I just don't understand the reasoning to that.

我只是不明白其中的道理。

I think the national anthem means different things to different people.

我覺得國歌對不同的人來說意義不同。

And obviously the words of the national anthem can affect people differently because we've gone through this learning curve about it.

而很明顯，國歌的字句會對人們產生不同的影響，因為我們已經經歷了這個關於國歌的學習曲線。

So now the conversation needs to start.

所以現在需要開始對話了。

How do if it doesn't fit towards what you deem it to be?

如果它不適合向你認為的那樣，怎麼做？

If you're the employer, do you have the right to do that?

如果你是僱主，你有權利這樣做嗎？

Well, you know, I I would think you do If it if it doesn't fit for you and what it is that you're looking for, right?

好吧，你知道，我會認為你這樣做，如果它不適合你 和它是什麼，你正在尋找，對不對？

If you're not comfortable with it, I think you should have the option to do what it is that you want to do.

如果你不放心，我想你應該可以選擇做你想做的事情。

I mean, it's too many times it.

我的意思是，它的次數太多。

No matter where you have people, try to force you to do something that you're not willing to do, which is ridiculous to me.

不管你在哪裡的人，想強迫你做一些你不願意做的事情，我覺得很可笑。

Adam Silver is in a really tough situation here.

亞當-西爾弗現在的處境非常艱難。

I'm gonna look at this differently than you guys.

我看問題的角度和你們不一樣。

You guys were looking at it from the actual micro should this happen before this?

你們從實際的微觀來看，應該是在這之前發生的？

I'm gonna look at it from a more macro situation, and this is where Silver is in a really difficult position.

我要從更宏觀的情況來看，這也是白銀真正困難的地方。

You got to think about it like this when the MBA said you have to have eight players to play in a game this year.

你得這樣想，當MBA說你今年必須有八個球員參加比賽的時候。

I think most people felt like, Oh, that must be a coronavirus rule.

我想大多數人都覺得，哦，那一定是冠狀病毒的規則。

You gotta have eight guys.

你得有八個人。

You gotta have your Geely guy ready.

你得讓你的吉利人準備好。

Everybody's dropping like flies.

每個人都像蒼蠅一樣掉下來了

Contact tracing.

聯繫追蹤。

No, it's a long standing N B.

不，這是一個長期的N B。

A rule that if you don't have eight players, this was put in the bylaws away before the coronavirus hit that you cannot play it again.

一個規則，如果你沒有八名球員，這是把在章程走之前，冠狀病毒的打擊，你不能再玩它。

You need to have eight players.

你需要有八個人。

I think what Silver is doing is he's doing a little bit of this and a little bit of that.

我覺得銀子在做的是他在做一點這個，也在做一點那個。

So in the bubble, he did all of the right things right?

所以在保麗龍中，他做了所有正確的事情，對嗎？

The first thing he did when he got the job.

他接到工作的第一件事。

Sterling's got to go.

斯特林要走了

I don't care what's in there.

我不在乎裡面有什麼。

It's the morally right thing to do.

這是道德上正確的事情。

He's out.

他出局了

Guys wanna protest Jacob Lake.

夥計們想抗議雅各布湖。

That's absolutely right.

這是絕對正確的。

It's a player's league, it's their league.

這是一個球員的聯盟，這是他們的聯盟。

And then I'm going to support them to the hilt.

然後我就會支持他們到最後。

But by the way, I just want to jump it for one second.

但順便說一句，我只想跳一跳。

I'm sorry for interrupting, but it is also written in the bylaws of the C B A.

很抱歉打擾了，但在中乙A的章程中也有規定。

That you cannot protest the national anthem, right?

你不能抗議國歌，對嗎？

Like didn't.

像沒有。

And that's something that wasn't in the bylaws of the C B.

而這在C B的章程中是沒有的。

A for the NFL.

A為NFL。

You don't see players protest the national.

你沒有看到球員抗議國家。

They may have kneeled right in their way of doing it, but they didn't.

他們可能跪對了他們的做法，但他們沒有。

They had to be on the court.

他們必須在球場上。

They have to respect that or they would be fine.

他們必須尊重這一點，否則他們會沒事的。

Just want to press center.

只是想按中心。

But I think what Silver is doing is saying I'm going to interpret the rules the way I need to.

但我認為銀子的做法是說我要按照我需要的方式來解釋規則。

I'm gonna do this with Silver and Sterling.

我要用銀和英鎊來做這個。

I know people will back me, and I'm going to do this with Jacob Blake because I know people will back me.

我知道人們會支持我，我要和雅各布-布萊克一起做這件事，因為我知道人們會支持我。

But when I need to run to the rule book and say everybody needs to stand, I'm going to run to the rule book.

但當我需要跑到規則書上說大家要站起來的時候，我會跑到規則書上。

I just think that he's a player's guy.

我只是覺得他是一個球員的人。

People love him, but I do think that either you're going to abide by the rules that that air in the bylaws or you're not.

人們愛他，但我認為，要麼你要遵守章程中的規則，要麼你不遵守。

He's kind of in a murky area where he's sticking his finger up in the air, seeing which way the wind blows and making those sorts of decisions.

他在一個模糊的區域，他把手指伸向空中，看風往哪邊吹，然後做出這些決定。

And that's partially why he's been like so much.

而這也是他為什麼這麼喜歡的部分原因。

He has taken the players input in.

他已經把玩家的投入。

He's listening to the fans.

他在聽粉絲們的意見。

He's by far the most popular commissioner off the four.

他是目前四位委員中最受歡迎的一位。

But I think he's in one of those situations where when he has to do something and the Blue Book says it and it aids him, he goes to it and then sometimes he goes off the page.

但我認為他是那種當他必須做某件事時，藍皮書說了，而且對他有幫助，他就會去做，然後有時他就會脫稿。

I think you have to be consistent in your actions.

我覺得你的行動要一致。

So why did they not play it over the last several weeks or a month or so since the NBA season started?

那麼，NBA賽季開始後的這幾周或者一個多月裡，他們為什麼不玩了呢？

Yeah, I mean, that's a Cuban call that right?

是啊，我的意思是，這是一個古巴的電話，對不對？

He essentially said, That's a Cuban call.

他基本上說，那是古巴人的電話。

Yeah, but nobody said anything.

是的，但沒有人說什麼。

No, nobody said anything.

不，沒有人說什麼。

13 games, 13, 13 games.

13場，13場，13場。

Nobody said nothing.

沒有人說什麼。

Everything was fine, right?

一切都很好，對嗎？

Nobody said anything.

沒有人說什麼。

It wasn't that big of a deal.

這不是什麼大不了的事。

What would you say to people that say Silver looks at what's going on with the leagues right now.

你會對那些說銀子看聯盟現在的情況的人說什麼呢？

He walks into his bathroom, opens up the toilet and sees the ratings in there.

他走進衛生間，打開馬桶，看到裡面的收視率。

And then he realizes what's going on.

然後他意識到發生了什麼。

And maybe what do you say to those people that say that this is a preemptive move to make sure, because I've been doing MBA game.

也許你對那些說這是先斬後奏的人怎麼說，因為我一直在做MBA遊戲。

You've been to a lot of NBA games.

你看了很多NBA的比賽。

Crowd is 95% white, an n B A game.

人群中95%是白人，是一個B A遊戲。

Almost any arena, maybe the Bay Area.

幾乎所有的場館，也許是灣區。

Most arenas are full of white fans.

大多數場館裡都是白人球迷。

And if there is a cultural flashpoint here, is there anything to the notion that Silver is saying Right now, we're in a really bad spot.

如果這裡有一個文化閃光點的話，那麼西爾弗所說的 "現在，我們的處境非常糟糕 "的說法有什麼意義嗎？

Once the virus passes, fans will be back.

病毒一過，粉絲就會回來。

Ratings will go up.

收視率會上升。

Interest will be up.

利息會上升。

Is Jay's mentioned a million times before?

周杰倫的提法是不是已經提了一萬遍了？

Interest on social is already through the roof, but to many mainstream people, it's not there.

社交上的興趣已經是通天徹地，但對很多主流人群來說，卻沒有。

Let me set a preemptive strike to make sure that our core fans are season ticket holders, those people that every year, no matter what, are plunking down thousands of dollars, no matter how bad the team is.

讓我先發制人，確保我們的核心球迷是季票持有者，這些人每年無論如何，都要砸下幾千塊錢，無論球隊有多差。

Seven months before we play our next game when they get it in the mail that those fans feel like this league is listening to.

在我們打下一場比賽前七個月，當他們收到郵件時，那些球迷覺得這個聯盟在聽。

Well, I think that now, now you're trying to appease too many people.

好吧，我覺得現在，現在你想安撫的人太多了。

That's what you're trying to go trying to go there.

這就是你想去嘗試去那裡。

E no, you're so what you're saying.

不，你是這樣的你在說什麼。

But I'm saying you're trying to appease too many people.

但我是說你想安撫的人太多了。

If they don't wanna watch the games, I don't want to attend the games because you're not playing the national anthem.

如果他們不想看比賽，我也不想看比賽，因為你不奏國歌。

And maybe that's not for maybe basketball in the NBA is not for you.

而也許這並不適合也許NBA的籃球並不適合你。

Maybe because you feel that way, maybe you should pick another sport Thio.

也許因為你有這種感覺，也許你應該選擇另一項運動Thio.

Enjoy and watch.

欣賞和觀看。

But what I would say to that in terms of ratings, I'd like to see the ratings over the last 10 years, the second half after the All Star break.

但我想說的是，在收視率方面，我想看看過去10年的收視率，全明星賽後的下半場。

Let me see what those ratings look like, because when you're going up against the playoffs in football and all of those sort of things, your ratings, they're going to drop basketball season really does not get interesting.

讓我看看這些收視率是什麼樣子的，因為當你要對抗足球的季後賽和所有這些東西時，你的收視率，他們會下降籃球賽季真的不會變得有趣。

Interested into me until after the All Star break, when it becomes a real playoff push.

有興趣進我，直到全明星賽後，才會成為真正的季後賽。

That's when I really dial in tow, watching Aziz many games as possible on one night, you see zooming from a business perspective.

這時我才真正的撥動了，在一個晚上儘可能多的觀看阿茲的比賽，你看從商業角度放大。

I think Adam Silver did the right thing.

我認為亞當-西爾弗做的是對的。

I think that Hey, look, we have to mandate this because right now we have to keep.

我認為，嘿，你看，我們必須授權，因為現在我們必須保持。

Also, don't forget that 20% of players salaries or kept on escort right now.

另外，別忘了，現在20%的球員工資或留著護衛。

Right?

對吧？

So there's a lot of things that deem, if the NBA hints what we're having an All Star Game.

所以有很多事情，德，如果NBA暗示我們有什麼全明星賽。

Ah, one day event, even in the midst of a pandemic, even when the league has been very progressive about their stances and games have been post pain, This'll is also about revenue and making sure that that puts the players and the owners at the best possible position when the season is over and said and done to re negotiate CBS moving forward and to continue to create revenue.

啊，有一天的事件，即使在流行中，即使當聯盟對他們的立場非常進步，遊戲一直是後的痛苦，This'll也是關於收入，並確保這使球員和業主處於最好的位置，當賽季結束時，說和做重新談判CBS前進並繼續創造收入。

But I also say this will not saying is that the point was made.

但我也說這不會說是點到為止。

The point wasn't about Hey, let's change this for the way this year is gonna happen to point without having a conversation.

重點不是說嘿，讓我們改變這個今年要發生的方式來點，而不進行對話。

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感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。