Tough guys, great defense.

堅強的傢伙，偉大的防守。

Bump him and everything.

撞他和一切。

And he just wanted to do it to everyone.

而他只是想做給大家看。

Literally.

從字面上看

If you were, if you was the worst player on the team, he wanted to kill you.

如果你是，如果你是隊裡最差的球員，他想殺了你。

Also on the court.

同時在球場上。

What was it like the first time you had to guard him?

你第一次守著他的時候是什麼感覺？

My first time guarding Kobe.

我第一次守著科比。

15 14.

15 14.

I was playing with Shaheen Holloway, Shamgar Wells for Coach Kevin Jackson in Providence.

我在普羅維登斯和沙欣-霍洛威、沙姆加-威爾斯一起為凱文-傑克遜教練打球。

And I remember everybody is saying this is the next Grant Hill.

我記得大家都說這是下一個格蘭特-希爾。

And I remember he had about 32 first three quarters.

而且我記得他前三節有32個左右。

And I think you know my brother Shannon.

我想你認識我的哥哥Shannon.

Everybody's garden on.

大家的花園上。

Then I got in the game and I started to guard him.

然後我就進入了遊戲，我開始保護他。

I told him this, but he said he didn't remember.

我跟他說過，但他說不記得了。

I think he had about six points on me, but he said he got.

我想他在我身上得了六分，但他說他得了。

He said he gave me 40.

他說他給了我40塊。

So But you got to see at a very early age, right in a you bought high school ball.

所以，但你得在很早的時候看到，就在一個你買的高中球。

Yeah.

是啊。

What kind of challenge he would be to guard as a defender.

作為後衛的他，會有怎樣的挑戰。

Do you recall yourself being like, man, this This is This is more of a challenge than I thought it was gonna be.

你還記得你自己是這樣的，夥計，這是... ...這是一個更多的挑戰 比我想象中的會是。

Not more of a challenge, you know?

不是更多的挑戰，你知道嗎？

I mean, I was one of the most fearless killers, so a killer is not really looking at anyone as a challenge.

我的意思是，我是最無畏的殺手之一，所以，一個殺手並不是真的把誰當成挑戰。

I never looked at anyone challenge now, numbers would say different, and that's okay.

我從來沒有看任何人挑戰過現在，數字會有不同的說法，這沒關係。

But internally, I never looked at anyone as a challenge.

但在內心，我從來沒有把任何人看成是一種挑戰。

It's just it's just the mindset you gotta have.

只是... ...這只是你必須有的心態。

You know, you gotta feel like you're the best, you know, even though it might not be true when you have to go into the game with that mindset on, I always went into the game with that mindset.

你知道，你得覺得自己是最棒的，你知道，儘管當你要帶著這種心態去比賽的時候，可能不是真的，但我總是帶著這種心態去比賽。

I even told Kobe one time My brother RP Kobe.

有一次我還跟科比說我哥RP科比。

I even told them in Houston I was like, You can't see me.

我甚至在休斯敦告訴他們，我就像，你看不到我。

E was like, You can't You ain't got nothing for me.

E說："你不能... ...你沒有什麼可以給我的。

But it was just in that mind, you know, not bending right on.

但就是在那個心態下，你知道的，不彎腰就上。

Kobe pushed me to the limit in terms of that, because every game, you know, he would play so well.

科比在這方面把我推到了極限，因為每場比賽，你知道，他都會打得很好。

It was extremely tough garden Kobe extreme because he can shoot, you know he can shoot and and then he could also just drive and he could and he was strong.

這是極其艱難的花園科比極致，因為他可以投籃，你知道他可以投籃，然後他也可以只是開車，他可以，他很強。

Mid range, extremely intelligent.

中程，極其智能。

It was It was really hard guard him.

這真的很難保護他。

It was really tough.

真的很辛苦。

What would you do defensively?

你會怎麼防守？

Like schematically, You know, whether it was yourself individually or as teams, um, to try toe limit anything that he could do as best as you could.

不管是你個人還是團隊，都要儘可能地限制他的行動。

Well, for me personally, I was always had the upper hand on defense.

好吧，對我個人來說，我在防守上總是佔盡優勢。

There wasn't many people that was bringing what I bring to the table, so I never needed to change.

沒有多少人是把我帶來的東西帶到桌子上，所以我從來不需要改變。

I never watched film to try to stop someone.

我看電影從來不是為了阻止別人。

Either he was gonna give me 40 or, you know, he wasn't It was that simple.

要麼他給我40塊錢，要麼，你知道，他不給，就這麼簡單。

You know, I played against guys who wasn't as mentally focused and just wouldn't even play in the game.

你知道嗎，我和那些精神不那麼集中的人打過比賽，甚至連比賽都不會打。

But, you know, Kobe was the guy that he wanted.

但是，你知道，科比是他想要的人。

He wanted to play, and then in practice, that's where we got a chance to really, you know, see each other a lot.

他想打球，然後在訓練中，這就是我們有機會真正，你知道，看到對方很多。

And that was fun.

這很有趣。

Is there one particular back and forth that you guys had that sticks out in your mind?

你們有沒有一個特別的來回，讓你們記憶深刻？

We had.

我們有。

We had we had a lot.

我們有我們有很多。

We had a lot of them.

我們有很多人。

And that's how we kind of became friends because I don't I've never, ever seen Kobe off the court in my life, but we became kind of friends on the court.

我們就這樣成為了朋友，因為我不... ...我這輩子從沒見過科比下場，但我們在球場上成為了朋友。

We would just talk when we see each other because he knew I was bringing it and he liked it.

我們只是見了面就會說，因為他知道我帶了，他喜歡。

And when we got into on the same team, you know, we just we just we just saw out of I It was it was more like a mutual respect.

當我們進入了同一個團隊， 你知道，我們只是... ...我們只是... ...我們只是看到了我... ...這是它更像是一個相互尊重。

He loves the game so much, and that's why I appreciate him so much because, you know, we could see eye to eye brothers just from how we compete.

他如此熱愛比賽，這也是為什麼我如此欣賞他的原因，因為，你知道，我們可以從競爭方式上看到眼下的兄弟。

The language of competition is really interesting.

競爭的語言真的很有意思。

How we clicked clearly the whole mamba mentality thing.

我們如何點擊清楚整個曼巴心態的事情。

Part of it was, you know, he took no prisoners, right?

部分原因是，你知道，他不留情面，對吧？

Like, do you recall like a moment in practice where some guy, one of your teammates, got the brunt of, like, one of his tongue lashings or one of his just kind of episodes where he was just gonna show somebody what he was made of?

就像，你還記得像一個時刻 在實踐中的一些傢伙，你的隊友之一， 得到了首當其衝的一樣，他的舌頭鞭打之一 或者他只是一種情節 他只是要去展示別人 他是由什麼？

Well, he needed Thio find something to motivate him every day.

好吧，他需要Thio每天找些東西來激勵他。

So he's coming into practice.

所以他要來練習了。

He's the best.

他是最棒的

And he has toe bring it out here.

而他必須把它帶到這裡來。

And he wants competition.

而且他想要競爭。

It reminds me when I was in Indiana and when I was in really good shape, it was really hard for, you know, for people to do a lot with me.

這讓我想起了我在印第安納州的時候，當我的狀態非常好的時候，你知道，人們很難對我做很多事情。

So I would just practice with £40 weight vest just to give myself more competition.

所以我就用40英鎊的重量背心來練習，只是為了給自己多一些競爭。

Sometimes I practice where the ankle weights.

有時候，我在腳踝重物的地方練習。

That's what Kobe was doing.

這就是科比在做的事情。

He wants.

他想。

He wants you to feel so disrespected.

他想讓你覺得自己很不被尊重。

Where you going?

你要去哪裡？

To give you 100%.

要給你100%。

You?

你呢？

No one would say it was too much.

沒有人會說這太過分了。

Not me.

不是我

That championship team.

那支冠軍隊。

He didn't have to say much, but it was It was It was certain guys that he wanted Thio.

他不必多說，但它是 它是某些傢伙，他想Thio。

He wanted them to be ready.

他想讓他們做好準備。

You know, even guys like Sasha, he was always on Sasha.

你知道，即使是像薩沙這樣的傢伙，他也總是對薩沙。

Because you gotta think about the guys that not even playing guys on the bench.

因為你得想想那些連替補都不上場的人。

So although you might be sad one day, Kobe don't care about that.

所以，雖然有一天你可能會傷心，但科比不在乎這些。

He wants you to bring it in practice.

他希望你在實踐中把它帶過來。

Hey, don't care.

嘿，不在乎。

You didn't play for 20 games.

你沒有打20場比賽。

He don't care.

他不在乎。

What you gonna do with your contract?

你打算怎麼處理你的合同？

Looking like he wants you to bring it.

看起來他希望你把它。

Eso Sometimes it could be overwhelming, but I always thought it was coming from, you know, the right place in that Siri's where you guys won against Boston.

埃索有時候可能會讓人不知所措，但我一直認為它是來自於，你知道，正確的地方，在Siri的地方，你們贏了波士頓。

You know, obviously you had that tremendous run in Game seven.

你知道，很明顯，你在第七場比賽中，有巨大的運行。

You had a great game Seven as you were watching him go through.

你有一個偉大的遊戲小七，因為你是看著他通過。

Maybe the offensive struggles like what was.

也許像以前那樣的攻堅戰。

Do you remember what, like his messaging was during that game while you were trying to make that come back and call your way back?

你還記得什麼，像他的消息是在那場比賽中，當你試圖使那個回來，叫你的方式？

Kobe Is Maura off action person action items what we're doing right now.

科比是毛拉關行動人行動項目我們現在在做什麼。

But I wasn't worried about Kobe.

但我並不擔心科比。

Even though Kobe didn't play great.

儘管科比的表現並不出色。

I wasn't worried about Kobe.

我並不擔心科比。

Kobe had a not a great shooting first half, but when he came into the second half, he had a big here to jump up.

科比上半場的投籃表現並不出色，但當他進入下半場後，他在這裡有一個很大的起跳。

He got fouled.

他被犯規了。

He made a layup, 17 rebounds.

他上籃得手，17個籃板。

He made a great pass to me, right?

他給我傳了個好球，對吧？

Kobe played great.

科比打得很棒。

I wasn't worried about Kobe.

我並不擔心科比。

Kobe was getting maximum effort.

科比得到了最大的努力。

When you think about this Boston Siri's, he's being guarded by Paul past 20 Alan Ray Allen.

當你想到這個波士頓爵士的，他被保羅過去20阿蘭-雷-阿倫守護著。

This is a great defensive team, so but Kobe did was say, I'm just gonna get balls out effort.

這是一支偉大的防守球隊，所以但科比做的是說，我只是要讓球出力。

And then it translated to his leg was a little tired.

然後翻譯成他的腿有點累。

A lot of his chops was short.

他的很多劈叉都很短。

The game was only 83 79.

本場比賽只有83 79。

You know, that was a low scoring game.

你知道，那是一場低分的比賽。

So with that being said, he he did so much of the intangibles.

所以說，他他做了那麼多的無形資產。

You know, that kind of covered up for anything else.

你知道，那種掩蓋了其他任何東西。

Like, was there a guy that when you were with the Lakers, that every time he went up against that guy you knew he wanted to kill that guy?

比如說，你在湖人隊的時候，有沒有一個人，每次他去對付那個人的時候，你都知道他想殺了那個人？

No.

不知道

It was really easy for Kobe.

這對科比來說真的很容易。

He wanted Thio kill everyone, and that's what he did.

他想讓Thio殺了所有人，這就是他所做的。

You know, I've seen guys trying to guard him.

你知道嗎，我見過有人試圖保護他。

Tough guys, great defense, bump him and everything.

堅強的人，偉大的防守，撞擊他和一切。

And he just wanted to do it to everyone.

而他只是想做給大家看。

Literally.

從字面上看

If you were, if you was the worst player on the team, he wanted to kill you.

如果你是，如果你是隊裡最差的球員，他想殺了你。

Also on the court, he's like, kind of like Matt Barnes with Steve Jackson, um, and and Johnny Salmon's where I always gonna got the best player.

在球場上，他就像，有點像馬特・巴恩斯與史蒂夫・傑克遜， 嗯，和約翰尼・薩爾蒙的地方，我總是會得到最好的球員。

And Kobe would also take the challenge.

而科比也會接受挑戰。

I want to God the best player that didn't happen much.

我想上帝最好的球員，沒有發生多少。

But guys like his brother Dwyane Wade, his brother LeBron James, those games he was like, I want to guard him a little bit eso he always wanted to take even sometimes Durant.

但像他的兄弟德懷恩-韋德、他的兄弟勒布朗-詹姆斯這樣的人，那些比賽他就像，我想防守他一下埃索，他總是想把甚至有時候杜蘭特。

But you know, those guys kind of kind of tall and LeBron was kind of big.

但你知道，那些人有點兒高，勒布朗有點兒大。

So sometimes I have to go, LeBron.

所以有時候我不得不去，勒布朗。

But he always wanted those challenges all the time without blinking.

但他總是不眨眼地一直想要那些挑戰。

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