Yesterday, Mark Cuban confirmed that his team had stopped playing the national anthem before games.

昨天，馬克-庫班證實，他的球隊已經停止在比賽前播放國歌。

Cuban said he made the decision not to play the national anthem after consulting with N B A commissioner Adam Silver.

庫班表示，他是在與N B A專員亞當-西爾弗協商後，做出不奏國歌的決定。

But now, today, MBA chief communications officer Mike Bass issued this statement saying Quote With NBA teams now in the process of welcoming fans back to their arenas, all teams will play the national anthem in keeping with longstanding league policy.

但現在，今天，MBA首席傳播官邁克-巴斯發表了這一聲明，他說 Quote 隨著NBA各支球隊現在正在歡迎球迷回到場館，所有球隊都將按照聯盟長期以來的政策奏響國歌。

So an interesting situation has developed here, and I'm thrilled to now welcome in Mavericks team owner Mark Cuban will have Team CEO sent Marshall joining us in a minute as well.

所以這裡出現了一個有趣的情況，我很高興現在歡迎小牛隊的球隊老闆馬克-庫班將球隊CEO派馬紹爾也在一分鐘內加入我們。

But Mark, take me through a little bit how you guys came to this decision and then what the conversations were in the past 24 hours that led to this morning.

但是馬克，帶我去了解一下你們是如何做出這個決定的，然後在過去的24小時裡，你們的對話是什麼，導致了今天早上。

There is the release issued by the league overturning that.

有聯盟頒佈發表推翻。

Let me take you because there's a lot of misinformation out there.

讓我帶你走，因為有很多錯誤的資訊在那裡。

Um, first we were always talking to our community.

嗯，首先我們一直在和我們的社區交流。

I mean, that's something since stands for, and it is very insistent apart and has become a a core part of who we are at the Dallas Mavericks and listening to the community, there were quite a few people that voice their.

我的意思是，這是自代表的東西，它是非常堅持分開，並已成為我們是誰在達拉斯小牛隊和聽社區的核心部分，有不少人的聲音他們。

Their concerns were really there were fears that the national anthem and did not fully represented not fully represent them, that their voices were not being heard.

他們的擔憂是真的有擔心，國歌和沒有充分代表不完全代表他們，他們的聲音沒有被聽到。

And so we've had a lot of conversations about whether or not we should play the anthem.

所以我們有很多關於我們是否應該播放國歌的對話。

And so during the first pre season game, we decided toe not play it and just see what the response waas Um, knowing that we were going to have ongoing conversations about it, we didn't make any decision.

所以在賽季前的第一場比賽中，我們決定不玩這個遊戲，看看大家的反應是什麼，我們知道我們會不斷地討論這個問題，我們沒有做出任何決定。

Thio never play the national anthem.

從來不播放國歌。

That wasn't the case at all.

根本不是這樣的。

We didn't cancel the national anthem.

我們沒有取消國歌。

We still had our flag flying proud and up on the wall of the American Airlines Center, and everybody had the opportunity to address it and, you know, pray to it or salute to it.

我們的國旗仍然驕傲地飄揚在美國航空中心的牆上，每個人都有機會向它致意，你知道，向它祈禱或向它致敬。

Or however whatever their feelings are on DWI, you know, as the games went by, you know, honestly, we we kept on talking about what we were going to do at some point, but obviously it came to the head when it was reported that at one of our games, Um, that we hadn't played it.

或者不管他們對酒後駕車的感覺如何，你知道，隨著比賽的進行，你知道，說實話，我們我們一直在談論我們要做的事情，在某些時候，但很明顯，它來到了頭，當它被報道，在我們的一個遊戲，嗯，我們沒有玩過它。

But, you know, the bottom line is we had always discussed the fact that we probably won't end up playing it at some point.

但是，你知道，底線是我們一直討論的事實，我們可能不會最終在某些時候玩它。

Probably went.

可能是去了。

Fans came back, but there was never any final decision that had made that we would not play the anthem.

球迷們回來了，但從來沒有任何最後的決定，我們不會播放國歌。

And then what were the conversations you had over the past 24 hours since it came into the news that you guys had not been playing it since someone noticed frankly and started asking about it?

然後在過去的24小時裡，自從有人坦然注意到並開始問起這件事後，你們就沒有再玩了，你們有什麼對話？

What was the back and forth between you and the league office?

你和聯盟辦公室之間有什麼來往？

Nothing, really.

沒什麼，真的。

I mean, I talked to him, though, Adam, um, and got his feedback and gave him my feedback that, you know, we had people who were upset by it, and we're passionate and then being upset.

我的意思是，我跟他，雖然，亞當，嗯，並得到了他的反饋，並給了他我的反饋，你知道，我們有誰不高興的人，我們的激情，然後被打破。

And we had people that fully supported it that you know, a lot of people said that they don't understand why you know, the anthem is played prior to a game.

我們有人完全支持它，你知道， 很多人說，他們不明白 為什麼你知道，國歌是在比賽前播放。

Others said, you know, it shouldn't be played prior to the game.

還有人說，你知道，比賽前不應該玩。

Others said it didn't represent them, and they're concerned about being played and it made them uncomfortable, and we talked about all the different feedback that we had received.

其他人說這不代表他們，他們擔心被玩弄，這讓他們不舒服，我們談到了我們收到的所有不同的反饋。

And how did they come to the decision then that everybody would play the anthem, including the Mavericks?

那他們又是怎麼決定大家都要奏國歌的，包括小牛隊？

Did you have that conversation first, before the press release went out?

在新聞稿發出之前，你是否先進行過這樣的對話？

Or did you learn from basically, you know, as I mentioned earlier, we had never decided that we weren't going to play the anthem when we had fans in, You know, we had some fans in last game, but they were all health care workers and people we were honoring.

或者你是否從基本上學到了，你知道，正如我前面提到的，我們從來沒有決定，我們不打算播放國歌，當我們有球迷在，你知道，我們有一些球迷在上一場比賽中，但他們都是衛生保健工作者和我們尊敬的人。

They weren't our ticket holders or season ticket holders at all.

他們根本不是我們的持票人或季票人。

So, you know, we don't know, You know, that it would be brought to a head at this point, but it was an ongoing discussion in terms of when we would have are paying fans are season ticket holders back in the arena that we would address it them.

所以，你知道，我們不知道，你知道，它會被帶到一個頭在這一點上，但它是一個持續的討論方面，當我們會有付費球迷是季票持有人回到舞臺上，我們會解決他們。

So was this press release your first sort of information?

那麼這篇新聞稿是你的第一種資訊嗎？

That okay, this is gonna be the policy now going forward league wide.

好吧，這是要去的政策 現在前進聯盟範圍。

You mean from the league?

你是說聯盟的人？

Yeah.

是啊。

I mean, yeah, of course.

我的意思是，是的，當然。

You know, But, I mean, I knew the press release was coming and we're in full agreement with.

你知道，但是，我的意思是，我知道 新聞稿是未來 我們完全同意，

We have no problem playing the national anthem at all.

我們播放國歌完全沒有問題。

I stand for the national anthem.

我支持國歌。

My hand is always over my heart.

我的手始終捂著我的心。

We've supported the National Flag Foundation and done work with them.

我們支持過國旗基金會，也和他們做過合作。

You know that isn't the issue at all.

你知道這根本不是問題。

That the real issue is How do you How do you express the voices of those who feel the anthem doesn't represent them or causing them consternation?

真正的問題是，你如何表達那些覺得國歌不代表他們或引起他們不安的人的聲音？

And how do you do that going forward?

那今後如何做呢？

Well, that's That's why we have sent, you know, that that's programs that we're setting up with sent, You know, we listen, learn, we unite.

嗯，這就是為什麼我們已經發送， 你知道，這就是程序，我們正在建立與發送， 你知道，我們聽，學習，我們團結。

We you know, we have courageous conversations and we'll have many more of those, you know, with our current players, with our former players with keep people in community.

我們... ...我們有勇敢的對話，我們會有更多的對話，你知道，與我們現在的球員，與我們以前的球員，讓人們留在社區裡。

We have de Mac, which are our organization of people from the community that we listen to on these issues.

我們有一個由社區人士組成的組織 "Mac"，我們在這些問題上聽取他們的意見。

You know, we don't do this in a vacuum.

你知道，我們不是在真空中做這個。

We make these decisions after having talked to and listening and and making sure that, you know our goal is to have all voices are not just the loudest.

我們做出這些決定後，已經談過，聽，並確保，你知道我們的目標是有所有的聲音，不只是最響亮的。

Voices were hoping to have sent on with us right now having some technical difficulties so we might be able to get her back later in the show.

聲音是希望有派上我們現在有一些技術上的困難，所以我們可能會讓她回來的節目。

So I will just ask you.

所以我只想問你。

For now, though, Mark, you may now face potential backlash.

不過現在，馬克，你可能會面臨潛在的反擊。

Kind of in both directions.

算是兩個方向。

You were talking about the feedback you got from people saying the anthem doesn't represent them.

你說的是人們給你的反饋，說國歌不代表他們。

But of course, there are a lot of people who feel very strongly that the anthem should be played before games.

但當然，也有很多人覺得很有必要在比賽前奏響國歌。

What kind of backlash might you expect from that side?

你覺得那邊會有什麼樣的反彈？

I mean, you know, when you tryto do things that are hard, it's never going to be easy, right?

我的意思是，你知道，當你試圖做的事情是困難的， 它永遠不會是容易的，對不對？

When you try to, you know, create social change, it's never going to be easy.

當你試圖，你知道，創造社會變革， 它永遠不會是容易的。

We saw that all summer long.

整個夏天我們都看到了這一點。

You know, we listen to people, and you know, there are a lot of people who tried to stand up for what they believed in and weren't really hard weren't really heard.

你知道，我們聽人說，你知道，有很多人 誰試圖站起來為他們所相信的東西 並沒有真正的硬是沒有真正聽到。

Rather, you know, these are difficult conversations that are not going to go away whether or not we play the national anthem, you know, we're just you know, it said to me, we're just glad that we're having this conversation out of choice, not because of some tragedy that ignited the conversation.

相反，你知道，這些都是困難的對話，無論我們是否播放國歌，都不會消失，你知道，我們只是你知道，它對我說，我們只是很高興我們正在進行這種對話的選擇，而不是因為一些悲劇，點燃了對話。

I was going to have it.

我本來想吃的。

I know that you said that you went sort of back and forth and conversations with the league leading up to this.

我知道你說過，你去了那種來回和對話 與聯盟導致了這一點。

Did you consider maybe bringing this up in a board of governors meeting, or would you still do that?

你有沒有考慮過也許在董事會上提出這個問題，或者你還會這樣做嗎？

Have a more of a conversation league wide on what the MBA should be doing here?

有一個更多的對話全聯盟的MBA應該在這裡做什麼？

You know, we'll have ongoing conversations.

你知道，我們會有持續的對話。

We obviously had a lot of those this summer.

這個夏天我們顯然有很多這樣的事情。

And we have a lot of ongoing conversations with our players, the Players Association, because this is this is an issue that's important to us.

我們和我們的球員，球員協會有很多正在進行的對話，因為這是這是一個對我們很重要的問題。

This is not something that goes away.

這是不會消失的。

You know, there is systemic racism in this country.

你知道，在這個國家有系統性的種族主義。

There are people who are afraid to walk down the street.

有的人不敢走在大街上。

In this country, there are people when we talk about injustice for all who don't receive justice for all you know.

在這個國家，有的人當我們談論人人不公的時候，他們沒有得到公正的待遇，你知道的。

And that is a problem.

這就是一個問題。

So this is a conversation we have to have now.

所以這是我們現在必須要進行的對話。

You know is the anthem.

你知道是國歌。

You know, maybe an initiator to those conversations.

你知道，也許是這些對話的發起人。

Then that's great.

那就好了

But That's the farm or important thing.

但那是農場或重要的事情。

And that that was the genesis of everything that we've done well.

而這正是我們所做的一切好事的起源。

We will look forward to seeing how all of that develops.

我們將期待看到這一切如何發展。

Mark, Thank you so much for joining us today.

馬克，非常感謝你參加我們今天的活動。

Appreciate it.

欣賞它。

Thanks for having me, Rachel.

謝謝你邀請我，瑞秋。

Thanks for watching ESPN on YouTube.

謝謝你在YouTube上觀看ESPN。

For live streaming sports and premium content, subscribe Thio, ESPN, plus.

想看體育直播和優質內容，請訂閱Thio、ESPN，加。