Name: 如果特朗普8天后下臺，民主黨為何競相彈劾他？- BBC新聞之夜 (Why are the Democrats racing to impeach Trump if he’s out of office in 8 days time? - BBC Newsnight)
Uploaded: 2021-01-12T18:36:38.000Z
Duration: 14 min 43 s

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never has Washington faced two ways quite like this, preparing for a presidential inauguration and a presidential impeachment at the same time.

華盛頓從來沒有像這樣面臨兩種方式，同時準備總統就職典禮和總統彈劾。

Today, the Democrats introduced one article of impeachment charging President Donald Trump with incitement to insurrection.

今天，民主黨人提出了一項彈劾條款，指控總統唐納德-特朗普煽動叛亂。

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Sadly, the person who's running executive Branch is a deranged, unhinged, dangerous president of the United States and only a number of days until we can be protected from him.

可悲的是，管理行政部門的人是一個精神錯亂、失去理智、危險的美國總統，距離我們能免受他的傷害只有若干天了。

But he has done something so serious that there should be prosecution against him.

但是，他做了這麼嚴重的事情，應該對他進行起訴。

The Democrats are trying to put pressure on Vice President Mike Pence and the Cabinet to remove President Trump using the 25th Amendment, but that's so far looks unlikely.

民主黨人正試圖向副總統邁克-彭斯和內閣施壓，要求他們利用第25修正案罷免特朗普總統，但到目前為止，這看起來不太可能。

Assuming that fails, the Democrats in the House will start debating impeachment on Wednesday.

假設失敗，眾議院的民主黨人將在週三開始辯論彈劾案。

But given America will have a new president a week later, there is an obvious question.

但考慮到一週後美國將有新總統，有一個明顯的問題。

What's the point of impeaching Donald Trump when he's out of office in what nine days time?

唐納德-特朗普還有九天就下臺了，彈劾他有什麼意義？

One is we need to set a precedent that if you lose an election, you can't just continue contesting it and trying to overturn the will of the people because there could be future wannabe strong men who follow President Trump's playbook.

一是我們需要樹立一個先例，如果你輸掉了選舉，你不能只是繼續競爭，試圖推翻人民的意志，因為可能會有未來的崇拜者強者遵循特朗普總統的劇本。

We want them to know that if they dio, they will be sanctioned in a serious way.

我們要讓他們知道，如果他們不聽話，他們會受到嚴肅的制裁。

The second reason is that impeachment not only remove the president from serving, but it prevents them from ever running or serving again.

第二個原因是，彈劾不僅可以免除總統的職務，而且可以防止他們再次競選或任職。

So if you don't want President Trump to win in 2024 it makes sense to impeach.

所以，如果你不想讓特朗普總統在2024年獲勝，那麼彈劾是有意義的。

Now away from the politics, more and more videos of the riots have been posted on social media, bringing home two Americans.

現在遠離政治，越來越多的騷亂視頻被髮布在社交媒體上，讓兩個美國人回家。

只是在他們的大會上發生了什麼。

Chaos and violence is now clear toe Okay, the fighting to get past police that this door was intense.

混亂和暴力是現在明確的腳趾好了，為了通過警察，這門的戰鬥很激烈。

Officer is dragged down the steps and savagely beaten.

官員被拖下臺階，遭到野蠻毆打。

Why were the police caught so unprepared?

為什麼警方被抓得如此措手不及？

Here's the front of the Senate building is the crowds started to gather just one officer on the steps.

這裡是參議院大樓的前面是人群開始聚集，只有一個官員在臺階上。

Compare that to the steps of the Lincoln Memorial during the BLM protests in the summer.

對比一下林肯紀念堂的臺階，在夏天BLM的抗議活動中。

The authorities have started arresting some suspects trying to identify others.

當局已經開始逮捕一些嫌疑人，試圖確認其他人的身份。

I filmed the group of proud boys as they marched on the capital last Wednesday.

我拍下了這群驕傲的男孩，因為他們上週三在首都遊行。

Taking our fucking country back, many came dressed for trouble.

把我們該死的國家奪回來，很多人都是穿著衣服來找麻煩的。

Have a look at this man in the stars and stripes Hoody on orange balaclava In his tactical vest, he has not only a radio and scissors, but at the end a can of bear spray, a chemical irritant designed to stop a charging grizzly.

看看這個人在星條旗帽上的橙色巴拉卡瓦 在他的戰術背心，他不僅有一個收音機和剪刀，但在最後一罐熊噴霧，化學刺激劑，旨在阻止灰熊衝鋒。

He has goggles around his neck and is carrying what appears to be a baseball bat.

他脖子上戴著護目鏡，手裡拿的似乎是一根棒球棍。

There is some insignia on his chest below, which are two pouches.

胸口下面有一些徽章，是兩個小袋。

The black one has a patch on the front that says, Believe it or not, my mom thinks I'm special.

黑色的前面有一個補丁，上面寫著：信不信由你，我媽覺得我很特別。

Metropolitan Police have issued several photographs of what they turned persons of interest, including the same man inside the Congress, still, with his baseball bat and now a can of something in his hand, perhaps pepper spray.

大都會警方已經發布了幾張照片，他們變成了感興趣的人，包括國會里面的同一個人，仍然是，他的棒球棒，現在他手裡拿著一罐東西，也許是胡椒噴霧。

There is no danger of being under prepared.

A 7 ft high fence has been built right around Congress, aunt thousands of police and military.

在國會周圍建起了7英尺高的圍牆，數千名警察和軍人的阿姨。

And now on the streets, at least another 10,000 will be here in time for the inauguration.

而現在在街頭，至少還有一萬人將趕在就職典禮前來到這裡。

Meanwhile, the D C mayor has urged the public to stay away from Washington next week.

同時，特區市長呼籲公眾下週遠離華盛頓。

David Grossman with that report from Washington and joining us Now.

大衛・格羅斯曼從華盛頓發來的報道，現在加入我們。

Robert Ray, President Trump's attorney for the first impeachment trial this time last year.

去年這個時候，特朗普總統第一次彈劾審判的律師羅伯特-雷。

It was also independent council during the Clinton administration on Democratic Congresswoman Barbara Lee.

在克林頓政府期間，它也是民主黨國會議員芭芭拉-李的獨立委員會。

謝謝你加入我們羅伯特-雷的行列。

You have a president accused of inciting violence on incitement to insurrection against the United States.

你有一個總統被指控煽動暴力 煽動對美國的叛亂。

It's hard to think of, um, or clear cut case for removing a president.

很難想到，嗯，或者說是明確的撤換總統的案例。

Well, The first thing to analyze, though, is that if you read the draft article of impeachment the basis for the argument that the president himself obviously this has to be personal.

好吧，首先要分析的是，雖然，如果你讀了彈劾條款的草案，論證的基礎是總統本人，顯然這必須是個人的。

This isn't just some sort of impeachment article about all the things that the Democrats don't like about the Trump administration.

這不僅僅是某種彈劾文章，關於民主黨人不喜歡特朗普政府的所有事情。

It has to be tethered to something that he actually did that constitutes high crime or misdemeanor.

必須要和他實際做的構成重罪或輕罪的事情聯繫起來。

And their allegation is that the president made the statement that, uh, if you don't fight like health, you're not going to have a country anymore.

而他們的指控是，總統發表了聲明，呃，如果你不像健康一樣戰鬥，你就不會再有一個國家。

Well, words like that are ambiguous enough that it seems hard for me to understand how you'd be able to prove that a trial that that constitutes what they've charged, which is inciting violence against the government of the United States.

好吧，這樣的詞是含糊不清的足夠 這似乎很難讓我理解 你如何能夠證明 審判，構成他們所指控的，

Now that's not to condone what happened here, and living on the edge of impeachment is no way to conduct a presidency.

這並不是說要縱容這裡發生的事情，生活在彈劾的邊緣是無法進行總統任期的。

But that's, you know, a horse of a different story when it comes to making an allegation that constitutes removal from office.

但是，你知道，這是一個不同的故事的馬 當涉及到作出指控 構成罷免辦公室。

Do you believe then that he didn't incite violence?

And do you believe that there was no incitement to insurrection against the United States?

Do you believe he didn't do those things?

Well, he's not responsible for all the crazy things that everybody does.

他不需要為所有人的瘋狂行為負責

And he has a First Amendment defense and also a factual defense that, you know, his words should not have been taken literally.

他有一個第一修正案的防守 和一個事實的防守，你知道， 他的話不應該被採取字面意思。

I understand how people can come to the conclusion in context that when he said those words, he sent some kind of a signal two crazy people to do things that would constitute actual violence against the United States.

我理解人們如何在上下文中得出結論，即當他說這些話時，他發出了某種信號，讓兩個瘋子做出對美國構成實際暴力的事情。

But it's another thing to say that that was what the president's intent was.

但如果說這就是總統的意圖是另一回事。

Look, I'm not defending the comments, but you're talking about whether or not that that impeachment article is sufficient to remove a president from off.

聽著，我不是在為這些評論辯護，但你說的是彈劾條款是否足以將總統從關。

Sorry, I'm just before the end of his term.

對不起，我只是在他任期結束前。

I'm just asking for the logic in that because it sounds pretty weak to me that no incitement to violence would ever be taken seriously, because you could always say that Politicians speaking hyperbole.

我只是想問一下其中的邏輯，因為在我聽來很弱，沒有煽動暴力的行為會被當真，因為你總可以說政客說的是誇張。

You could always say it's a way of speaking.

你總可以說這是一種說話的方式。

But freedom of speech doesn't equal freedom of consequence.

On if people follow your words when you say you have to show strength or when your attorney says trial by combat, or when you suggest that something has to happen to Mike Pence on, then people go in with a gallows talking about hanging him.

在如果人們按照你的話，當你說你必須表現出實力，或者當你的律師說戰鬥審判，或者當你建議必鬚髮生一些事情邁克-彭斯上，那麼人們就會用一個絞刑架去談論懸掛他。

Surely you have tow, see the consequences off your words.

你肯定有拖，看到你的話的後果。

Well, look, you know, and again if if you're right about that and that that should be distinguished from any, uh, comment that a politician or a president ever makes, which is which subject every president potentially to prosecution for incitement of violence, then find prosecute the president after he leaves office.

好吧，你看，你知道，再次 如果你是對的，這應該是 區別於任何，呃，評論 一個政治家或總統曾經作出， 這是使每個總統 潛在的起訴 煽動暴力，

But you know, we're talking about an impeachment here that is being brought at the earliest, which would be one week, which is Wednesday, one week before President Trump leaves office in a new administration takes office.

但是你知道，我們這裡說的彈劾案，最早是在一週內提出來的，也就是週三，在特朗普總統離任前一週，在新政府上任前提出來的。

And it seems to me a decidedly different thing to say that that would be something that's in the country's best interest.

而在我看來，如果說這是符合國家利益的事情，那絕對是兩碼事。

Everybody should just take a deep breath and relax well and allowing administration to come into office.

大家都應該深呼吸，好好放鬆，讓行政上任。

Yeah, it's easier to take a deep breath and relax if you're not looking at a man who still has the nuclear codes.

是啊，如果你不是在看一個還掌握著核密碼的人，就更容易深呼吸，放鬆。

If you're not looking at the fact that his Homeland Security chief just resigned tonight.

如果你不考慮到他的國土安全局局長今晚剛辭職的事實的話

So you've presumably got nobody in charge of that.

If you could relax in the face of an FBI, that's not true.

如果面對FBI你能放鬆，那就不對了。

There's not nobody in charge, Okay, so let's not exaggerate here.

並不是沒有人管，好吧，這裡就不誇張了。

Well, the FBI have said they're expecting Walter and functions and functions just fine, and the president doesn't order things with nuclear codes on his own.

聯邦調查局說他們在等沃特 Well, the FBI have said they're expecting Walter 職能和功能都很好 and functions and functions just fine, 總統不會自己下令使用核密碼 and the president doesn't order things with nuclear codes on his own.

There's a whole bunch of procedures that are in place with the United States military and the Department of Defense before that would ever happen.

美國軍方和國防部有一大堆程序，才會發生這種情況。

So before everybody rushes to the ramparts here to say that you know, disaster is imminent, just understand that there are all kinds of protections involved to ensure that something like what you're talking about never happened last week because you know that the FBI has warned having that the FBI has warned that those are two different things.

所以，在每個人都衝到城牆上說你知道，災難迫在眉睫之前，你要明白，有各種各樣的保護措施，以確保像你所說的事情永遠不會發生在上週，因為你知道，聯邦調查局已經警告說，聯邦調查局已經警告說，這是兩件不同的事情。

Okay, you're talking about the action of the United States government to enter into a nuclear war.

好吧，你說的是美國政府進入核戰爭的行動。

And you're trying to suggest that that's just a likely is having people take the capital of the United States by violence.

而你想說的是，這只是一個可能的是讓人們通過暴力奪取美國首都。

All I'm saying is this man, this man who has managed to get a crowd even if he didn't mean to to go to the capital to raise it, to steal, to leave people dead.

我想說的是這個人，這個人即使不是故意去京城籌錢，去偷東西，去置人於死地，也能讓人趨之若鶩。

I guess the question is, if they can use the First Amendment to say that he didn't really mean any of that stuff.

我想問題是，如果他們能用第一修正案說，他並沒有真正的意思，這些東西。

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