So I'm curious from what you've heard.

所以我很好奇，從你聽到的。

How did this come together?

這是怎麼走到一起的？

How do we get to the finish line on Hardened to the Nets?

哈登到網隊的終點線怎麼走？

Yeah.

是啊。

You know, obviously that there have been discussions for months now, and Harden ended up getting his wish.

你知道，很明顯，現在已經討論了好幾個月，哈登最終實現了自己的願望。

He wanted to go to Brooklyn, and ultimately it came down to the really historic draft compensation that the Nets were willing to put on the table.

他想去布魯克林，最終還是要看網隊願意拿出真正歷史性的選秀補償。

And then And that's something that didn't develop until the last few days.

然後... ...那是直到最近幾天才發展起來的事情。

I'm not sure if that if that was totally on the table, even until today, and you know, you would have to think the uncertainty with Kyrie Urban situation influence the Nets Because look, Kevin Durant.

我不確定如果那是完全在桌子上，甚至直到今天，你知道，你必須認為與凱里-厄本情況的不確定性影響網隊，因為你看，凱文-杜蘭特。

Whether he's coming off an Achilles or not is a historic, you know, he's an n b A legend in his prime.

不管他是否從阿基里斯症中走出來，都是歷史性的，你知道，他是一個巔峰時期的傳奇。

If you have Kevin Durant, you have a chance to championship.

如果你有凱文-杜蘭特，你就有機會獲得冠軍。

And so you've got to put star power alongside them.

所以你得把明星力量和他們並列。

They had the chance to go get James Harden.

他們有機會去找詹姆斯-哈登。

They went all in.

他們全力以赴。

They pounced on that opportunity.

他們抓住了這個機會。

Ah, and look, this could be painful on on the backside.

啊，你看，這可能是痛苦的在後面。

When you're talking about completely unprotected four picks plus four unprotected draft swaps, there's there's a chance that this could be painful for the Nets long after Durant and Harden.

當你在談論完全不受保護的四個選秀權加上四個不受保護的選秀權交換時，有可能在杜蘭特和哈登之後的很長一段時間內，這對網隊來說是痛苦的。

Prime is over.

首要的是結束。

But they've got a championship window now and then they're going to try to seize that opportunity.

但他們現在有一個冠軍窗口期，然後他們要努力抓住這個機會。

ESPN Tim MacMahon here with us on Chenango Ginger on the Goodyear Hotline, our own ESPN MBA reporter and Tim Kudos to you because you've been following the saga, the soap opera The Young and the Restless happening in Houston and you know me.

ESPN蒂姆-麥克馬洪在這裡和我們一起在好年華熱線的Chenango Ginger上，我們自己的ESPN MBA記者和蒂姆-庫德，因為你一直在關注著傳奇，發生在休斯頓的肥皂劇《年輕與不安分》，你知道我。

I'm from Houston, so I've really followed this with a fine tooth comb.

我來自休斯敦，所以我真的很細心地關注著這件事。

And I'm just curious because the GM Rafael Stone he's really been thrown in the line of fire in the sense that you have a disgruntled superstar and you have to deliver on making sure the franchise has good foundation moving forward.

我只是好奇，因為總經理拉斐爾-斯通... ...他真的被扔在火線的意義上，你有一個不滿的超級明星，你必須提供確保特許經營權有良好的基礎前進。

How would you evaluate Houston's position moving forward here?

你如何評價休斯敦在這裡的發展地位？

Well, obviously, this is entering a rebuilding period for the Rockets, and you know they've got a chance to kind of see what they what they have now in Victor Oladipo, who have this thing spanning a 14 deal, he ends up in Houston.

好吧，很明顯，這是進入重建期的火箭隊，你知道他們有機會看到他們現在在維克多-奧拉迪波，誰有這個東西跨越14個交易，他最終在休斯頓。

Obviously, the guy did an all star, uh, coming off of serious injuries.

很明顯，這傢伙做了一個全明星，呃，從重傷中走出來。

Sohail, you know, if they're right in there with John Wall to market, because I guess but I think is important.

蘇海爾，你知道，如果他們是正確的 在那裡與約翰・沃爾的市場， 因為我想，但我認為是重要的。

Anything is he's an expiring contracts.

任何事情都是他是一個到期的合同。

So maybe he gets traded again before the deadline in late March.

所以，也許他在3月底的截止日期前又被交易了。

Um, you know, maybe it's a situation where that salary just comes off.

嗯，你知道，也許是一種情況，工資就這麼下來了。

The books and rockets were able to, You know, if you're not gonna be good, you don't wanna be expensive.

書籍和火箭能夠， 你知道，如果你不打算好， 你不想成為昂貴的。

And so I think that in and of itself could have made Old Depot more attractive to the Rockets and caress Liberte.

所以我覺得這本身就可以讓老庫對火箭隊更有吸引力，撫摸利百特。

Who?

誰？

I think the potential, uh, you know, maybe it's similar, but Liberte iso 36 plus bill over the next two years beyond this season.

我認為潛在的，呃，你知道，也許它是類似的，但Liberte iso 36加法案在未來兩年超越本賽季。

Um, and look, the Rockets gave up a ton of picks.

嗯，你看，火箭隊送出了一大堆選秀權。

You know, two picks to swaps to get Russell Westbrook's.

你知道，兩個選秀權換來拉塞爾-威斯布魯克的。

They really When?

他們真的什麼時候？

When what fell?

什麼時候掉下來的？

Stone took over.

石頭接手了。

He was at a huge pick deficit.

他是在巨大的選秀虧空。

And now, in deals that he's made, um, you know, they've really stocked up on draft picks going back to the Covington deal with the the Covington deal with the Blazers.

現在，在他所做的交易中，嗯，你知道，他們已經真正儲備了選秀權，可以追溯到考文頓與開拓者的交易。 考文頓與開拓者的交易。

You know, they got a protected pick back for Russell Westbrook.

他們用拉塞爾・威斯布魯克換回了一個受保護的選秀權。

And now, obviously this this trade is all about stocking up on draft picks.

而現在，很明顯，這次交易就是為了儲備選秀權。

John Angle Junior here on ESPN radio, talking to ESPN MBA reporter Tim MacMahon and Tim.

小約翰-安吉在ESPN電臺，與ESPN MBA記者蒂姆-麥克馬洪和蒂姆交談。

You mentioned the long term futures here.

你在這裡提到了長期期貨。

When we look back on this, though, the things that led up to James Harden ultimately getting his way out of Houston.

不過當我們回過頭來看，導致詹姆斯-哈登最終離開休斯頓的事情。

What are you going to see as the breaking point for all of this?

你會認為這一切的突破點是什麼？

Where it was no coming back from what had gone on the relationship between Harden and the Rockets?

哈登和火箭隊之間的關係，哪裡是回不去了？

You know, really, I think when when you look at kind of what went wrong to lead to the end of James Harden, the James Harden era, the Beard era in Houston, it's the Russell Westbrook trade.

你知道，真的，我覺得當你看那種導致詹姆斯-哈登，詹姆斯-哈登時代，大鬍子時代在休斯敦結束的問題時，是拉塞爾-威斯布魯克的交易。

That was the thing that on Harden was absolutely a driving force in that, you know, Tilman Fertitta, the owner, was also on board with it.

這是在哈登身上絕對是一個推動力的事情，你知道，老闆蒂爾曼-費蒂塔也是參與其中的。

He thought that Chris Paul was with a terrible contract.

他認為克里斯-保羅的合同很糟糕。

Um, they went all in on it, and then, you know, the old pals getting back together.

嗯，他們全身心地投入其中，然後，你知道，老夥伴們又在一起了。

Heart and Westbrook didn't work out.

心和威斯布魯克沒能成功。

And, you know, after a season together, they both wanted out on DSO.

而且，你知道，經過一個賽季的合作，他們都想退出DSO。

It's that trade, that kind of to me really led to the closing of that chapter of the hardened chapter in Houston.

就是那筆交易，那種對我來說，真正導致了休斯頓那一章硬漢的閉幕。

And once James Harden made up his mind this offseason that look, the Rockets aren't going to be able to compete for a championship.

而一旦詹姆斯-哈登在這個休賽期下定決心，那樣子，火箭隊就無法爭奪總冠軍了。

It was just a matter of time.

這只是一個時間問題。

It was a matter of time it would really went and where, because it was not going to work out in Houston long term when he clearly did not want to be there.

真的會去哪裡，是時間問題，因為他明明不想在休斯敦，卻不可能長期在那裡工作。

And, you know, whether you like it or not, he made it absolutely, painfully clear.

而且，你知道，不管你喜不喜歡，他都說得很清楚，很痛苦。

Uh, you know, going back even before training camp started holding out of training camp and some of the antics that he's pulled during the season, you know, leading up to last night, he made it painfully clear that he wasn't going to change his mind.

呃，你知道，甚至在訓練營開始之前就開始不參加訓練營了 他在賽季中的一些滑稽動作，你知道，到昨晚為止，他痛苦地表明，他不會改變主意。

Uh, ESPN's Tim McMann joining us, talking about James Harden, now being a member of the Brooklyn Nets and Tim, you know, it's really interesting when we think about the synergies with Brooklyn, especially now, with James Harden being there and Steve Nash being the first year coach but also relating to the players because he was one of the greatest players and they sort of respect him.

呃，ESPN的蒂姆-麥克曼加入我們，談到詹姆斯-哈登，現在是布魯克林籃網隊的一員，蒂姆，你知道，當我們想到與布魯克林的協同作用時，真的很有趣，特別是現在，詹姆斯-哈登在那裡，史蒂夫-納什是第一年的教練，但也與球員有關，因為他是最偉大的球員之一，他們有點尊重他。

But I have a question here.

但我有個問題

Do you think that those personalities the Big Three in Brooklyn, which I saw you know, New York?

你認為那些個性... ...在布魯克林的三巨頭， 我看到你知道，紐約？

They called it the unit.

他們稱它為組織、部門。

I've already seen the memes have any social media, but the unit, uh, Kyrie, K D.

我已經看到備忘錄有任何社交媒體，但組織、部門，呃，凱里，K D。

And James Harden knowing the personalities and you followed James Harden's personality.

而詹姆斯-哈登知道個性，你也跟著詹姆斯-哈登的個性走。

How do you see that working out It will be absolutely fascinating.

你怎麼看這工作，這將是絕對迷人的。

I put it to you that way.

我是這樣跟你說的

Um, I think history shows that pairing Harden at least since he's become a face of a franchise since the trade of Houston pairing Harden with a with another star.

嗯，我覺得歷史表明，配哈登至少自從休斯頓把哈登和一個與另一個球星配對的交易後，他就成了一個加盟店的面子。

There's an expiration date on that, um, you know, obviously the big question is how many, Uh, how are they gonna give you up shots?

有一個到期日，嗯，你知道， 顯然，最大的問題是多少， 呃，他們怎麼會給你打針？

How they're gonna give you up?

他們怎麼會放棄你？

Who's that?

那是誰？

The ball in their hands and all that.

他們手中的球和所有。

But really, I I think a massive question that I don't know the answer to and I'm not sure anybody with the Nets knows Answer to is when will Kyrie actually be a part of this?

但真的，我覺得一個巨大的問題，我不知道答案，我不知道任何人與網隊知道答案是什麼時候凱里實際上是這個的一部分？

Will Kyrie be a part of this?

凱里會不會成為其中的一員？

I think the uncertainty with Kyrie, uh, might have influenced the Nets decision to go all in on hard because you at least want to have one, uh, superstar to pair Kevin Durant with.

我認為凱里的不確定性，呃，可能會影響到籃網隊決定全力以赴的硬碰硬，因為你至少想有一個，呃，超級巨星來搭配凱文-杜蘭特。

And you know, whether Kyrie decided to come back and play basketball or not.

而你知道，無論凱里是否決定回來打籃球。

I think it's pretty clear that you cannot count on Kyrie Urban.

我想很清楚，你不能指望凱里-厄本。

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