EVERYBODY.

每個人。

MY NEXT GUESTS ARE TWO INCREDIBLY TALENTED ARTISTS WHO

我的下一位嘉賓是兩位極具天賦的藝術家，他們是誰？

ARE THE PERFORMER AND DIRECTOR OF THE NEW FILM "IN AND OF

是新片 "在和的 "的演員和導演。

ITSELF."

ITSELF"。

PLEASE WELCOME TO "A LATE SHOW," DEREK DELGAUDIO AND FRANK OZ!

歡迎來到 "晚間秀"，DEREK DELGAUDIO和FRANK OZ！

HEY, GUYS!

嘿，夥計們！

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE!

謝謝你來這裡！

>> HEY, STEPHEN.

>> 嘿，Stephen。

GREAT TO BE HERE.

很高興來到這裡。

>> Stephen: NOW LITTLE CATCH-UP FOR THE AUDIENCE WHO

>> 史蒂芬: 現在為觀眾們提供一些小驚喜。

DIDN'T SEE LAST TIME DEREK WAS ON TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO --

沒看到上次DEREK在兩年半前...

IT'S BEEN A WHILE NOW -- >> YEAH.

已經有一段時間了 -- 是的。

>> Stephen: -- I CAME TO SEE THE SHOW THAT YOU CREATED AND

-- 我是來看你創作的節目的，而且。

THAT FRANK DIRECTED "IN AND OF ITSELF" AT THE DARRELL ROTH

弗蘭克在達里爾-羅斯的 "本身 "所導演的

THEATER HERE IN NEW YORK.

THEATER HERE IN NEW YORK.

EVIE AND I WERE SO BLOWN AWAY BY IT THAT WE WERE EAGER TO HELP

EVIE和我都被它震撼了，所以我們很想去幫忙

YOU MAKE IT INTO A FILM SO EVERYONE COULD SEE IT.

你把它拍成電影，讓大家都能看到。

I WANTED THIS THING NOT ONLY TO BE PRESERVED BUT FOR EVERYONE TO

我希望這個東西不僅要保存下來，而且要讓所有人都能看到。

GET A CHANCE TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.

有機會體驗一下。

YOU AND I DID NOT DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT THAT SHOW

你和我都沒有很好的解釋那個節目的內容。

WAS BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE

因為有很多東西你不願意給的。

AWAY.

離開。

FRANK, I'M GOING TO HIT YOU HERE.

弗蘭克，我要打你這裡。

CAN YOU DO A BETTER JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT THIS MOVIE IS

你能不能更好地解釋一下這部電影是什麼？

THAN WE DID IN EXPLAINING WHAT THAT PLAY IS?

比我們在解釋那個遊戲是什麼的時候做的還多？

WHAT'S IT ABOUT?

這是什麼意思？

>> WELL, HERE'S THE THING -- I MEAN, IF I GIVE YOU MY OPINION

>> 好了，這裡的事情 - 我的意思是，如果我給你我的意見。

OR MY FEELING OVERWHAT IT'S ABOUT, IT'S A BETRAYAL OF THE

或者說我對它的感覺，是對它的背叛。

INTENT OF WHAT WE DID.

我們所做的事情的目的：

>> Stephen: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT.

>> Stephen:這是完全正確的。

THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DESCRIBE THIS FILM OR THIS PLAY.

這就是為什麼無法描述這部電影或這部劇的原因。

FRANK, THANKS FOR STOPPING BY, EVERYBODY.

弗蘭克，謝謝你的光臨，各位。

DEREK, THANKS FOR BEING HERE.

DEREK，謝謝你來這裡。

FRANK, ALWAYS A JOY TO SEE YOU.

弗蘭克，見到你總是很高興。

>> AND YET, WHAT, TO ME, WHAT IS VALUABLE FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS

>> 然而，對我來說，什麼是有價值的，對一些人誰願意

TO GO SEE SOMETHING IS THE MYSTERY OF IT AND THE INTRIGUE

去看一些東西是其中的奧祕和奧妙。

OF NOT KNOWING WHAT IT IS.

不知道它是什麼。

>> Stephen: I'M NOT GOING TO FIGHT YOU ON THAT ONE BECAUSE

>> 史蒂芬：我不會和你爭論這個問題，因為

IT'S TRUE.

這是真的。

THE PLAY WAS MYSTERIOUS, THIS MOVIE IS MYSTERIOUS AND IN SOME

戲劇是神祕的，這部電影是神祕的，在一些。

WAYS IT IS ABOUT THE MYSTERY OF IDENTITY, AND, DEREK, WHY WAS IT

它是關於身份之謎的方式，以及，DEREK，為什麼是它？

IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CREATE A PIECE OF ART THAT WAS ABOUT

重要的是，你要創作一幅關於 "我 "的藝術作品。

IDENTITY?

IDENTITY？

WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU?

這對你意味著什麼？

>> I MEAN, I THINK, LIKE ANYONE, I STRUGGLE WITH WHO I AM AND

>> 我的意思是，我想，像任何人一樣，我掙扎在我是誰和

WHAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DO IN THIS WORLD AND FOUND MYSELF MAKING

我在這個世界上應該做什麼，發現自己在做什麼。

DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT I THOUGHT OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT

基於我對其他人的看法而做出的決定。

EXPECT OF ME OR HOW THEY MIGHT SEE ME OR THE WORK THAT I DO,

對我的期望或他們如何看待我或我所做的工作。

AND I DECIDED, INSTEAD OF LETTING THAT KIND OF AFFECT ME

我決定不讓這種事影響到我的生活

IN A WAY THAT WAS NEGATIVE, I DECIDED TO RUN TOWARDS THE FIRE

以一種消極的方式，我決定向火跑去。

AND MAKE SOMETHING THAT DIVES HEAD-FIRST INTO THAT PROBLEM AND

並做一些東西，首先進入該問題，並。

MAKE A SHOW ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AND BE SEEN AND SEEING

製作一個關於 "存在、被看見和被看見 "意義的節目。

OTHERS, MOSTLY.

其他，大部分。

>> Stephen: I MEAN, THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAVE WATCHING

>> Stephen:我的意思是，我所看到的體驗。

IT IS THE GRATITUDE OF -- WELL, AN ARTIST TALKING ABOUT THE

這是一個藝術家的感激之情... ... 好吧，一個藝術家在談論這個問題。

STRUGGLE TO BE SEEN AND ALSO THE FAILURE SO OFTEN AS TO SEE OTHER

掙扎著被人看到，也不能經常看到其他的人。

PEOPLE AS THEY TRULY ARE.

人，因為他們是真正的人。

AND BOTH OF YOU, IN THAT WAY, AS BOTH OF YOU SAID, IDENTITY

而你們兩個，在這種情況下，就像你們兩個說的那樣，身份。

ITSELF IS AN ILLUSION, AND THIS MOVIE AND THE PLAY ACTUALLY

本身就是個幻覺，而這部電影和這部劇實際上是。

TACKLES THE CHALLENGE OF TALKING ABOUT THAT, WHICH, AS WE'VE

應對談論這個問題的挑戰，正如我們已經

PROVEN JUST NOW, IS NOT ALWAYS EASY.

現在證明，並不容易。

BUT BOTH OF YOU HAVE KIND OF AN UNEASY RELATIONSHIP AT TIMES

但你們倆的關係有時會不太穩定

WITH HOW OTHER PEOPLE IDENTIFY YOU.

與其他人如何識別你。

YOU KNOW, DEREK, SOMEONE MIGHT CALL YOU A MAGICIAN, OR, FRANK,

你知道嗎，DEREK，有人會叫你魔術師，或者是FRANK。

SOMEONE MIGHT PIGEON HOLE YOU FROM YOUR WORK WITH THE MUPPETS

有人可能會把你從木偶團的工作中挖出來。

AS A PUPPETEER.

作為傀儡廻。

WHY IS THAT UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN PEOPLE PUT IT ON YOU.

為什麼人們把它放在你身上的時候會不舒服。

>> BECAUSE IT'S LIMITING.

>>因為它的限制。

WHEN I'M CALLED A PUPPETEER OR DEREK CALLED A MAGICIAN, IT'S

當我被叫作小寵物或者DEREK被叫作魔術師的時候，這就是我的命運

THE THE PERCEPTION OF THE PUPPPUPPETEER AND WHAT IT MEANS

對受寵者的看法及其意義

B A PUPPETEER.

B A PUPPETEER。

AND THE PERCEPTION IS THEY PERCEIVE IT TO BE ONE THING, AND

而他們的感覺是，他們認為這是一件事，而且。

THAT HAPPENS TO BE ALWAYS STEREOTYPICAL, AND THAT

碰巧總是立體的，而且，

STEREOTYPICAL VERSION OF WHAT THAT AMERICAN IS ALWAYS

美國人總是在做的事情的立體化版本。

LIMITING, AND THAT'S AGAINST THE LAYERS AND COMPLEXITIES AS HUMAN

限制，這是對層級和複雜性作為人類的反對

BEINGS AND THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME.

生命，這就是我的心聲。

>> Stephen: AND, DEREK, WHAT IS THE HESITANCE YOU HAVE WITH

>> Stephen:還有，DEREK，你的猶豫是什麼？

THE LABEL OF MAGICIAN?

魔法師的標籤？

>> IT'S ABOUT, I GUESS, LEGIBILITY FOR THE WORK, AND

>> 我想，這是關於工作的合法性，以及。

THAT WORD "MAGIC" OR "MAGICIAN" IT REALLY IS POTENT, AND A LOT

那個詞 "魔法 "或 "魔術師"，它真的很有潛力，而且有很多

OF IMAGERY COMES INTO ONE'S HEAD.

形象的進入一個人的頭腦。

I DON'T KNOW EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS.

我甚至不知道知道它是什麼。

BUT, YES, THERE'S THAT.

但是，是的，就是這樣。

BUT EVEN THE BEST VERSION OF IT STILL PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM

但是，即使是最好的版本，它仍然防止人們從。

ACTUALLY SEEING OR HEARING WHAT I'M TRYING TO PUT IN FRONT OF

真正看到或聽到我想表達的東西。

THEM, BECAUSE EVEN IF IT ISN'T A PEJORATIVE, IT'S STILL -- IT

他們，因為即使它不是一個貶義詞， 它仍然 -

PUTS SOMETHING IN THEIR MIND THAT SAYS WHAT THE CONTEXT IS

在他們的腦海中推送一些東西，說什麼背景是什麼。

ABOUT, THAT I'M SUPPOSED TO DECEIVE YOU, AND THIS IS ABOUT

關於，我應該拒絕你，而這是關於。

ME FOOLING YOU, AND THAT'S THE SOCIAL CONSTRUCT THAT WE HAVE,

我騙你，這就是我們的社會結構。

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE WORK IS ABOUT FOR ME AT ALL.

而這對我來說根本就不是工作的內容。

AND, SO, I GUESS JUST KIND OF TRYING TO GET THEM TO SEE IT

而且，所以，我想只是一種嘗試 讓他們看到它的方式

WITH FRESH EYES AND NOT HAVE THAT PRECONCEIVED NOTION OF WHAT

以全新的眼光看問題，而不是以先入為主的觀念來看待問題。

THEY'RE GOING INTO IS ONE STEP, YOU KNOW -- IT'S THE BEGINNING

他們要走的是一步，你知道的，這是一個起點

OF THE PROCESS, GOING TO THIS CLEAN, NOT NECESSARILY ASSUMING

進程中，走到這一清潔，不需要假設。

WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS OR WHO I AM, IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO

你認為這是什麼，或者我是誰，可能是最好的方式來

ENTER THIS EXPERIENCE.

進入這種體驗。

>> AND THERE'S A POSITIVE I THINK, STEPHEN, ABOUT PEOPLE

>> 我認為人的積極性是很高的，史蒂芬。

THINKING IT WAS MAGIC BECAUSE THEY COME -- THEY CAME TO A

認為這是神奇的，因為他們來了... ... 他們來到了一個

THEATER THINKING IT WAS MAGIC, AND IT TURNS OUT MAGIC WAS THE

劇院認為它是魔術，結果發現魔術是魔法。

TROJAN HORSE BECAUSE, AFTER 15 MINUTES OF SAYING, WHOA, WAIT A

因為在我說了15分鐘 "哇，等一下 "之後，我就開始說："我的天啊！"。

SECOND, THIS IS A LOT MORE THAN I THOUGHT, AND THEY FORGET ABOUT

第二，這比我想象的要多得多，他們忘了。

IT AND THEY'RE MOVED TORE REASONS THEY DON'T -- FOR

它和他們被移動的原因 他們不 - 為

REASONS THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW.

他們甚至不知道的原因。

>> Stephen: THAT IS ONE TO HAVE THE STARTLING THINGS ABOUT

>> 史蒂芬: 那是一個有始有終的事情。

THIS IS IT'S STORYTELLING, THESE ARE TRUE STORIES ABOUT YOUR LIFE

這就是講故事，這些都是關於你生活的真實故事。

THAT ARE ILLUMINATED THROUGH THESE ILLUSIONS THAT YOU DO.

通過你的這些幻想，我發現了這些東西。

BUT THESE ARE DEEPLY AFFECTING STORIES AND, FOR LACK OF A

但這些都是影響深遠的故事，而且，由於缺乏一個。

BETTER WORD, THE ACTUAL MAGIC IS GOING ON INSIDE OF US ABOUT HOW

更妙的是，真正的魔法正在我們體內進行，關於如何。

WE PERCEIVE YOU AND HOW ANYONE WATCHING THE FILM PERCEIVES EACH

我們對你的看法以及看電影的人對每個人的看法。

OTHER OR THE AUDIENCE IN THE THEATER WHERE YOU'RE SEEING IT

其他或您所在影院的觀眾。

SHOT.

鏡頭：

EVIE AND I ARE SO PROUD TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH OF YOU, AND

EVIE和我很榮幸能和你們兩個人一起工作，而且。

THIS IS POSSIBLY THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING THAT I HAVE HAD

這可能是最美麗的事情，我已經有了。

ANY PART IN MAKING, IN THAT SMALL WAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO

任何部分的製造，在那個微小的方式，我們能夠做到

HELP YOU.

幫助你。

AND AS I ALWAYS DO TO PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME, I AM URGING

就像我對在家看電視的人一樣，我敦促大家

YOU TO GO SEE IT BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY IS A FILM OF THIS

你去看看吧，因為我覺得它真的是一部這樣的電影。

MOMENT, AND IT IS A REMINDER THAT WE CAN ALL BE A BETTER

瞬間，它是一個提醒，我們都可以成為一個更好的。

COMMUNITY, A BETTER COUNTRY, A BETTER HUMANITY, IF WE JUST SEE

社區，一個更好的國家，一個更好的人類，如果我們只是看到了

EACH OTHER, AND THAT'S THE TRUE MAGIC OF WHAT DEREK AND FRANK

這就是DEREK和FRANK的真正魔力。

HAVE CREATED HERE IS THAT IT OPENS OUR EYES TO EACH OTHER AND

我們在這裡創造的是，它打開了我們的眼睛，讓我們彼此，並。

TO OURSELVES, AND THAT'S A LIBERATING FEELING.

我們自己，這是一個解放的感覺。

>> AND THIS IS THE TIME FOR THAT, ACTUALLY.

>> 現在是時候了，實際上。

>> Stephen: "IN AND OF ITSELF" PREMIERES TOMORROW ON HULU.

>> Stephen: "IN AND OF ITSELF" 明日在HULU上首播。

DEREK DELGAUDIO AND FRANK OZ, EVERYBODY.

DEREK DELGAUDIO和FRANK OZ，EVERYBODY。

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

我們馬上回來。