It's simple for me, like it really boils down to the example you made in basketball.

對我來說很簡單，就像你在籃球中做出的榜樣一樣，它真的是歸根結底。

If LeBron and Jordan bet in the finals in Jordan, beat LeBron as an older player, LeBron wouldn't be in the gold conversation.

如果勒布朗和喬丹在總決賽中打賭，在喬丹，以老球員的身份擊敗勒布朗，勒布朗就不會進入金牌話題。

Now we would talk about him being the most talented and one of the best to ever do it.

現在我們會說他是最有才華的人，也是最優秀的人之一。

But when we got this matchup head to head, I firmly believe that Patrick Mahomes needed toe win this game in order to be in the gold conversation.

但當我們拿到這場對決的時候，我堅信帕特里克-馬霍姆斯需要趾高氣揚地贏下這場比賽，才能進入黃金對話。

Legitimately.

合法的。

When we start talking about the longevity of a career, there's a lot of things Patrick Mahomes it's still going to do.

當我們開始談論職業生涯的壽命時，有很多事情帕特里克-馬霍姆斯它仍然會做。

He's going toe, win some more Super Bowls.

他要去，贏得更多的超級碗。

But we're all going to remember that Tom Brady was 43 when they met in the Super Bowl, and he beat him.

但我們都會記得，湯姆-布雷迪43歲時，他們在超級碗中相遇，他擊敗了他。

We're also gonna remember in 2018, when Tom Brady beat him in the A F C championship, so Patrick Mahomes needed this game.

我們也會記得在2018年，湯姆-布雷迪在A F C冠軍中擊敗了他，所以帕特里克-馬霍姆斯需要這場比賽。

In order for this conversation to go further, Patrick Mahomes may break every Tom Brady record when it comes to passing yards and all of those things, which probably will happen with with how the league is now and what they do offensively in Kansas City.

為了讓這個對話更進一步，帕特里克-馬霍姆斯可能會打破每一個湯姆-布雷迪的記錄，當它涉及到傳球碼數和所有這些事情時，這可能會發生與聯盟現在的情況以及他們在堪薩斯城的進攻方式。

But when we start talking about the goat, we don't talk.

但當我們開始談論山羊的時候，我們不說話。

We don't need to have a conversation about Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady.

我們不需要討論帕特里克-馬霍姆斯和湯姆-布雷迪的問題。

Tom Brady is in a league of his own when it comes to go.

湯姆-布雷迪在走的時候，是有自己的特點的。

And for me, quite frankly, in professional team sports, this is This has become way bigger than Patrick Mahomes.

對我來說，坦率地說，在職業球隊運動中，這已經成為比帕特里克-馬霍姆斯更重要的方式。

That's why I go back to the first argument we had about Tom Brady, Um, being the most impressive Super Bowl run.

這就是為什麼我回到我們第一次爭論湯姆-布雷迪，嗯，是最令人印象深刻的超級碗。

We don't do these things at 43 years old.

我們在43歲的時候不會做這些事情。

This doesn't happen.

這不會發生。

If I told you years ago a 43 year old quarterback that changed teams in the middle of a global pandemic was going to go on and win a Super Bowl against teams in quarterbacks that have been together, that you know who they are, identity wise and have a plan, then you would have told me I was crazy and I shouldn't be on television, period.

如果我幾年前告訴你一個43歲的四分衛，在全球流行病中換了球隊，要去贏得超級碗，對陣那些一直在一起的四分衛球隊，你知道他們是誰，身份方面，有一個計劃，那麼你會告訴我，我是瘋了，我不應該上電視，就這樣。

So, look, the gold conversation is over for everybody that wants to talk about this in the NFL and compare thing.

所以，你看，黃金對話已經結束了，大家都想在NFL談論這個問題，比較事情。

Look, we know we Aaron Rodgers is more talented than Tom Brady and has done better things from the optic standpoint, playing the position in Tom Brady.

你看，我們知道我們阿倫-羅傑斯比湯姆-布雷迪更有天賦，從光學的角度來看，他做了更好的事情，在湯姆-布雷迪打位置。

Patrick Mahomes has taken that to another level.

帕特里克-馬霍姆斯已經把這一點提升到了另一個高度。

The bottom line is when we start talking about goat also, LeBron does some things athletically that Jordan couldn't do.

最重要的是，當我們開始談論山羊也，勒布朗在運動上做了一些喬丹做不到的事情。

But the reason why people talk about Jordan being the goat is because of the insurmountable accomplishments period like that.

但人們之所以說喬丹是山羊，是因為這樣不可逾越的成就期。

That e do you know You know about Giorgio, man, this ain't about this.

你知道喬治的事，夥計，這不是這個。

Ain't about yeah, LeBron 68 All of that.

不是關於耶，勒布朗68所有的。

God getting stuff anyway.

反正上帝得到的東西。

Tom Brady beating Patrick Mahomes head to head, I believe not.

湯姆-布雷迪正面擊敗帕特里克-馬霍姆斯，我相信不會。

Not Patrick Mahomes out of the goat conversation.

不是帕特里克-馬霍姆斯出山羊的對話。

If we didn't have totally reasonable way to speculate, then we could both.

如果我們沒有完全合理的方式來推測，那麼我們既可以。

All right, that's a totally reasonable position toe have.

好吧，這是一個完全合理的立場有。

And it's probably right.

而且可能是對的。

What I'm saying is the door isn't closed.

我說的是門沒有關上。

And the reason I'm saying this is look, that game was so clearly a line of scrimmage game one guy was running for his life.

我之所以這麼說，是因為你看，那場比賽很明顯是一場線上比賽，一個人在逃命。

The other guy had all the time in the U talk about history like that.

另一個人在U裡有的是時間這樣談論歷史。

We're not gonna talk about that.

我們不會談論這個。

We're not gonna.

我們不會的

History will not talk about that.

歷史不會談論這些。

Max.

最多。

Max, don't do it.

麥克斯，不要這樣做。

Don't do it way.

不要這樣做。

No history will bring matters going forward.

沒有歷史會使事情向前發展。

It depends what happens going forward if, for example, they link up again next season and this time.

這要看今後會發生什麼，比如，他們下賽季再聯動，而這次。

And this time no one has a decimated offensive line and Mahomes wins.

而這次沒有人的進攻線被破壞，馬霍姆贏了。

What that will demonstrate to a lot of people is well, yeah, because on a level playing field, Mahomes team won.

這將向很多人證明的是，是的，因為在公平競爭的環境下，馬霍姆斯隊贏了。

It depends on what happens going forward.

這要看今後的情況。

If Mahomes never wins another Super Bowl or wins one MAWR, he ain't gonna be in the conversation if that happens.

如果Mahomes再也沒有贏得超級碗或者贏得一次MAWR，如果發生這種情況，他就不會在談話中。

But if he gets him in a rematch and Mahomes winds up with five championships, by the way the odds were against Mahomes winning five championships, it's hard to win even one.

但如果他在複賽中得到他，而馬霍姆獲得五冠，按理說馬霍姆獲得五冠的概率，連一個冠軍都很難獲得。

That's why Brady's the go right.

這就是為什麼布雷迪是最合適的人選。

But if Mahomes is able to do that and shatters every record, he'll be back in the conversation.

但如果馬霍姆斯能夠做到這一點，並打破所有的記錄，他將重新回到對話中。

We disagree, bro.

我們不同意，兄弟。

Like when you get a chance when you get a chance for when you get a chance to be the future goat, when you get a chance to be the future gold and that's the conversation.

比如你什麼時候有機會什麼時候有機會做未來的羊，什麼時候有機會做未來的金子，這就是對話。

We had no chance.

我們沒有機會。

But you actually play the goat and you lose.

但實際上你玩羊，你就輸了。

You are removed from that conference.

你被從會議上除名。

There was no chance, Marcus, Thanks for watching ESPN on YouTube for live streaming sports and premium content subscribed to ESPN plus.

沒有機會，馬庫斯，謝謝你在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和訂閱ESPN plus的優質內容。