讓自己走上前街。

Then someone in the medical profession can simply come to you and say, Okay, we've got over 400,000 deaths nationwide.

然後醫學界的人就可以簡單地來跟你說，好吧，我們全國有40多萬人死亡。

We've got millions upon millions who have died from this worldwide.

全世界有數百萬人死於此病。

It's contagious, and there's a vaccine that is proven thus far that it could help derail that issue.

它是會傳染的，而且有一種疫苗，到目前為止已經被證實，它可以幫助破壞這個問題。

Do you not feel an obligation to do that?

你不覺得自己有義務這樣做嗎？

They can ask the question, And if you don't agree with them, okay, then you do have an obligation to articulate why you don't not just be silent and disappear.

他們可以提出問題，如果你不同意他們的觀點，好吧，那你確實有義務闡明你為什麼不直接沉默消失。

In other words, just like you gave a voice to everything else, you could give a voice to that to, even if you're following Max Kellerman suggestion.

換句話說，就像你給其他一切東西發聲一樣，你也可以給那個給發聲，即使你是按照馬克斯-凱勒曼的建議。

You shouldn't be mandated to do it.

你不應該被強制要求這樣做。

Just like you were willing to come out and speak intelligently and passionately about what you felt about other things that you felt affected the largest segments of our populous of our society.

就像你願意站出來，充滿智慧和激情地講述你對其他事情的感受，你覺得這些事情影響了我們社會中最大的一部分人。

Well, so does this.

嗯，這個也是。

And as a result, make sure you don't hide.

而結果，確保你不躲。

Don't just disappear.

不要只是消失。

Don't just be quiet.

不要只是安靜。

Just don't just go away.

只是不要就這麼走了。

If you were speaking out before it's relevant to speak out about it now, Why you think I spoke about it this morning because we were on the air talking about our hesitancy with Kovar.

如果你之前是說出來的，現在說出來是有關係的，為什麼你認為我今天早上說了，因為我們在直播中說到我們和科瓦的猶豫。

19 believe for vaccinations and stuff like that.

19相信對於疫苗接種之類的東西。

But once it happens, would you be willing to do it, Stephen A.

但是一旦發生，你會願意做嗎，斯蒂芬-A。

Would you be willing to do it?

你願意做嗎？

Max and Mollie, we talked about this.

麥克斯和莫莉，我們談過這個問題 Max and Mollie, we talked about this.

So now that it's an issue, we don't get too hard and be quiet.

所以，既然是個問題，我們就不要太硬氣，靜下心來。

We gotta be front and center with our positions about that now, too, just like we are about everything else.

我們現在也要以我們的立場為中心，就像我們對其他事情一樣。

That's all I'm saying.

這就是我想說的。