And pretty much everyone who has played basketball since he did idolizes him.

而從他開始，幾乎所有打過籃球的人都以他為偶像。

The one the only Dr J.

唯一的J博士

Julius Irving is with me here on ESPN radio.

朱利葉斯-歐文在ESPN電臺和我一起。

Good morning, Dr J.

早上好，J博士

Good morning, Greeny.

早上好，小綠。

How are you today?

你今天怎麼樣？

Listen, if you had told me when I was a kid that someday I would say good morning to you when you would call me greeny, I would have said I'm gonna have the best life of anybody.

聽著，如果我小時候你告訴我，有一天我會跟你說早安，你叫我綠仔的時候，我會說我的生活會比任何人都好。

Well, so there we go.

好了，所以我們去。

You know, I told the story earlier, by the way, about you today that I don't know if if I ever had a chance to tell you, but I'm sure you haven't heard.

你知道嗎，我之前說過的故事，順便說一下，今天關於你的故事，我不知道有沒有機會告訴你，但我相信你一定沒有聽說過。

In 2000 and eight, when I was hosting Mike and Mike, we had the two presidential candidates at the time, Then Senator Obama and Senator McCain on the show, and we we made it.

在2000年和8，當我主持邁克和邁克，我們有兩個總統候選人的時候，然後奧巴馬參議員和麥凱恩參議員在節目中，我們我們做到了。

We didn't want to show any favoritism, so we asked them all the same questions and one of the questions we asked Waas, who was your favorite athlete growing up, and Senator McCain said.

我們不想表現出任何偏袒，所以我們問了他們同樣的問題，其中有一個問題我們問華斯，你從小最喜歡的運動員是誰，麥凱恩參議員說。

Ted Williams and then Senator Obama said, You Julius Erving, Have you ever had that conversation with him?

泰德-威廉姆斯和奧巴馬參議員說，你朱利葉斯-埃文，你和他有過這樣的對話嗎？

I have.

我有。

You know, I've had the privilege.

你知道，我有這個特權。

It was actually in 2016, and my family and I, my attorney and my nephew visited President Obama in September of 2020 16.

其實是在2016年，我和我的家人，我的律師和我的侄子在2020年9月16日拜訪了奧巴馬總統。

And, you know, I presented them with a a assigned Converse shoe, which which she enjoyed receiving.

而且，你知道，我向他們贈送了一隻指定的匡威鞋，她很喜歡接受。

Uh, you know, and he presented me with the story of being one of his heroes when he was growing up.

呃，你知道，他給我的故事 是他成長過程中的一個英雄。

That touched me in a very special way because, you know, it's not something you know, people just talk about every day.

這以一種非常特別的方式觸動了我，因為，你知道，這不是什麼你知道的，人們只是每天談論。

And it's not something that it happens to.

而這不是發生在它身上的事情。

You know, a person regarding a president of the United States, especially one you know, who had who had eight years in office and did the bang up job that he did?

你知道，一個人關於美國總統， 特別是一個你知道的，誰有誰有8年的辦公室 並做了他所做的爆炸性工作？

Yeah, it's got to be something.

是啊，一定是有原因的。

I mean, it's one thing for Michael Jordan to say he grew up idolizing you.

我是說，邁克爾-喬丹說他從小崇拜你是一回事。

It's another thing when the president of the United States says I grew up idolizing you, the great Dr James with me, all right, so they put a bunch of stats up here for me and and most of them I don't need.

這是另一回事，當美國總統說我從小把你當偶像，偉大的詹姆斯博士跟我一起長大，好吧，所以他們在這裡給我放了一堆數據，而且大部分數據我都不需要。

So the 1983 sixes.

所以1983年的六人組。

We'll get to today's game in a minute.

我們馬上就會進入今天的比賽。

But I like talking to guys like you about when you play.

但我喜歡和你這樣的人談論你玩的時候。

So the 1983 Philadelphia 70 Sixers, legendarily known as the Foa Foa Foa Sixers with You and Moses and Mo Cheeks and I've Baroni and Andrew, Tony and Bobby Jones and on and on I have said many times, is not remembered enough because for one season I thought you were the best team I ever saw.

所以1983年的費城70六人隊，傳說中被稱為福阿福阿六人隊，有你和摩西和莫-切克斯，還有我巴羅尼和安德魯，託尼和鮑比-瓊斯等等，我已經說過很多次了，但人們對他們的記憶還不夠深刻，因為有一個賽季，我認為你們是我見過的最好的球隊。

And people because the Celtics and the Lakers at that time and then the Bulls a generation later, won multiple titles.

而人們因為當時的凱爾特人和湖人，再到一代人之後的公牛，獲得了多個冠軍。

When people talk about the best teams, they don't tend to mention that.

當人們談論最好的團隊時，他們往往不會提到這一點。

But for one, would you take your chances with that team for anyone season against any team that has ever been assembled?

但是，對於一個人來說，你會不會在任何一個賽季對任何一支曾經組建的球隊進行冒險？

Well, of course I would, you know.

我當然會，你知道的。

I mean, I grew up idolizing the guys who came before me.

我的意思是，我從小就以那些前輩為偶像。

Bill Russell on 11 championships in 13 years.

比爾-拉塞爾在13年內獲得11個冠軍。

Phenomenal.

現象級的。

Oscar Robertson, the big old you know, even though he only had the the one championship in Milwaukee when he was playing with Kareem Abdul Jabbar or whatever.

奧斯卡-羅伯遜，你知道的，儘管他只有一個冠軍 在密爾沃基，當他與Kareem阿卜杜勒-賈巴爾或什麼的玩。

Still pound for pound, Probably probably the best of the best on.

還是斤斤計較，大概可能是最好的上。

And you know, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor.

你知道，傑裡・韋斯特，埃爾金・貝勒。

Well, Chamberlain, you know, I'm never going to, uh, really put anybody ahead of those guys when I picked my all time team.

張伯倫，你知道，我永遠不會，呃，真的把任何人放在他們前面，當我選擇我的歷史團隊。

I mean, you know, I love watching LeBron and Magic and Larry Bird, Kareem and Moses.

我是說，你知道，我喜歡看勒布朗和魔術師，還有拉里-伯德，卡里姆和摩西。

But, you know, when I was 15 years old, I said, It's West Baylor, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West and Wilt Chamberlain.

但是，你知道，當我15歲的時候，我說，這是西貝勒，奧斯卡-羅伯特森，傑裡-韋斯特和威爾特-張伯倫。

Uh, you know, next week I'll be 71.

呃，你知道，下週我就71歲了。

That's still my team.

這還是我的團隊。

That's my first teen.

這是我的第一個少年。

Everybody else starts with becoming the sixth man 6 to 10, 11 through 15.

其他人都從成為第六人開始6到10，11到15。

You know, I you know, one of those guys, one of those principal guys, you know, principles guide you values.

你知道，我... ...你知道，那些傢伙之一，那些主要的傢伙之一，你知道，原則指導你的價值觀。

So I So I value that team more more than any other.

所以我所以我更看重那支球隊，而不是其他任何球隊。

And you know, that's an all star team.

你知道，這是一個全明星團隊。

When it comes to teams that got out there and won the championship, nobody's gonna be 12 and one, you know.

當談到球隊在那裡贏得了冠軍， 沒有人會是12和1，你知道。

I mean, it was foe foe foe and one loss to Milwaukee, which was our nemesis and wear not that man at that situation.

我的意思是，這是敵人的敵人和一個輸給密爾沃基，這是我們的剋星，穿不是那個人在這種情況下。

But nobody's gonna be 12.

但沒有人會是12歲。

And when I think the Bulls was 16 to and they're probably a few others who have lost three games or four games or whatever, but, you know, until somebody beats 12 and one, they should put us into the number one spot.

而當我認為公牛隊是16到，他們可能是其他一些人已經失去了三場比賽或四場比賽或任何東西，但是，你知道，直到有人擊敗12和1，他們應該把我們放在第一的位置。

You guys were awfully good.

你們是非常好的。

The doctor is with me.

醫生和我在一起。

Julius Erving.

Julius Erving

Let me ask you this when we talk about great players now, a big part of the conversation is how maney rings they have, how many championships that is such a huge part off the way we identify and, uh, judge value the greatness of players.

讓我問你，當我們現在談論偉大的球員時，談話的很大一部分是他們有多少枚戒指，多少個冠軍，這是我們識別和判斷球員的偉大價值的方式的一個重要部分。

What do you think of using that is part of the evaluation of the players greatness?

你怎麼看用這是評價球員偉大的一部分？

Do you think it's the championship?

你覺得是冠軍嗎？

Should be as important as they seem to have become when we evaluated players Greatness?

應該是重要的，因為他們似乎已經成為我們評估球員偉大的時候？

Well, I think ultimately, you know you have to have the crowning moment.

好吧，我想最終，你知道 你必須有最高的時刻。

You know, where you're a champion as Faras champion, multiple times being the determining factor in team sport.

你知道，在那裡你是一個冠軍作為法拉斯冠軍，多次是團隊運動的決定因素。

You know, it's a little different than golf and and tennis, you know, and golf you could win, you could win a major tournament.

你知道，這和高爾夫和網球有點不同，你知道，高爾夫你可以贏，你可以贏一場大型比賽。

And it takes you Thursday to Sunday to win a major tournament on basketball.

而在籃球上，你需要從週四到週日贏得一場大型比賽。

You know, it takes you September to June, uh, Thio, claim the major, and then you need 11 other guys who are in sync with you.

你知道，你需要9月到6月，呃，Thio，要求主要的，然後你需要11個和你同步的人。

You know who make it.

你知道是誰做的。

You know, who make it a reality.

你知道，誰讓它成為現實。

S o.

S o.

I think, you know, in team sports, you know, we are, We are groomed and we're trained.

我想，你知道，在團隊運動中，你知道，我們是，我們是培養和訓練出來的。

And we're, you know, we're focused on the ultimate prize.

而我們，你知道，我們專注於最終的獎品。

Uh, used to be a lot more so back in the day than now.

呃，以前的時候比現在多了很多。

I mean, I see.

我的意思是，我明白了。

I see the celebration now on, you know, I remember.

我看到現在的慶祝活動，你知道，我記得。

Yeah, I might do something spectacular, but I wouldn't dare celebrate until riding the bus back to school If we won the game, if you didn't win the game, you just get on the bus and shut up.

是啊，我可能會做一些壯觀的事情，但我不敢慶祝，直到坐公車回學校，如果我們贏得了比賽，如果你沒有贏得比賽，你只是在公車上，閉嘴。

It's like, all right, we got practice and we got practice when we get back, or we got practice the next day or whatever.

這就像，好吧，我們得到了實踐，我們得到了實踐，當我們回來，或者我們得到了實踐的第二天或什麼。

There was known, uh, premature, uh, celebrations.

有已知的，呃，過早的，呃，慶祝活動。

And now they're celebrations.

而現在他們是在慶祝。

I mean, every play, it's just like, you know, doing something that you know, you're trained to do you work so hard to be able to do, And then when you do it, you know, you gotta let out this, this growl that this, uh, we're own or pump your chest jump up on the scars table, believe your fist and whatever.

我的意思是，每一場比賽，它只是喜歡，你知道，你做的東西，你知道，你的訓練，你的工作這麼辛苦，能夠做到，然後當你這樣做，你知道，你得讓這個，這個咆哮，這個，呃，我們自己的，或泵你的胸部跳躍在疤痕表，相信你的拳頭什麼的。

So, you know, I guess it's every is counting every second of every day.

所以，你知道，我想這是每一個都在計算每一天的每一秒。

And, you know, letting it work for you in terms of how it affects your emotions.

而且，你知道，讓它為你工作 在它如何影響你的情緒。

Whatever.

管他呢

So you know, guys are winning championship every week, you know, based on some of the reaction to some of the highlights.

所以，你知道，夥計們每週都在贏得冠軍，你知道，基於一些反應的一些亮點。

Uh, it's kind of crazy.

呃，這是一種瘋狂。

And I'm you know, I'm old school and, you know, maybe I'm hating a little bit whatever, because I probably had a lot of celebratory moments that, you know, I just just didn't celebrate because it wasn't part of my my DNA.

我... ...你知道，我是老派的，而且，你知道，也許我是恨有點什麼，因為我可能有很多慶祝的時刻，你知道，我只是沒有慶祝，因為它不是我的我的DNA的一部分。

And the ultimate goal was to, you know, when the league title, when the division title, when the championship.

而最終的目標是，你知道，當聯賽冠軍，當分區冠軍，當冠軍。

So, you know, my experience is there, uh, with the A B A and the two championships over there, and then the chase with title in Philly, which was basically a seven year chase.

所以，你知道，我的經驗是在那裡，呃，與A B A和兩個冠軍在那邊，然後與冠軍的追逐在費城，這基本上是一個七年的追逐。

I mean, we went to the play.

我的意思是，我們去玩。

We play for the championship four times in seven years, so just getting there four times it's quite in the accomplishment makes sound a little bit like the Buffalo Bills.

我們在七年內打了四次總冠軍，所以只要到了四次就很有成就感，讓人聽起來有點像布法羅比爾隊。

But getting there, uh, in year seven waas, you know, ultimately something that if it hadn't happened, uh, I think I might be viewed a little differently, but not a whole lot differently, because, you know, guys know how to market themselves and sell themselves these days.

但在第七年的時候，你知道，最終的事情，如果沒有發生，我想我可能會有一點不同的看法，但也不是完全不同，因為，你知道，現在的人都知道如何推銷自己，推銷自己。

So, guys, you know, guys without rings doing doing very well and have made that transition from player to former player and you could do it.

所以，夥計們，你知道，沒有戒指的人做得很好，已經完成了從球員到前球員的轉變，你可以做到這一點。

So on the other side of the coin is you know, you guys you have guys with six or seven rings who probably never played in the All Star Game.

所以在硬幣的另一面是，你知道，你們這些傢伙，你們有六七個戒指的人，他們可能從來沒有參加過全明星賽。

I think Robert Horry, in that sense, uh, you know, great ring collector and great, uh, factor on winning teams.

我認為羅伯特-霍里，在這個意義上， 呃，你知道，偉大的戒指收藏家和偉大的，呃，因素的勝利球隊。

Uh, multiple times.

呃，多次。

Um, probably not on the ballot for the Hall of Fame unless they decide.

嗯，可能不在名人堂的選票上，除非他們決定。

Well, we're gonna put you in the Hall of Fame because you've got a lot of rings.

我們要把你送進名人堂 因為你有很多枚戒指

The great Dr J is with me here, Julius Irving, and I'm just looking back at your statistics.

偉大的J博士和我在一起，朱利葉斯-歐文 我只是在看你的數據。

Your final year in the N.

你在北大的最後一年。

B.

B.

A.

A.

Was your age 36 season, and I certainly remember that season for you.

是你36歲的賽季，我當然記得那個賽季的你。

LeBron James is 36 right now and and is playing at or at least near the very best he ever has.

勒布朗-詹姆斯現在已經36歲了，並且正在打出或者至少是接近他曾經的最佳狀態。

So what do you think of that?

那麼，你怎麼看呢？

When you see these athletes that are able to play, I'm sure a lot of it has to do with all sorts of things nutrition and whatever else that is.

當你看到這些能夠打球的運動員，我相信很多都和各種營養和其他什麼東西有關。

But what do you make of a guy like LeBron in particular who is doing what he is doing at the age of 36?

但是，你怎麼看待像勒布朗這樣的人，尤其是他在36歲的時候還在做什麼？

I think it's phenomenal.

我認為這是驚人的。

I think it's a part of theory.

我認為這是理論的一部分。

Jinnah plan in terms of coming out of high school, Um, and knowing that, you know, this is gonna be the statement for its life, you know, playing basketball.

吉娜計劃在高中畢業後，嗯，知道，你知道，這將是其生活的聲明，你知道，打籃球。

I'm gonna be a professional basketball player.

我要成為一名職業籃球運動員。

And I'm gonna be out there asl ong as I could be there, and I'm gonna accomplish as much as I can accomplish.

我會在那裡儘可能的在那裡， 我會完成儘可能多的，我可以完成。

You know, when I came out of high school.

你知道，當我走出高中，

I was trying to be a a student athlete at the University of Massachusetts on then, you know, a group three inches and gained £30 while in college.

我試圖成為一個學生運動員在馬薩諸塞大學對然後，你知道，一組三英寸和獲得30英鎊，而在大學。

And my career path certainly changed from wanting to study business and goto work and some from New York, uh, to becoming a professional athlete and hoping that I could go there.

而我的職業道路當然也發生了變化，從想學商科，到紐約工作，再到成為一名職業運動員，希望自己能去那裡。

I could play there for 10 years, you know?

我可以在那裡玩10年，你知道嗎？

And so the mindset totally different during that time when I got to 10 years, I was like, Man, that went fast, you know?

所以心態完全不一樣，在那段時間裡，當我到了10年的時候，我就想，夥計，過得真快，你知道嗎？

So, you know, I signed a new deal, and next thing I know, I'm 13 years, 14 years on.

所以，你知道，我簽了一個新的協議， 接下來的事情我知道，我13年，14年了。

The next thing I know, I'm at 16 years, and you know, I'm figuring I need to figure out what I'm gonna do the rest of my life.

接下來的事情我知道，我在16歲， 你知道，我想我需要弄清楚 什麼我打算做我的餘生。

I haven't I haven't made enough.

我還沒有... ...我還沒有賺夠。

You know, during the course of my 16 years, I probably came close to making $16 million whatever and, you know, spent two thirds of that lifestyle and and so suddenly the net take away waas.

你知道，在我16年的時間裡，我大概接近賺了1600萬，不管是什麼，你知道，花了三分之二的生活方式，所以突然間，我的淨收入就被拿走了。

All right.

好吧，我知道了

You know, I got about four thio start my life with or whatever he's gonna have, like, 400 What?

你知道，我有大約4個Thio開始我的生活，或任何他要去有，像，400什麼？

What, what what?

什麼，什麼什麼？

He's finished.

他完蛋了。

Like he said more than that.

就像他說的不止這些。

And also, it's not over until he says it's over.

而且，在他說結束之前，還沒有結束。

And, you know, look at Tom Brady's accomplishments in football.

而且，你知道，看看湯姆-布雷迪在足球方面的成就。

Guys going well into their forties on playing at a very high level of the highest level possible and in team sport you could do that.

男人們進入他們的四十歲上打在一個非常高的水準的最高水準，在團隊運動中，你可以做到這一點。

Individual sports is it's a lot tougher and, generationally speaking, it's a lot tougher, you know, you look Attman.

個人運動是它的難度很大，從輩分上來說，它的難度很大，你看阿特曼。

Larry Bird finished, and you know, he was in his early thirties and Michael Jordan was in his early thirties, whatever.

拉里-伯德說完，你知道，他才三十出頭，邁克爾-喬丹也才三十出頭，管他呢。

So the norm is especially for the previous generations to finish, you know, in your early to middle thirties eso LeBron is a phenomenon and that I think I think I think he put a fire under Carmelo Anthony because we came in together, you know?

是以，規範是特別是上一代人完成，你知道，在你的早期到中期三十多歲埃索勒布朗是一個現象，我認為我認為我認為他把一個火下卡梅羅安東尼，因為我們進來一起，你知道嗎？

You know, I'm hobbling up and down the court and this guy, you know, the balance for M v P.

你知道，我在法庭上走來走去，這個傢伙，你知道，M訴P的平衡。

So he tightened up his game and got on a nice program, and now he's playing better.

所以他加強了比賽，上了一個不錯的項目，現在他打得更好了。

So yeah, LeBron is the new model.

所以啊，勒布朗是新的模式。

Dr.

博士

J.

J.

It is such a pleasure to talk to you.

很高興能和你交談。

Thank you so much.

非常感謝你。

A happy early birthday to you as you mentioned.

如你所言，祝你生日快樂，早生貴子。

This is coming up next week.

下週就要到了。

It's great to see you.

很高興見到你

Thank you so much.

非常感謝你。

We'll check in again soon.

我們會很快再來檢查。

Be well.

要好好的。

Thank you, Granny.

謝謝你，奶奶。

Thank you for watching ESPN on YouTube for live streaming sports and premium content.

感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

Subscribe to ESPN, plus.

訂閱ESPN，加。