Name: 弗拉基米爾-普京。俄羅斯宮殿在納瓦尼視頻不是我的 - BBC News (Vladimir Putin: Russian palace in Navalny video not mine - BBC News)
Uploaded: 2021-01-28T01:35:23.000Z
Duration: 9 min 19 s

to Russia now, where on Monday, President Vladimir Putin denied allegations linking him to a luxurious property on the Black Sea coast.

現在到俄羅斯，週一，普京總統否認了有關他與黑海沿岸一處豪華房產有關的指控。

They were his first comments since mass protests erupted across the country over the weekend.

這是他自上週末全國爆發大規模抗議活動以來的首次評論。

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The mansion was featured in a video investigation released by jailed Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny.

這座豪宅在被監禁的克里姆林宮批評家阿列克謝-納瓦爾尼發佈的視頻調查中出現。

The film, called Putin's Palace, went viral on Russian social media last week and has already been watched more than 19 million times.

這部名為《普京的宮殿》的影片上週在俄羅斯社交媒體上瘋傳，觀看次數已經超過1900萬次。

On Saturday, thousands of Russians took to the streets braving police violence in what was a symbolic victory for Mr Novel money.

週六，數千名俄羅斯人走上街頭，勇敢面對警察暴力，這是小說先生金錢的象徵性勝利。

He has been imprisoned since mid January after returning to Russia from Germany, where he spent five months recovering from nerve agent poisoning, something which he blames on the Russian president.

他從德國返回俄羅斯後，自1月中旬以來一直被監禁，在那裡他花了五個月時間從神經毒劑中毒中恢復過來，他將此事歸咎於俄羅斯總統。

Well, I'm joined now by Maria Peptic from the Anti Corruption Investigative Unit, the team behind the investigation.

我現在請到的是反腐調查組的瑪麗亞-佩普蒂克 她是這次調查的幕後團隊。

瑪麗亞，非常感謝你加入我們。

I'll get to the investigation in a moment, but first of all over the weekend we saw mass protests across Russia on.

我馬上就去調查，但首先在週末，我們看到俄羅斯各地的大規模抗議活動，在。

We really have seen protests in the past, But can you tell me what makes these different?

我們真的看到過去的抗議，但你能告訴我，這些抗議有什麼不同？

Um well, I mean the scale of It was definitely different.

嗯，我的意思是，它的規模是絕對不同的。

We haven't seen anything like that, really?

我們沒有見過這樣的事情，真的嗎？

Probably because we're talking about this so called unauthorized unsanctioned process.

可能是因為我們說的是這個所謂的未經準許的過程。

So the state has no authorized these people to go in the streets and eso those people are risking while they were risking everything being arrested, being beaten up, Andi, they still went.

所以國家沒有授權這些人上街，而那些人冒著風險，而他們冒著被逮捕，被毆打的一切風險，安迪，他們還是去了。

And we're talking about 100 6200 people of ST um in the streets of 120 different cities across Russia.

我們正在談論100 6200人的ST um在俄羅斯120個不同城市的街道。

So I think the scale of it is very different.

所以我覺得它的尺度是很不一樣的。

You lied Mr Navalny's investigative team.

In fact, you were one of the authors behind Putin's Palace.

事實上，你是《普京的宮殿》背後的作者之一。

Tell me why you decided to put out this particular investigation.

告訴我你為什麼決定進行這次特別的調查？

The timing of it, Well, we decided to do that.

I think a day or two after Alex, every game, countries, countries after he was poisoned with novel choke.

我想在亞歷克斯之後的一兩天，每場比賽，各國，各國之後，他都會被新奇的窒息毒死。

I think he was still in the emergency room in the hospital wards when he said, Okay, that's that's what we're going to do next.

我想他還在醫院病房的急診室裡，他說，好吧，這就是我們接下來要做的事。

我們知道，我們肯定是100%的信心。

Who is about who is behind the poisoning?

We knew that a non operation of such scale is impossible.

我們知道，這種規模的非操作是不可能的。

Uh, on it could only be done, I guess by direct order from Vladimir Putin.

我想只有普京直接下達命令，才能做到這一點。

So we didn't really have any doubt about who is behind it on.

所以我們並沒有真正懷疑誰是背後的人。

We decided to do what we do best in investigation about him personally, about his personal wealth, about his palace that he had secretly built in Russia on the luxurious lifestyle that he's living for years.

我們決定做我們最擅長的調查，關於他個人，關於他的個人財富，關於他在俄羅斯祕密建造的宮殿，關於他多年來的奢華生活方式。

Yesterday we heard Mr Putin respond and say that actually, this palace is not mine.

昨天我們聽到普京先生迴應說，其實這個宮殿不是我的。

你聽到這個消息是不是很驚訝？

Um, not really, because this is how he always responds.

嗯，不是真的，因為他總是這樣迴應。

He says exactly the same thing about his daughter's.

Hey denies the fact that two women who live in Russia and who are also very, very wealthy, but he denies the fact that they are his daughters.

嗨否認了兩個生活在俄羅斯的女人，而且她們也非常非常有錢，但他否認了她們是他女兒的事實。

He denies most obvious things that everybody in the world understand.

他否認世界上每個人都明白的最明顯的事情。

Like remember what happened with script balls and with two G R G offices who came to Britain.

就像還記得劇本球和兩個來英國的G R G辦公室發生的事情。

Vladimir Putin denied that, saying that these two were just tourists and they were coming to Salisbury to see the spire I watched the two hour, almost two hour documentary that you did.

弗拉基米爾-普京否認了這一點，他說這兩個人只是遊客，他們是來索爾茲伯裡看尖塔的，我看了你做的兩個小時，差不多兩個小時的紀錄片。

You use drone footage, you were able to put out the actual floor plan off the palace.

你用無人機拍攝，就能把皇宮外的實際平面圖拍出來。

Just tell us a little bit about pulling together.

ALS that information because it was incredibly detailed.

ALS那個資訊，因為它非常詳細。

But to be honest, no, as much time as everybody thinks, Um, the drone footage was a little bit more complex than than it is normally because they do have quite high security.

但說實話，沒有，沒有大家想的那麼多時間，嗯，無人機拍攝的畫面比一般情況下要複雜一些，因為他們確實有相當高的安全性。

They have some anti drone equipment, but again, it didn't really save them, and it took us four attempts.

他們有一些反無人機的設備，但同樣也沒能真正救下他們，我們花了四次嘗試。

But anyway, in any case, you see the British is there on in terms of the floor plans and in the interiors that you have mentioned, we've been kind of getting information about this for a very long time.

但是不管怎麼說，你看英國人在平面圖上是有的，在你提到的內飾上也是有的，我們已經算是得到了很長時間的資訊。

For years, they have started a very large scale reconstruction project there, maybe three years ago, four years ago on thousands off people are working on it.

多年來，他們在那裡開始了一個非常大規模的重建項目，可能三年前，四年前就有數千人在工作。

You know, interior designers, um, just regularly the people who are relate tiles or, you know, and work on frescoes on the walls or buy furniture on bears.

你知道，室內設計師，嗯，只是定期的人 誰是相關的瓷磚或，你知道，和工作在牆上的壁畫 或購買傢俱的熊。

So many people that I think at some point it became impossible.

這麼多的人，我想在某些時候，它變得不可能。

Thio contain the information about this palace.

So we have been getting quite a lot of images of it and those floor plans and other documentation with regards to that palace for for a number of years.

所以我們已經得到了不少關於它的圖片和那些平面圖，以及其他關於那座宮殿的文件，已經有好幾年了。

And we've done this with him is that we just put this all together on made a coherent story.

我們和他一起做的是，我們只是把這一切放在一起，做了一個連貫的故事。

I mean, millions tens of millions of people have viewed this.

我是說，幾百萬幾千萬的人都看過這個。

Now, is that something that you found surprising to see the kind of response to this, To be honest, yes.

現在，是什麼東西，你發現 令人驚訝的是，看到這樣的反應， 說實話，是的。

I probably should say that we expected it, but we definitely didn't.

我或許應該說，我們早有預料，但我們絕對沒有。

I don't think I wear now at about 90 to 93 million views on YouTube.

我不認為我穿現在在YouTube上大約9000萬到9300萬的瀏覽量。

Um, I couldn't have seen it in my wildest dreams.

And I'm so pleased that people like it people which people share it, it zits very rewarding.

而且我很高興，人們喜歡它的人哪些人分享它，它痘痘非常有益。

You earlier spoke about Mr Navalny and the nerve agent attack on him.

你剛才說到納瓦尼先生和神經毒劑攻擊他的事。

You were the first person to say this could be the nerve Agent Nava.

你是第一個說這可能是神經毒劑Nava的人 You were the first person to say this could be the nerve Agent Nava.

Um well, it happens in during our trip this summer to Siberia, we were filming a couple of investigations there in Tomsk and Novosibirsk.

嗯，好吧，在我們今年夏天的西伯利亞之行中，我們在託木斯克和新西伯利亞拍攝了一些調查。

而阿列克謝在飛機上就覺得不舒服。

Well, well, the rest of the team State and Tomsk Aunt.

好了，好了，剩下的團隊國家和託木斯克阿姨。

To be honest, we just figured out that a man of his age and the relatively good state of health hey, exercises he runs.

說實話，我們只是想明白了，他這個年紀的人，身體狀況比較好哎，運動他跑。

He has no complaints with regards to his health.

他對自己的健康沒有任何抱怨。

But there, within minutes, we stormed into his room and try Thio get a what kind of evidence that we can get from the hotel room from where he checked out earlier, assuming that can be some sort of poisoning.

但在那裡，幾分鐘之內，我們就衝進了他的房間，試圖Thio出一個什麼樣的證據，我們可以從他之前退房的酒店房間裡得到，假設可以是某種中毒。

And then a couple of weeks, weeks later, the German army lab even just fell out, found a trace off knowledge nerve agent on one of the water bottles that we have taken from his room.

然後幾周後，幾周後，德軍實驗室甚至剛剛掉出來，發現了一個微量的知識神經毒劑的一個水瓶，我們已經從他的房間。

I mean, as I said, you lied His investigative team.

我的意思是，正如我說的，你對他的調查小組撒謊。

You also live with the threat of harassment and arrest.

你也生活在騷擾和逮捕的威脅中。

我的意思是，這裡的最終目的是什麼？

Well, the end game here is to remove Vladimir Putin from power.

好吧，這裡的最終遊戲是將弗拉基米爾-普京趕下臺。

And what do you expect the international community to do?

The Europeans, the United States with regards to what, exactly?

歐洲人，美國人到底是為了什麼？

It's, uh, I suppose Mr Navalny has now being arrested.

我想納瓦尼先生現在已經被逮捕了

You're going to continue to do your investigations.

We expect all sorts of supports were not being very hopeful.

我們期望各種支持是不被很有希望的。

We are fully aware that we need to solve our internal Russian problems ourselves, ourselves.

我們充分認識到，我們需要自己解決俄羅斯的內部問題，自己。

And there is not going to be a someone that some sort of magical person from outside who is going to come and solve our problems.

不會有一個人，某種神奇的人從外面來解決我們的問題。

That's that's the battle that we're fighting in Russia.

We appreciate all sorts of support that has been coming, and the many world leaders have been making their statements.

我們感謝一直以來的各種支持，感謝許多世界領導人的發言。