But out of respect for what the honor represents and administration for prior recipients subsequently, the tragic events of last week occurred in the decision has been made not to move forward with the award.

但出於對榮譽的尊重，以及對之前獲獎者的管理，隨後，上週發生的悲慘事件已經決定不再繼續頒獎。

Wow!

哇！

Wow!

哇！

Wow!

哇！

Wow, Max, what is your reaction to Bill Belichick drawing that line in the sand?

哇，麥克斯，你對比爾-貝利奇克在沙地上劃出那條線有什麼反應？

Well, it's very good that he drew that line.

好吧，他能劃出這條線是非常好的。

Um, I understand that Trump was supportive of ballistics, uh, of the ballistics, uh, during Belichick's wife's, uh, battle with cancer.

嗯，我知道特朗普在貝利奇克的妻子與癌症鬥爭期間，支持彈道學，呃，彈道學，呃。

And I understand where that can lead to a sense of personal loyalty that goes outside of just someone's opinion of world events or the way a leader is behaving.

我明白這可能會導致一種個人忠誠感，而這種忠誠感不僅僅是某人對世界事件的看法或領導人的行為方式。

But in this case, even something like that, this is a zero sum game.

但在這種情況下，即使是這樣的事情，這也是一個零和遊戲。

Had he accepted the ward, the award, that would have been very, very bad.

如果他接受了病房，接受了獎勵，那就非常非常糟糕了。

The fact that he's not going through that is good.

事實上，他不經歷這些是好事。

But again, there was either a right answer or a wrong answer here either good Belichick or really bad Belichick.

但同樣的，這裡要麼是正確的答案，要麼是錯誤的答案，要麼是好的貝利奇克，要麼是真的壞的貝利奇克。

And I'll also say that his wording of this was not in my view nearly strong enough.

我還想說，他的這個措辭在我看來還不夠強硬。

He kind of couched it in neutral terms.

他算是用中性的語言表達了出來。

The fact is, as is obvious, um, Trump, you know, set the date of, ah, mob scene and then directed the mob scene over to the Capitol building.

事實是，顯而易見的，嗯，特朗普，你知道，設定了日期的，啊，暴徒現場，然後把暴徒現場指揮到國會大廈。

Um, and and they were insurrectionists.

嗯，而且他們是起義者。

And it was one of the darkest days in the history of our republic.

那是我們共和國曆史上最黑暗的日子之一。

I don't think you can accept a medal from that guy right now if you're Belichick.

如果你是貝利奇克的話，我想你現在還不能接受那個傢伙的獎牌。

And while I commend him for ultimately doing the right thing, Stephen A.

雖然我讚揚他最終做了正確的事情，但Stephen A．

I wish he would have been a little more forceful in his phrasing.

我希望他的措辭能更有力一些。

Well, listen, he could have been a bit more forceful in this operation, but there are multiple ways to skin a cat per se, and everybody is not the same.

好吧，聽著，他在這次行動中可以更強勢一些，但剝貓皮本身就有多種方法，每個人都不一樣。

A za black man and a za member of the African American community.

一個黑人和一個非裔美國人社區的za成員。

Uh, in this nation, there have been many, many situations, a multitude of times where as black people, we wished that there were others who were a bit more out spoken a bit more specific rece in their language, um, in their speech, um, and and would attack ah, particular issue with the level of vigor that some of us would have a swell.

呃，在這個國家，有很多，很多情況下， 大量的時間，作為黑人，我們希望有其他人 誰是一個有點更多的口語 有點更具體的接收 在他們的語言，嗯，在他們的講話，嗯，並會攻擊啊，

But everybody is not that way.

但每個人都不是這樣的。

Bill Belichick is not that way.

比爾-貝利奇克不是那樣的人。

And so we have to respect that and appreciate where he's coming from.

所以我們必須尊重這一點，並欣賞他的來歷。

We got the message.

我們得到了消息。

We understand what he was saying in light of what it transpired last week, Um, in the nation's capital at the US Capitol.

我們明白他說的是什麼，鑑於上週在美國首都美國國會大廈發生的事情。

It was an absolute disgrace.

這絕對是一種恥辱。

We know where I stand on the record.

我們知道我在記錄上的立場。

The president did that.

是總統做的。

He instigated that situation because I watched his entire speech.

他挑起了這種局面，因為我看了他的整個演講。

I'm not talking about all the other things that he did that people like yourself and others may lament at nauseum.

我不是在說他做的所有其他事情，像你和其他人這樣的人可能會無休止地哀嘆。

I'm talking strictly about the speech that he gave prior to those folks walking over to the U.

我說的是嚴格意義上的演講，他在那些人走到大學之前的演講。

S.

S.

Capitol and conducting themselves in a heinous fashion that they conducted themselves in.

國會大廈，並以一種令人髮指的方式進行自己的行為。

Bill Belichick alluded to that.

比爾-貝利奇克曾暗示過這一點。

He sent that message and remember, this was a friend of his A.

他發了那條資訊，記住，這是他的一個朋友A。

Well, it's a friend of Robert Kraft as well.

嗯，這也是羅伯特-卡夫的朋友。

You see, a lot of whole whole bunch of folks that were friends with Donald Trump, uh, that really want no part of him right now.

你看，很多人都是唐納德・特朗普的朋友，呃，現在真的不想和他有任何關係。

They're not gonna advertise it they're not gonna articulated to the masses.

他們不會做廣告，他們不會向大眾宣傳。

They're not going to get into the weeds of that particular situation.

他們不會進入那個特殊情況的雜草叢中。

Um, a zit pertains to their relationship with him, but make no mistake about it, there's a whole bunch of people, uh, that were once friends with him that once had a strong belief in him, felt that you know his beliefs or whatever the case may be.

嗯，一個痘痘與他們和他的關係有關，但不要搞錯了，有一大堆人，呃，曾經是他的朋友，曾經對他有很強的信仰，覺得你知道他的信仰或什麼情況。

We're in the right place and in the right direction, and they're thinking about none of that now.

我們的位置和方向都是對的，他們現在想的都不是這些。

They're literally putting country first because they recognize how dire things are at this particular moment in time.

他們真的是把國家放在第一位，因為他們認識到在這個特殊的時刻，事情是多麼的可怕。

And what they're trying to highlight is that we'll leave the political stuff to y'all from a philosophical perspective, from a policy perspective, we'll leave all of that to y'all when we talk about this particular individual.

而他們想要強調的是，我們會把政治的東西留給你們，從哲學的角度，從政策的角度，我們會把所有的東西留給你們，當我們談論這個特殊的個人。

We're talking about his behavior, how divisive it has been to this country, and we want no part of it.

我們在談論他的行為，它對這個國家造成了多大的分裂，我們不想參與其中。

We don't even want to talk about him.

我們甚至不想談論他。

We don't even want to mention his name.

我們甚至不想提及他的名字。

And I think it's something profound to take away from the fact that that was not mentioned by Bill Belichick, because I think that's how much the president has has been ostracized from an awful lot of people that we don't even know yet people that don't want to be seen with people that don't want to talk with them, people that are utterly shocked at how far they believe he has regressed.

我認為這是一些深刻的東西，可以從比爾-貝利奇克沒有提到的事實中帶走，因為我認為這就是總統已經被排擠的可怕的很多人，我們甚至還不知道的人，不想被看到的人，不想與他們交談的人，人們完全震驚於他們認為他已經倒退了多遠。

Somebody like Max and others would say would say It's always been there to them, that's not what they saw.

有人像麥克斯和其他人會說會說，對他們來說，它一直在那裡，這不是他們看到的。

They saw something different last week, and as a result they're thinking about this country, this nation and what we're supposed to be about, and as a result, they don't want anything to do with them.

他們上週看到了一些不一樣的東西，結果他們在思考這個國家、這個民族和我們應該是什麼，結果他們不想和他們有任何關係。

And when it comes to Bill Belichick, I would remind everybody one of his closest friends for years, to my understanding, has been Jim Brown and say What you want about Jim Brown with Jim Brown was an iconic football player in an iconic figure because he was one of the preeminent faces in the world of sports during the whole civil rights struggle.

而當談到比爾-貝利奇克時，我會提醒大家他最親密的朋友之一，多年來，據我瞭解，一直是吉姆-布朗，並說你想要什麼吉姆-布朗與吉姆-布朗是一個標誌性的足球運動員，在一個標誌性的人物，因為他是整個民權鬥爭期間體育界的傑出面孔之一。

That's that Jim Brown.

就是那個吉姆-布朗

That's a guy that's been close with Bill Belichick for many, many years, and most people who know Bill Belichick speak to his character and only you know him and with the media and all this has a different ballgame.

這是一個和比爾-貝利奇克關係密切的人，很多很多年了，大多數了解比爾-貝利奇克的人都會說到他的性格，只有你瞭解他，和媒體和這一切有不同的球賽。

Him with his friends and people who know him.

他與他的朋友和認識他的人。

They talk about what he's about.

他們說的是他的事情。

He's a very principled man in certain respects on certain things.

在某些事情上，他在某些方面是個很有原則的人。

Rub him the wrong way.

擦他的方式是錯誤的。

Last week clearly did.

上週顯然是這樣。

Well, I do want to give Belichick credit for making the right choice here, but there was.

好吧，我確實想給貝利奇克點贊，讓他在這裡做出正確的選擇，但有。

There was no other choice to be made by by anyone with any shred of decency on top of the symbolic stuff that went on, for example, that we showed an image of the Confederate flag being waved around in the Capitol building.

在象徵性的東西之上，沒有任何一絲體面的人可以做出其他的選擇，例如，我們展示了一個在國會大廈裡揮舞著南方聯盟旗幟的影像。

Stephen A.

Stephen A.

That never happened in the Civil War, but that happened a couple days ago.

這在內戰中從未發生過，但幾天前發生了。

Um, there's that symbolism also.

嗯，也有這種象徵意義。

Ah, cop was beaten to death by that mob.

啊，警察被那群暴徒打死了。

You know, there was no way any decent moral or ethical person could support a president who has told so many lies, but the latest of which is a Siris of lies about election fraud in order to whip up a mob of insurrectionists and point them toward the Capitol building.

你知道，任何正直的道德或倫理的人都不可能支持一個說了這麼多謊話的總統，但最新的一個謊言是關於選舉舞弊的Siris，以煽動一群暴徒的起義者，並將他們指向國會大廈。

Like if if, um, Belichick would have accepted the award that would have ended his reputation.

就像如果如果，嗯，貝利奇克會接受這個獎項，那就會結束他的聲譽。

Yeah, forever, but so he does deserve credit for making the right, but it's not fair.

是啊，永遠都是，但所以他確實有功勞，他做的對，但這不公平。

But here's what you have.

但這是你所擁有的。

But here's what's not fair.

但這裡有一點不公平。

He didn't ask for the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

他並沒有要求獲得總統自由勳章。

I mean, the invitation came his way and he said, No thanks for watching ESPN on YouTube for live streaming sports and premium content.

我的意思是，邀請來到他的方式，他說，不，謝謝你在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。

Subscribe to ESPN, plus.

訂閱ESPN，加。