>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.

>> Stephen:歡迎回來，各位。

MY NEXT GUEST TONIGHT WAS ALSO IN THE CAPITOL WHEN IT WAS

今晚我的下一位嘉賓也在首都，當時是...

OVERRUN BY VIOLENT EXTREMISTS.

被暴力極端主義分子佔領。

WE TAPED THIS INTERVIEW RIGHT BEFORE CONGRESS RESUMED THEIR

我們錄下了這段採訪，就在國會開始之前。

DEBATE THIS EVENING.

今天晚上的辯論。

HERE IS MY CONVERSATION WITH REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN OF

以下是我與美國共和黨議員的對話。

ILLINOIS, ADAM KINZINGER.

伊利諾斯州，亞當-金澤。

CONGRESSMAN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ON THIS EXTRAORDINARY AND

議員，謝謝你來這裡參加這個特別的和

EXTRAORDINARILY TERRIBLE DAY.

異常可怕的一天。

I'M SO SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED TODAY ON THE CAPITOL FOR OUR

對於今天在首都發生的事情，我很抱歉，對於我們的...

COUNTRY, BUT ALSO FOR YOU AND YOUR STAFF.

國家，但也是為了你和你的員工。

IS EVERYBODY OKAY?

大家都還好嗎？

>> YEAH, EVERYBODY'S GOOD.

>> 是的，每個人都很好。

I ACTUALLY-- I'VE BEEN ANTICIPATING THIS FOR A WHILE,

我其實... ... 我一直在期待這一段時間。

AND SO I DIDN'T HAVE STAFF COME IN TODAY.

所以我今天沒有員工來。

I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT.

我很感謝你。

BUT WE'RE KIND OF UNDER SIEGE HERE, IT FEELS LIKE, A LITTLE

但我們在這裡有點下不了臺，感覺就像...

BIT.

BIT。

>> Stephen: THAT IS INTERESTING THAT YOU PERCEIVED

>> Stephen:有趣的是，你觀察到了

THIS THREAT AHEAD OF TIME BASED UPON KNOWING THAT THERE WAS

這種威脅提前知道，有一個時間基礎上的

GOING TO BE THIS RALLY DOWN THE STREET AT THE WHITE HOUSE.

在白宮的街道上，將是這次集會。

IS THAT-- IS THAT WHAT PUT YOU ON GUARD?

是... ... 是什麼讓你戒備？

>> YEAH, IT IS.

>> 是的，就是這樣。

YOU KNOW, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS HEAR, YOU KNOW, THE WORDS OF THE

你知道嗎，你只需要聽一聽，你知道的，那句話就可以了。

PRESIDENT TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY STORMING D.C. AND

主席談及基本攻入華盛頓和

DIFFERENT WORDS PRIOR TO THIS, CONVINCING PEOPLE THAT AN

在這之前的不同話語，讓人們相信，安

ELECTION WAS STOLEN.

選舉被偷了。

IF YOU TRULY BELIEVE THAT AN ELECTION WAS STOLEN AND THE

如果你真的相信選舉被偷了，而且... ...

GOVERNMENT'S RUN BY, YOU KNOW, AS QANON BELIEVES SAINT ANIST

政府是由，你知道的，卡農相信聖安東尼奧所控制的

PED FILES YOU CAN EXPECT SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN

PED文件，你可以期待這樣的事情發生。

AND YOU CAN SEE THE CHATTER ON TWITTER WITH PEOPLE TALKING

你可以在微博上看到人們的聊天記錄。

ABOUT 1776 MOMENTS.

關於1776年的時刻。

I KNEW IT WAS COMING.

我就知道會這樣

I WASN'T SURPRISED.

我並不驚訝。

BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY A SURPRISING DAY.

但這無疑是令人驚訝的一天。

>> Stephen: WELL, TELL US WHAT IT WAS LIKE IN THE CHAMBER.

>> Stephen:好吧，告訴我們它是什麼樣子的商會。

WHEN DID YOU FIND OUT THAT IT WAS HAPPENING?

你什麼時候發現這一切的？

AND HOW WERE YOU INFORMED THAT YOU NEEDED TO LEAVE FOR YOUR

你又是怎麼得知你要離開的？

SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF THE STAFF?

安全和工作人員的安全?

>> YOU KNOW, I WAS LUCKY, BECAUSE I WAS ON THE HOUSE FLOOR

>> 你知道嗎，我很幸運，因為我在房子的地板上。

AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCEEDINGS.

訴訟程序開始時：

AND AS I STARTED TO LOOK AT TWITTER AND I WAS GETTING REALLY

當我開始看微信，我得到了真正的。

KIND OF THAT FEELING THAT SOMETHING WAS ABOUT TO GO DOWN.

有種感覺，好像有什麼事情要發生。

AND, YOU KNOW, PLUS THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH EARLIER IN

還有，你知道的，加上總統早些時候的講話。

THE DAY PUT ME ON EDGE.

這一天把我逼上了絕路。

AND THEN I STARTED TO SEE THE BARRICADES WERE BEING STORMED.

然後我開始看到街壘被攻破了。

AND I MADE THE DECISION THEN TO GO BACK TO MY OFFICE AND I'M

然後我就決定回到我的辦公室去，我就...

GLAD I DID.

很高興我做到了。

I MOO FRIENDS AND STUFF I TALKED TO ON THE FLOOR, IT WAS

我MOO朋友和東西，我跟在地板上，它是。

OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING SURREAL, LIKE "END OF TIMES" KIND OF

很明顯是個很真實的東西，就像 "時代的終結 "一樣。

MOVIE.

電影：

AND WHEN THEY'RE PULLING THE ESCAPE HOODZ AND PUTTING THEM ON

而當他們拉開逃學生頭巾，把它們放在身上的時候

THEIR HEADS, WHICH WE NEVER THOUGHT WE'D HAVE TO USE, THAT'S

他們的頭，我們從來沒有想過我們會使用，這就是。

CRAZY.

瘋了

>> Stephen: WHAT DO YOU THINK NEEDS TO BE SAID AND DONE TO

>> 史蒂芬：你認為需要說什麼，做什麼？

CALM THE SITUATION DOWN?

冷靜下來？

BECAUSE YOU WERE NEVER ONE-- YOU HAVE CONSTANTLY BEEN A CRITIC OF

因為你從來沒有一個... ... 你一直是一個責備的人

THE IDEA OF OPPOSING THE CERTIFICATION OF THE ELECTION.

反對選舉證書的想法。

YOU'VE CALLED THE PRESIDENT'S BEHAVIOR IRRESPONSIBLE, EVEN

你說總統的行為是不負責任的，甚至是：

BEFORE THE ELECTION.

在選舉前。

BUT WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN NOW SO THAT THIS IS NOT PERCEIVED AS

但是，現在需要做什麼，才能使這一事件不被認為是

NORMAL?

正常？

WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN TO THOSE PEOPLE, THE MAJORITY OF THE

這些人，即大多數人，需要發生什麼事？

REPUBLICANS IF YOU COMBINE THE SENATE AND THE MEMBERS OF THE

共和黨人如果把參議院和眾議院的議員合併在一起。

HOUSE, THOUGHT THAT THIS DENIAL OF THE CERTIFICATION ARGUMENT

眾議院認為，這次拒絕簽發證明書的論據，是為了讓公眾有更多選擇。

WAS A GOOD IDEA.

是一個好主意。

WHAT-- WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THOSE PEOPLE?

什麼 -- 什麼需要發生在這些人身上？

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THE ONLY THING

>> 好吧，你知道，不幸的是，唯一的東西

THAT CAN HAPPEN IS A POLITICAL DECISION.

可以發生的是一個政治決定。

BUT ON LEADERSHIP, YOU KNOW, LEADERS IN THIS PARTY WHO

但在領導力方面，你知道，本黨的領導人是誰？

CONVINCED PEOPLE THAT SOMEHOW CONGRESS COULD MAGICALLY PICK

讓人們相信，某種程度上，國會可以神奇地選擇。

THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT

美國的下一任總統，因為他們認為這是個好主意。

WAS GOING TO BE EASIER TO JUST AVOID THAT PAIN OF SAYING, "NO,

會是更容易只是避免痛苦的說，"不，"。

IT'S NOT POSSIBLE," THAN WHAT WE FACE NOW.

這是不可能的，"比我們現在面對的。

I MEAN, WE HAVE TO HAVE A REAL AWAKENING MOMENT IN OUR PARTY.

我是說，我們必須在我們的黨內有一個真正的覺醒時刻。

THE G.O.P. HAS GOT TO GET OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF CULTURE WARS AND

G.O.P.必須擺脫文化戰爭的業務，並。

GET BACK INTO THE BUSINESS OF GIVING PEOPLE HOPE AND

回到給人們帶來希望的業務中去，併為他們提供更多的機會。

OPPORTUNITY AND ACTUALLY MAKING THE CASE FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE,

機會和實際為我們所相信的東西提出理由。

INSTEAD OF THINKING WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH POWER AND ALL-CAPS

而不是認為我們可以通過權力和大寫的方式來實現。

TWEETS.

TWEETS。

>> Stephen: THERE'S A QUOTE THAT IS SOMETIMES ATTRIBUTED TO

>> Stephen:有一句話，有時是歸功於

HUEY LONG AND SOMETIMES SAINT CLAIRE LEWIS "WHEN FASCISM COMES

HUEY LONG和有時的聖克萊爾-劉易斯 "當FASCISM來了"。

TO AMERICA IT WILL BE CLOAKED IN AMERICAN FLAGS."

"對美國來說，它將披上美國的旗幟。"

WAS THIS AN ATTEMPTED FASCIST COUP?

這是一個企圖的法西斯主義夫婦？

AMERICAN TERRORISM?

美國恐怖主義？

HOW WOULD YOU CHARACTERIZE IT?

你會如何給它定性？

>> I CHARACTERIZE IT AS A COUP ATTEMPT.

>> 我把它描述為一個聯合的嘗試。

THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE UNITED STATES IS THE GUARDRAILS, THE

美國的好處是有警戒線，有警戒線，有警戒線。

CONSTITUTION WILL HOLD.

憲法將保持。

BUT THE ONE THING IT DOES SHOW US IS THE FRAGILITY OF

但它向我們展示了一件事，那就是它的脆弱性。

DEMOCRACY.

DEMOCRACY。

AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE STORMING THE CAPITOL, SAYING

而當你讓人們在國會遊行，說：

THINGS LIKE 1776, A FEW PEOPLE WITH CONFEDERATE FLAGS COME AND

事情就像1776年一樣，一些帶著聯邦旗的人來到這裡，然後。

OCCUPY THE CAPITOL, YOU SEE GUNS DRAWN IN THE PEOPLE'S CHAMBER,

佔領首都，你會看到人民會堂裡有槍。

YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS DEBATE IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN AND YOU SEE A

你知道，這場辯論應該在哪裡發生，你看到一個。

PRESIDENT NON-REPENTANT ON TWITTER, IT'S ABSOLUTELY A COUP

主席在微博上不悔改，這絕對是一個COUP。

ATTEMPT.

試圖。

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'D CALL IT IF IT HAPPENED IN BELARUS OR ANY

如果發生在貝拉魯斯或其他地方，我們就會這樣稱呼它。

OTHER COUNTRY.

其他國家：

>> Stephen: I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE PHOTOGRAPH OF THE

>> 我相信你已經看過那張照片了。

SECURITY OFFICERS IN THE CHAMBER OF THE HOUSE WITH THEIR GUNS

眾議院會議廳裡的安全官員與他們的槍。

DRAWN POINTED AT THE BROKEN WINDOW OF THAT FAMOUS DOOR THAT

指著那扇著名的門的破損的窗子說

WE ALL SEE THE PRESIDENT WALK THROUGH FOR THE STATE OF THE

我們都看到主席在發表國情諮文時的講話。

UNION, THAT YOU WALK THROUGH EVERY DAY AS A PART OF YOUR JOB,

工會，你每天都要走過，作為你工作的一部分。

WILL YOU EVER LOOK AT THAT DOOR THE SAME WAY AGAIN?

你還會再以同樣的方式看那扇門嗎？

>> NO, I NEVER WILL.

>> 不，我永遠不會。

AND IN FACT, YOU KNOW THERE ARE BULLET SCARS IN THE HOUSE FROM A

事實上，你知道家裡有子彈傷痕，是由一個人造成的。

TERRORIST ATTACK IN THE 50 FRONTAL SYSTEM I THINK PUERTO

恐怖襲擊在50前沿系統，我想普埃託。

RICAN SEPARATISTS.

RICAN SEPARATISTS：

AND THAT'S ALWAYS KIND OF SHOWN AS WHAT CAN HAPPEN.

這總是有點像什麼能發生。

THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER THING.

這將是另一件事。

IN 50 YEARS WHEN PEOPLE GIVE TOURS, THEY'RE GOING TO TALK

50年後，當人們進行巡迴演出時，他們會說話。

ABOUT THOSE BULLET SCARS AND THE SCARS FROM TODAY.

關於那些子彈疤痕和今天的疤痕。

BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THE DEMOCRACY WILL SURVIVE.

但我告訴你，民主黨會生存下來的。

BUT PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO GET OUT OF THISWITH A DIFFERENT OPINION,

但是，人們必須要走出這個有不同的意見。

PASSIONATELY DEBATE BUT RECOGNIZE THAT POLITICS WAS

激情辯論，但要認識到政治是一種手段

INVENTED TO PREVENT VIOLENCE AND OUR POLITICS HAS BEEN BROKEN FOR

為了防止暴力而發明的，我們的政治已經被破壞了。

SO LONG.

這麼長的時間。

>> Stephen: YOU TWEETED, "LEADERS WHO LED THIS SHOULD ALL

>> 史蒂芬：你在推特上說，"上司這一切的領導人都要

RESIGN SO THE ADULTS AND TRUTH TELLERS CAN RESTORE OUR G.O.P."

"辭職，讓成年人和說真話的人恢復我們的G. O. P."

WHO ARE THOSE LEADERS?

誰是這些領導人？

COULD YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC?

你能再具體點嗎？

DOES IT INCLUDE THE...

它是否包括...

THE PRESIDENT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT?

主席和副主席？

SHOULD THEY LEAVE NOW?

他們現在應該離開嗎？

SHOULD THE 25th AMENDMENT BE INVOKED?

是否應該援引第25條修正案？

>> YEAH, SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO NAMING NAMES, BUT ON THE

>> 是的，所以我不想進入命名的名字，但在上。

PRESIDENT, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

主席，我想這是我們需要研究的問題。

IF HE'S GOING TO STAY IN OFFICE-- YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY TWO

如果他要繼續留任，你知道，只有兩個人

WEEKS SO HOW YOU CAN QUICKLY DO THIS.

周，所以你如何能快速做到這一點。

IF HE'S GOING TO STAY IN OFFICE AND CONTINUE TO BE NONREPENTANT

如果他要繼續留任，繼續不悔改的話

ON TWITTER AND SAY PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE VIOLENT BUT THEY

在微博上說，人們不應該是暴力的，但他們。

WERE JUSTIFIED IN DOING THIS, I THINK THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT

他們有理由這樣做，我認為這是一個對話，

WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW MORNING, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE

明天早上就會發生，我想，你知道，我們會看到的

WHERE THAT GOES.

哪裡去了。

BUT THE REALITY IS EVERYBODY THAT LED LED-- YOU KNOW, OUR

但現實是每個人都在發光，你知道，我們的。

SUPPORTERS WHO LOOK TO US FOR TRUST, THEY DESERVE TO TELL THE

向我們尋求信任的支持者，他們有資格告訴我們。

TRUTH TO THEM NOW.

現在對他們說實話。

>> Stephen: WHILE YOU HAVE BEEN A VOCAL CRITIC OF THE

>> Stephen:雖然你一直在大聲責備美國政府，但你也一直在責備美國政府。

PRESIDENT, DID YOU VOTE FOR IMPEACHMENT LAST YEAR?

主席，你去年有否投票支持廢除死刑？

>> NO, I DIDN'T.

>> 不，我沒有。

>> Stephen: WOULD YOU LIKE ANOTHER BITE AT THAT APPLE?

>> 史蒂芬：你想再咬一口那個蘋果嗎？

>> I THINK IF IT WAS DIFFERENT NOW, I WOULD CERTAINLY-- IF I

>> 我想如果現在情況不同，我肯定會... ...

KNEW WHAT I KNOW NOW I WOULD CERTAINLY CONSIDER THAT.

知道我所知道的，我肯定會考慮的。

I WILL SAY, A BIG DIFFERENCE BEFORE THE ELECTION AND AFTER

我要說的是，選舉前和選舉後有很大的區別。

THE ELECTION WHEN YOU TRY TO UNDERMINE THE VERY PINNINGS OF

當你試圖破壞選舉的關鍵時刻

DEMOCRACY, SIGNIFICANTLY DANGEROUS.

民主，非常危險。

>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

>> Stephen:我們必須要快速休息一下。

WHEN WE COME BACK, I WILL ASK REPRESENTATIVE KINZINGER HOW

等我們回來後，我會問金辛格代表如何

COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD ARE SEEING WHAT HAPPENED IN AMERICA

世界各國都在看美國發生了什麼？

TODAY.

今天。

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