You wrote the initial report with Jeff Passan Fair ESPN.

你和Jeff Passan Fair ESPN一起寫了最初的報告。

Um, as the Mets and baseball grapple with this sexual harassment, How did you hear Sandy Alderson, Mets president yesterday?

大都會隊和棒球隊都在努力處理這起性騷擾事件 你昨天是怎麼聽到大都會隊總裁Sandy Alderson說的?

Tony, I have complicated feelings about what he said, and I think who bears responsibility in all of this.

託尼，我對他說的話感覺很複雜，我覺得誰應該對這一切負責。

I think it is reasonable for the Mets to have not known, which is a question that's been raised because unless we hear that people in positions of power that were interviewed or should have been interviewed, how'd awareness of the incident?

我覺得大都會隊不知道是合理的，這也是一個問題，因為除非我們聽到有權力的人，被採訪過或者應該被採訪過，否則怎麼會意識到這個事件？

Um, there's no way, frankly, that they could have found out.

嗯，沒有辦法，坦率地說， 他們可能已經發現了。

But I thought Hannah Kieser Yahoo asked a really important question at the press conference.

但我認為漢娜-基澤雅虎在新聞發佈會上問了一個非常重要的問題。

He asked Alderson, Did you talk to any women?

他問Alderson，你有沒有跟任何女人說話？

And he said No, because there aren't women that we would have talked to in positions of power.

他說不，因為沒有女性，我們會在權力的位置上交談。

And I think that's an indictment not of the Mets, necessarily, but of the industry at large, because fundamentally, this is a story about power and power and balances.

我認為這不是對大都會隊的控訴 而是對整個行業的控訴 因為從根本上來說 這是一個關於權力和權力平衡的故事

And if there's greater diversity, gender and race in these positions, I think there are people who are more likely to understand those dynamics and explore them.

如果這些職位有更大的多樣性、性別和種族，我認為有的人更有可能理解這些動態，並探索它們。

So going forward, this isn't just about the Mets or one person.

所以今後，這不僅僅是大都會隊或一個人的事。

I think this is a structural issue that baseball needs to address, and that seems to me to be a good place to start elders and said, It's the club's responsibility.

我認為這是棒球需要解決的結構性問題，在我看來這是一個很好的開始長輩們說，這是俱樂部的責任。

It's not baseball's responsibility.

這不是棒球的責任。

It's not a business's responsibility.

這不是企業的責任。

How do you How does that sit with you?

你是怎麼... ...你是怎麼想的？

I actually disagree.

其實我是不同意的。

I think it's more than the responsibility of the like.

我想這不僅僅是喜歡的責任。

But it would be naive for anyone to think this is constrained to one person, one club, um, you know, or one even sport or league.

但如果有人認為這隻限於一個人，一個俱樂部，嗯，你知道，或者一個甚至是運動或聯盟，那就太天真了。

This is an issue that, as women come forward and tell similar stories clearly eyes, I would say it spreads across all of sports and industry.

這是一個問題，隨著女性站出來並清楚地講述類似的故事的眼睛，我想說，它遍佈所有的體育和工業。

And I think it's not just the Mets that need to look at this and think, Okay, how can we prevent this from happening?

我想不僅僅是大都會隊需要看看這個，然後想，好吧，我們如何才能防止這種情況的發生？

The future?

未來？

It's every team.

這是每個團隊。

It's the league.

這是聯盟。

Andi.

安迪

It includes coaches, executives and athletes.

它包括教練員、管理人員和運動員。

Emily Kaplan.

Emily Kaplan.

Your thoughts on Alderson is comments yesterday and anything else.

你對阿爾德森的看法是昨天的評論，還有其他什麼。

You wanna go here?

你想去這裡？

You know, when I heard him talk, one of the things that worried me was that he was minimizing the prevalence of this.

你知道，當我聽到他的談話，其中一件事，我擔心的是，他是最小化的普遍性，這一點。

And you know, Tony, you and I were talking yesterday.

你知道嗎，託尼，你和我昨天還在談。

I think one thing I really want my colleagues to understand is there's not always a graphic text message.

我想有一點我很想讓我的同事們明白，就是不一定有圖文消息。

There are so many women in this industry who have been forced out because of casual misogyny that happens on a daily basis.

在這個行業裡，有很多女性因為每天都在發生的隨意的厭女行為而被迫退出。

My friend MEREDITH Shiner she used to cover politics in D.

我的朋友MEREDITH Shiner她曾經在D區報道過政治。

C.

C.

She brilliantly coined it Sub concussive hits like We don't see them happening, but they're happening and they're happening and the great on woman and they make them feel unwelcome in sports.

她出色地創造了它子凹凸不平的命中，如我們沒有看到它們發生，但它們正在發生，它們正在發生，偉大的對女人和他們讓他們感到不受歡迎的運動。

So, yeah, I mean, I totally heard that Hannah Keyser question yesterday in the press conference, and I felt like it was spot on.

所以，是的，我的意思是，我完全聽到了漢娜Keyser問題 昨天在新聞發佈會上，我覺得像它是一針見血。

And then to hear Sandy elders and say No, we haven't talked to any women.

然後聽到桑迪長老說，不，我們還沒有和任何女人談過。

That's all I need to know both about the process and just about how much this actually is on people's minds as they're making higher, which is none.

這就是我需要知道的一切，既要知道這個過程，也要知道這個在人們做更高的時候到底有多大的想法，這是沒有的。

It's not existent, so I'll ask you the same question.

它不存在，所以我也會問你同樣的問題。

Then you cover teams before now you're covering a full league and you get to see all teams in play here When you hear a team president say this is our responsibility, this is nothing.

然後你覆蓋的球隊之前，現在你覆蓋了一個完整的聯賽，你可以看到所有球隊在這裡的比賽，當你聽到一個球隊的主席說，這是我們的責任，這沒什麼。

This is not something baseball needs needs to look at here.

這不是棒球需要需要看這裡。

How do you feel about that?

你怎麼看？

Um, again, I'm conflicted, but I do think that when you're hiring someone to be pgm of your franchise, that's the leader that's a forward facing person.

嗯，我又矛盾了，但我確實認為，當你要招聘一個人做加盟店的pgm時，那就是上司，是一個向前看的人。

It's on you to vet them and absolutely talk to zero women whatsoever.

你要對他們進行審核，絕對要和零個女人談什麼。

And to broaden your scope.

並擴大你的範圍。

Don't just talk to executives.

不要只和高管談。

Talk to the people who deal with them every day.

與每天與他們打交道的人交談。

This guy was clearly a source for a lot of baseball reporters, based on the inferences I took off of Twitter.

這傢伙顯然是很多棒球記者的消息來源，根據我從推特上得到的推斷。

Talk to people.

與人交談。

Find out his true character that's on you, Clinton Yates.

找出他在你身上的真實性格，克林頓-耶茨。

We'll also once a mistake is made and it's happened on your watch, there's no need to distance yourself from it as if you're somehow not responsible for it.

我們也會一旦犯了錯誤，而且是在你的眼皮子底下發生的，就沒有必要與之保持距離，好像你沒有什麼責任似的。

He sounded like a person trying to insult my intelligence as an American.

他的口氣像是在侮辱我這個美國人的智商。

As a man, never mind a baseball fan.

作為一個男人，別管什麼棒球迷。

If you're telling me it's not systemic, well, then how does this happen?

如果你告訴我這不是系統性的，那麼，這怎麼會發生呢？

How do you sit in that position and tell everybody that you didn't interview a woman.

你怎麼能坐在那個位置上，告訴大家你沒有采訪過一個女人。

What is systemic, other than that?

除此之外，什麼是系統性？

And that's what I don't understand about this.

這就是我不明白的地方。

You can come out and say this was messed up.

你可以出來說這是亂來的。

We need to do something different and we're responsible for our own situation to save distance yourself.

我們需要做一些不同的事情，我們要對自己的情況負責，以節省自己的距離。

This isn't one close, but I don't care who he thinks is responsibility is.

這不是一個接近，但我不在乎誰 他認為是責任。

What I care about is whether or not what happens on his watch is something that he could take responsibility for.

我關心的是，在他眼皮子底下發生的事情，是否是他可以負責的。

And it doesn't seem that that's the case, which is how all these different types of men in this position end up bifurcating the responsibility.

而事實似乎並不是這樣，這也是所有這些不同類型的男人在這個位置上最終分化責任的原因。

At the end of the day, bro, it was your guy, obviously the systemic to your team, enough that that person got to the top.

到最後，兄弟，是你的人，顯然是你團隊的系統性，足以讓那個人上位。

You don't have to limp based every single other person on Earth in order to take responsibility for yourself.

你不必為了對自己負責而對地球上的每一個人都一瘸一拐。

I didn't get that.

我不明白這一點。

From what?

從什麼地方？

There's many things that could be true here in this infraction allegedly occurred when he wasn't with the Mets.

有很多事情可能是真實的，在這個違規行為據說發生在他不在大都會隊的時候。

I wanna just ask you, is there anything else you wanna add here?

我只想問你，你還有什麼要補充的嗎？

I think I just want to echo what Emily said about, you know, It's not just about the fact this is a very concrete case.

我想我只是想回應艾米麗所說的，你知道，這不僅僅是一個事實，這是一個非常具體的案例。

We had text messages.

我們有簡訊。

Its's very clear what happened.

很清楚發生了什麼。

And often, um, the stories are, and for most of time, we never even hear the stories.

而往往，嗯，故事是，大多數時候，我們甚至從未聽到過這些故事。

But they're less clear.

但他們不太清楚。

There's more confusion.

有更多的困惑。

Or there's mawr reasons for people to plant seeds of doubt.

或者有很多理由讓人們埋下懷疑的種子。

But beyond that, this is so far from being an isolated incident incident.

但除此之外，這遠遠不是一個孤立的事件事件。

Every women in this industry I know was not surprised not about this particular person, but the fact that this kind of story happened, and that should tell you something.

我所認識的這個行業的每一個女性，並不是對這個特殊的人感到驚訝，而是對這種故事的發生感到驚訝，這應該告訴你一些事情。

I think about the prevalence of these types of interactions in not just baseball but every sport.

我想這些類型的互動不僅在棒球中普遍存在，而且在每一項運動中都存在。