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  • >> Welcome and thanks for coming this afternoon.

  • I'm Dan Rockmore, Chair of the Department of Mathematics here

  • at Dartmouth and also Director

  • of the William H. Neukom Institute

  • for Computational Science.

  • On behalf of the college, the institute, and the friends

  • of Dartmouth library, it's my pleasure to be able

  • to introduce Professor Robert Darnton today

  • of Harvard University who will be speaking to us

  • on the Digital Public Library of America and the Digital Future.

  • This is the third lecture on our leading voices

  • in higher education series and as moreover,

  • the Inaugural Donoho Colloquium.

  • The Donoho Colloquia will be an ongoing series

  • of public lectures aimed in increasing awareness

  • of the many important and sometimes surprising places

  • in which computational ideas appear.

  • This is a central piece of the larger mission

  • of the Neukom Institute whose aim is to support

  • and integrate computational thinking

  • and computational ideas throughout Dartmouth.

  • These lectures are made possible by a generous gift from David,

  • Miriam, and Dan Donoho in honor of Dan's graduation as a member

  • of the class of 2006 and where Dan's brainchild in fact

  • to honor that graduation.

  • Dan is at present in the Emergency Room working

  • through his anesthesiology rotation,

  • don't be worried it's not in the Emergency Room.

  • But we are fortunate to have David and Miriam

  • who moved heaven and earth to get here and--

  • so thank you very much for coming in for your gift.

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  • When we looked to initiate the Donoho Colloquium,

  • I immediately thought of Robert Darnton as the first lecturer.

  • He's a leading authority on the French enlightenment

  • in the history of the book but it was his many cogently argued

  • and beautifully written New York Review essays on the creation

  • of a Digital Public Library of America

  • that made him a natural choice as the first Donoho lecturer.

  • His arguments mix historical anecdote with close legal

  • and moral reasoning and are masterful displays of passion

  • and advocacy and careful analysis.

  • He makes clear the challenges and possibilities inherent

  • in such an endeavor as well

  • as the central role the computational

  • and digital technology play in the story.

  • Now, the idea of such a public resource also has an important

  • Dartmouth connection as one of the first public calls

  • for a national computer-based library can be found

  • in a lecture by former math professor and 13th president

  • of Dartmouth, John Kemeny.

  • Given just over 50 years ago at a conference convened

  • to mark the 100th anniversary of the founding of MIT.

  • In his lecture, a library for 2000 A.D., Kemeny advocated

  • for a national research library.

  • A central resource for the nation's research community.

  • Kemeny argued that the sheer projected volume

  • of textual resources and the attendant problems

  • of information search

  • and retrieval would require digitized storage and access.

  • Now, I can't help myself from showing you a table

  • from Kemeny's talk that he used to illustrate the kinds

  • of problems he anticipated.

  • So this is what he viewed

  • as the big problem in search [laughter].

  • So, what you saw is 2 hours and 27 minutes and 45 seconds

  • to find a book so the walk to the library, finding the card

  • and the catalogue, up the stairs,

  • discovering the book is missing [laughter] would--

  • the majority of time spent waiting for Professor S

  • to return from lunch [laughter] but I have to say,

  • I love this for so many different reasons

  • but I also know it's true

  • because Professor S was my dear friend, Laurie Snell.

  • So I know that is [laughter] this is a true story.

  • For those of you who know Laurie,

  • this is perfectly believable.

  • So Kemeny's lecture is simultaneously present

  • and of it's time as he gives us a detailed vision

  • for an electronic library but one deeply rooted

  • and tape drives and phone connections.

  • Great advances in technology as well as computer science,

  • mathematics, and statistics have made possible the much more

  • ambitious goal that is a Digital Public Library of America.

  • From conception to execution,

  • Professor Darnton has led the charge for its creation.

  • Robert Darnton is Carl H. Pforzheimer University Professor

  • at Harvard and Director of the Harvard University Library,

  • he is a Harvard graduate, a Rhodes Scholar,

  • a former reporter for the New York Times, and was a professor

  • on the Princeton History Faculty from 1968 until 2007

  • when he returned to Harvard.

  • He has held numerous visiting positions and is a member

  • of the boards of many prestigious institutions

  • including the New York Public Library.

  • He is the author of many scholarly essays

  • and books including the Forbidden Bestsellers

  • of Pre-Revolutionary France

  • which was a National Book Critics Circle Award winner.

  • Professor Darnton is the recipient of numerous honors

  • and prizes including a MacArthur Fellowship and most recently,

  • a National Humanities Medal received just a few weeks ago

  • from President Obama.

  • In the words of the citation, Professor Darnton has a quote,

  • "Determination to make knowledge accessible to everyone."

  • As an author, he has illuminated the world of Enlightenment

  • and Revolutionary France, and as a librarian, he has endeavored

  • to make his vision for a comprehensive national library

  • of digitized books a reality, end quote.

  • We look forward to his sharing of that vision

  • with us this afternoon so please join me

  • in welcoming our first Donoho lecturer,

  • Professor Robert Darnton.

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  • >> Thank you Dan.

  • Well, thank you I'm delighted to be here.

  • It's good to see snow, it's the first snow I've seen this

  • winter practically.

  • But I'm especially honored to be giving the first

  • of the Donoho lectures and I'm delighted

  • that you could come yourselves.

  • I think that Neukom Institute is a good thing

  • and I think probably, a lot of you care about books

  • so that makes me feel good.

  • They can be digitized, they can be printed on paper

  • but they are actually doing rather well,

  • even the old fashioned printed codex.

  • Believe it or not, this year,

  • more books will be published worldwide than ever before.

  • 1 million new titles almost all of them in print.

  • It's amazing.

  • So when people tell you the book is dead, just shake your head

  • in disbelief, the book is not dead.

  • It makes me think often of one of my favorite graffiti

  • and it's actually in the men's room of Firestone Library

  • in Princeton, you know, and you may have seen one like this.

  • It begins, "God is dead," signed Nietzsche [laughter]

  • and then underneath Nietzsche is, "Dead,"

  • signed God [laughter].

  • The book is absolutely not dead.

  • And I think there are a lot of misconceptions actually

  • about the digital and the analog as if they were at war

  • with one another, you know, as if they occupied opposite

  • and inimical positions on some kind of technological spectrum.

  • One thing we've learn from the history of books is

  • that one medium does not displace another.

  • Believe it or not, after the invention or reinvention

  • of movable type by Gutenberg, manuscript publishing increased

  • and it continued to thrive for 3 centuries after Gutenberg.

  • It was often cheaper to hire scribes to copy out a whole book

  • for an addition of less than 100 copies.

  • So people are publishing manuscript books well

  • into 18th centuries, some even in the 19th century.

  • And I think today, we all understand

  • that the radio did not kill the newspaper,

  • and TV didn't kill the radio, and the internet didn't kill TV,

  • we live in a, I think, an environment of media

  • that gets richer and more complicated

  • but it's certainly not one in which it's just zero-sum games

  • and the printed book is gone.

  • That does not mean, however, that all is well in the world

  • of printed books, I mean there are a lot

  • of very unhappy publishers, authors, booksellers,

  • and even at the occasional librarian, I think, Jeff.

  • There is pressure all over the place

  • and that's really the subject of my talk.

  • So I'd like to begin if I may by quoting Thomas Jefferson,

  • the devil can quote Thomas Jefferson but I like to do

  • so anyhow and I've done this in other settings

  • because of his famous remark in a letter that he wrote

  • in 1813 developing a metaphor about light.

  • So you should think of the enlightenment, light in the form

  • of a candle which he'd call the taper.

  • So I'll give you the full quote

  • and I hope we will all feel enlightened and then I will try

  • to take it from there.

  • "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible

  • than all others of exclusive property, it is the action

  • of the thinking power called an idea,

  • which an individual may exclusively possess as long

  • as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged,

  • it forces itself into the possession of every one,

  • and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.

  • Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less,

  • because every other possesses the whole of it.

  • He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself

  • without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine,

  • receives light without darkening me."

  • Now, you might think that the 18th century ideal

  • of spreading light, enlightenment, sounds archaic,

  • in fact it may sound suspiciously professorial.

  • We professors like to invoke Thomas Jefferson

  • and I especially like to invoke people like Condor [inaudible]

  • who was all for spreading light and who is convinced

  • that there would be indefinite progress,

  • thanks to the publication of books.

  • But that can sound naive and the point

  • of course is what then could have been

  • or actually was merely Utopian is now possible thanks

  • to modern technology, the internet.

  • Still, having said that and probably a lot

  • of people would agree on the face of it,

  • it can nonetheless sound Utopian so I would

  • like to invoke another kind of American sprit

  • that can do pragmatic, no-nonsense, business plan type

  • of spirit in order to argue my case.

  • The point is that you can invoke even economists

  • to develop this sort of an argument.

  • After all, one of the most hard-boiled concepts

  • of modern economics is that of a public good.

  • Public goods such as clean air, efficient roads,

  • hygienic sewage disposal, and adequate schooling,

  • benefit the entire citizenry and when citizens benefit,

  • does not diminish that of another.

  • Public goods are not assets in a zero-sum game.

  • But they do carry costs, upfront costs usually paid

  • for by taxation and this occurs at the production end

  • of services and facilities that the public enjoys.

  • So the Jeffersonian ideal of access to knowledge

  • as a public good does not mean that knowledge is costless.

  • We enjoy freedom of information, but of course,

  • information is not free.

  • Someone had to pay for Jefferson's taper.

  • Now, I would like to emphasize that point

  • because few people have any idea of what it actually costs

  • to provide them with the information

  • that they consult every day on the internet.

  • Instead, they complain about information overload.

  • My daughter, for example, laments the fact that,

  • as she puts it, "The amount

  • of medical knowledge doubles every 2 years."

  • And yet she knows nothing about another tendency that undercuts

  • that doubling, namely commercialization.

  • According to several reliable sources,

  • the amount of research published

  • in medical journals actually does almost double

  • over 2-year periods.

  • The US library of medicine reports that the number

  • of medical journals increased from 3,472 in the year 2000

  • to 4,866 in the year 2010.

  • And the number-- excuse--

  • the statistics, but can you imagine having

  • to read this many journals if you're a doctor

  • and you've got a patient with some distressing symptoms

  • that you can't quite figure out.

  • Well, you'd go to the internet of course and you have

  • to find the right article.

  • Well, citations to the articles in these journals increased

  • from 10.7 million in 2000 to 18.3 million in 2010.

  • How could anyone find all pertinent information even

  • with a powerful search engine in this ocean of publications?

  • I don't know, but of course, doctors keep trying.

  • There was an average of 3.5 million searches a day in 2009

  • in just in medical journals.

  • What the doctors fail to understand is

  • that their searches take place in fenced-off territory

  • which belongs to the publishers of the medical journals.

  • The publishers charge exorbitant prices

  • for access to their terrain.

  • And their enclosure movement increases while

  • cyberspace expands.

  • So, yes, more knowledge is being constantly produced

  • and an increasingly small percentage

  • of it is accessible to the public.

  • Now I'd like to discuss this tendency in relation to the cost

  • of journals and books and then

  • to suggest how it could be inversed by treating knowledge

  • as a public good provided through the internet.

  • If I could come back to the example of my doctor,

  • I should explain that he works in a teaching hospital attached

  • to the Harvard Medical School,

  • which means that the Harvard library gets to pay

  • for all of these journals.

  • Through his computer and his smart phone, he has access

  • to all of the journals that the medical school buys for him.

  • And that is almost entirely 99.9 percent in the form

  • of electronic journals whose total cost for Harvard just

  • for medical journals is 2.5 million dollars a year.

  • The journals include the Journal of Comparative Neurology;

  • this priced 29 thousand dollars for a year's subscription.

  • Brain Research, 20 thousand-- 23 thousand dollars a year;

  • Biochemica, 20 thousand dollars a year;

  • and I could go on and on.

  • The cost of academic journals in general has increased

  • at 4 times the rate of inflation since 1980.

  • Everything indicates that it will continue to increase

  • at along the same trajectory,

  • maybe it'll level off a little bit but not much.

  • The prices for the increase in journals in general,

  • scholarly journals, is estimated to vary the increase

  • between 4 percent and 9 percent.

  • And this is after catastrophic ratcheting

  • up of the cost of journals.

  • So health maybe a public good but information

  • about health is monopolized by publishers who extract

  • as much profit as the market will bear.

  • Now this is not news to librarians

  • and you'll find librarian can tell you a lots more about it.

  • They have had to make room in their budgets

  • for the hyper inflation of journal prices year after year

  • for at least 3 decades.

  • But this news is not understood by many academics.

  • They actually perpetrate a kind of irrationality at the heart

  • of the system because of course we academics do the research.

  • We write the articles, we serve as referees

  • for articles written by others.

  • We also serve on the editorial boards

  • of the journals often as editors.

  • And then we buy back the result of our labor which is all done

  • for free at outrageous prices.

  • But of course, we don't pay for it, our library does.

  • And very few academics understand how this can dent a

  • library's budget.

  • You know, there used to be a rule of thumb

  • that libraries would spend roughly 50 percent

  • of their acquisition's budgets on periodicals

  • and 50 percent on monographs.

  • Well, those percentages have changed

  • and now many libraries spend 60, 75 percent some 90 percent

  • of their acquisition's budgets just on serials.

  • So that is-- means that they're not buying monographs anymore.

  • And if they don't buy monographs, think of what effect

  • that has on university presses in subjects

  • like the social sciences and humanities.

  • They have to cut back on it because they depend

  • to a considerable extent on sales to libraries.

  • And if they cut back on the production of monographs,

  • what's going to happen to these new PhD students

  • who must publish or perish?

  • There's a kind of vicious circle

  • at work throughout this whole system

  • and the system just looked at, in those terms,

  • seem to me, extremely irrational.

  • Well the publishers would have an answer to this.

  • They would say that, first of all, there's a kind

  • of naive idealism behind the Jeffersonian Principle.

  • We live in a real world of, well capitalism.

  • And it's true that not only did Jefferson discount the cost

  • of his taper, he had a-- not a very successful business plan

  • when it came to trying to run Monticello.

  • You may know that he really went bankrupt and there had

  • to be a collection to keep him from going broke.

  • Of course, it can be expensive to publish a journal.

  • I'm not denying that at all.

  • And look at what a good journal does.

  • There are referees to be organized.

  • It can be a big job.

  • There are-- there's editing to be done,

  • there are pages to be designed.

  • The journal has to be marketed; the money has

  • to be collected and redistributed.

  • There is a lot of what publisher's call "Added value."

  • And I'm not trying to minimize that in the slightest.

  • So yes, journal publishers deserve a fair return

  • on their investment, but what is fair.

  • Last year, Elsevier's profit margin was 36 percent

  • on an income of 2 billion pounds.

  • Other publishers often report profits of 20 to 40 percent.

  • In its analysis of their practices,

  • Deutsche Bank concluded, "If the process really were as complex,

  • costly, and value-added as the publishers protest that it is,

  • 40 percent margins would not be available."

  • Now, publishers could answer

  • by invoking the famous market place of ideas.

  • They could return the Jeffersonian argument

  • against itself by asserting that in a free market of ideas,

  • the best will triumph.

  • Whether embodied in articles or books or any other format,

  • the best will sell and sell at a fair price determined by demand.

  • Unfortunately however, demand is not flexible in the world

  • of scholarly periodicals.

  • Publishers create journals

  • in certain highly specialized sectors

  • where they can have the territory all to themselves.

  • Once they staked out their turf, hired a prestigious board

  • of editors because prestige is crucial in this game,

  • and begun to accumulate a following among readers,

  • they can keep competitors out.

  • In fact, competition rarely exists

  • in the esoteric sectors of science.

  • And the big 3 publishers, Elsevier, Wiley-Blackwell,

  • and Springer, published 42 percent of all journal articles.

  • They group journals in bundles selling the newer

  • and more obscure publications along with the more famous ones

  • and if you, the librarian, want to unbundle the bundle,

  • then somehow mysteriously as you read out journals you don't want

  • so much, the price of the ones you do want increases

  • so that it's more expensive than it ever was in bundled form.

  • They have a hundred tricks to keep

  • up that 40 percent profit margin.

  • Well, I won't go on and on, but I do think that we've got

  • to do something about this.

  • And for one thing, we should be able to share information

  • but may of these contracts have nondisclosure clauses.

  • So that I can't know what Jeff pays for his bundle,

  • except that it's probably too much.

  • [Laughter ]

  • Well, the market is being manipulated and monopolized

  • and I think that private gain is eclipsing--

  • has eclipsed the public good.

  • Jefferson's taper has been reduced to an ashen glimmer.

  • How long can the price gauging continue?

  • Well, we may be nearing a breaking point

  • because some research libraries have simply found it impossible

  • to pay for the continuous increase in the journal prices.

  • They refuse to renew subscriptions

  • and write-out complaints from their faculty members

  • who demand, of course, an unlimited supply of knowledge.

  • And sometimes, they, for example, provide pay-per-view,

  • that is to say a faculty member or a student can pay just

  • to read a particular article that may have been recommended.

  • Now the cost for Wiley-Blackwell

  • to read one article is now 42 dollars, to read one article.

  • Few libraries have summoned up the courage to walk away

  • from the table in contract negotiations when faced

  • with unbearably expensive terms.

  • Well, you might think, just tell them, "I'm the customer, the--

  • isn't the customer always right?

  • I won't accept that increase of mind percent

  • in this year of 2012."

  • It doesn't work like that because if I did

  • that in Harvard, there would be a revolt on the part

  • of the faculty beginning perhaps in the medical school

  • where my doctor ex-- he thinks he's just going

  • to have an endless flow of access.

  • So the alternative to this is not, I think,

  • simply to negotiate harder but to develop another strategy

  • that would reverse the economics of journal publishing.

  • I think we should treat it as a public good

  • in a manner analogous to the funding of the public roads.

  • This could be paid for at the production end

  • and made available free to users.

  • Although the US government already subsidizes a great deal

  • of research and also publishing through the NIH and the NSF,

  • it probably can't do much more.

  • I don't think we expect more money to be coming

  • out of congress for this sort of thing.

  • But as you know, the NIH has a huge budget.

  • And in 2000-- I'm forgetting the year, I think it was 2008,

  • the NIH have passed a requirement

  • that any research based on NIH funds, that is public funds paid

  • for by the tax payer, had to be made available

  • to the public, to the tax payers.

  • That was a mandate and it makes a certain amount of sense.

  • Don't you think that public-supported research ought

  • to be available to the public?

  • But, there-- a bill was introduced to the House

  • of Representatives in December to withdraw this mandate,

  • this so called Research Works Act

  • which is just going to wipe it out.

  • And who is behind this bill?

  • The lobbies.

  • I mean the lobbies are the ones that have been--

  • I would say, manipulating copyright, among other things,

  • for the advantage of private gain while neglecting the

  • public good.

  • So we are in a very difficult situation and I think

  • that we have to begin to work out something

  • that would work better and for the public good.

  • Now, things are changing fast, no need to tell you this.

  • We're going through a fascinating transitional period

  • from a world that was entirely analogue to a world

  • that will someday be overwhelmingly digital.

  • But now, you know, things are being mixed-up together

  • in fascinating ways that I find enriching in general

  • but also very expensive.

  • Clear distinctions no longer exist between text and data,

  • articles and books, searching and researching, posting

  • and publishing, authorship and readership, writing

  • and mixing and mashing.

  • The blurring of boundaries and the untethering

  • of knowledge may make us feel uncomfortable but they belong

  • to a transformation of the landscape of information

  • that I think will create new room for the public good.

  • To illustrate this point, I would like to devote the rest

  • of my talk to one of these possibilities,

  • the attempt to build a digital library

  • that will make the cultural heritage

  • of the United States available to all Americans and, in fact,

  • to everyone in the world.

  • Now, although fantasies about a mega, meta,

  • macro library go back to the ancients, the possibility

  • of actually constructing one is recent.

  • It dates from the creation of the internet,

  • 1974, and the web, 1991.

  • Google demonstrated that the new technology could be harnessed

  • to create a new kind of library.

  • One that, at least in principle, could contain all

  • of the information and all of the books in the world,

  • but Google Book Search is a story of a good idea gone bad.

  • As first conceived, it promised to do what Google did best,

  • that is it was going to be a search service

  • so that you could request information

  • and Google would provide on the screen

  • of your computer the word search surrounded by snippets.

  • So you would get a few sentences

  • that would tell you how this word figured in a book

  • and often, Google, even better, provided information

  • about the nearest library where you could get that book.

  • I mean, I think that was terrific

  • but that's not what happened, why?

  • Well because Google digitized books not only--

  • that were not only in the public domain, they crossed

  • over the boundary that separated public domain books

  • from books covered by copyright.

  • They came first to Harvard where we told them,

  • "Public domain books, yes; copyrighted books, no."

  • But they also came to Michigan and Stanford and the University

  • of California which did permit them

  • to digitize copyrighted books.

  • So instantly, they were sued for infringement of copyright

  • by the Authors Guild and the Association

  • of American Publishers.

  • And as soon as they suit was placed,

  • secret negotiations began.

  • These negotiations lasted almost for 3 years, and at the end,

  • there was an announcement

  • of something called "The Settlement."

  • Now the settlement was just the--

  • almost the opposite extreme

  • from the original Google search service.

  • It was the creation of a well, gigantic digital library

  • in which the libraries that had provided the books for Google

  • to digitize would be permitted to buy back digital copies

  • of those very same books at a prize to be determined by Google

  • without any public oversight or any limits.

  • And when I myself read the settlement

  • as it was being negotiated and finally announced, it seem to me

  • that the prize of access to this library could expand

  • out of hand just the way the prize

  • for periodicals had gone up.

  • So it-- I thought, for one, that this was not a good idea.

  • But I wasn't the only one who thought this

  • because of course it had to be submitted to a court.

  • And it was, as required, submitted to a court

  • and the Southern District of the-- of New York Federal Court.

  • It was a very interesting moment,

  • if I may open a parenthesis, the judge in this case was a--

  • is a man called Denny Chin.

  • And his story is a real American success story in many ways.

  • He arrived at age 5 with parents from China.

  • His father worked in a Chinese restaurant,

  • his mother swabbed floors;

  • they lived in the Hell's Kitchen district of New York City.

  • And we worked hard as a young boy.

  • Won a scholarship to Princeton, went to law school,

  • practiced for a while, became a judge,

  • and now he found himself the judge to decide a case which is,

  • I think, a monumental importance for whole future of books.

  • And you could say that Sergey Brin and Larry Page

  • of Google also represent things spectacular American's

  • success story.

  • You know developing Google in a garage and all

  • of that sort of thing.

  • They, too, were scholarships students with bright ideas.

  • So the two are confronted in this fascinating court case

  • which finally was announced, I mean,

  • the decision was announced in-- last March.

  • What judge Chin said was, "The Google Book settlement

  • that is a monopoly in violation of the Anti Sherman Trust Act."

  • And he based his argument on memos that were furnished

  • by the Department of Justice.

  • Very persuasive memos, I think I've read them all,

  • and even memos furnished by the Federal Republic of Germany

  • and the French Republic.

  • Not to mention, more that 400 people who were have, you know,

  • sending Amicus priest to the court saying,

  • "This is a bad idea," because it really came

  • down to dividing a pie.

  • Google would get 37 percent of the profits

  • and the litigants would get 63 percent, the public?

  • The public had no place in it whatsoever.

  • So Google Book Search was declared illegal.

  • And furthermore, it was a class action suit

  • so that judge Chin had to certify

  • that the Author's Guild really represented authors in general.

  • And he said, "No!

  • They don't nor does the Association

  • of American Publishers represent all publishers."

  • We could talk about class action suits if you like

  • but it's a fascinating example of trying to stretch one aspect

  • of American Law to cover something entirely new

  • in this new digital world, and it didn't work.

  • So my point is simply that Google chose the path

  • of commercialization when confronted with this conflict

  • about infringement of rights.

  • Whatever the faith of Google Book Search might be,

  • I think we must now take up where Google left off.

  • And in fact, we've been doing this long before judge Chin made

  • his decision.

  • In October of 2010, I called together a group of leaders

  • of foundations of libraries, computer scientists,

  • mathematicians, for an informal conference about the possibility

  • of creating an open access digital library.

  • And I sent just of page and half of general description.

  • The group came together

  • and almost immediately said, "We can do it.

  • We can do it technologically and we can do it financially."

  • So the heads of all the major foundations

  • in this country have said, "We will support this idea."

  • So the funding is there without going to congress.

  • I mean the hopes of getting anything

  • out of congress now are not great.

  • So we organized a steering committee, a secretariat

  • with a small grant from the Sloan Foundation

  • to cover administrative costs and other small costs.

  • Then we created 6 working groups which took up aspects

  • of very complicated program

  • to make this library actually happen.

  • And these working groups spread out throughout the country.

  • Lots of people were recruited from many different sectors

  • and they're hard at work at it.

  • Now, dealing with 5 basic problems which are the scope

  • and content of this DPLA, Digital Public Library

  • of America, its possible costs, the legal problems it will face,

  • its technical architecture, and its governance.

  • So, I don't have too much time left but I'd

  • like to discuss each of these 5

  • and then open the floor for questions.

  • Scope and content, the DPLA will not draw

  • on one gigantic database unlike Google.

  • It will be a distributed system which will aggregate collections

  • from many research libraries, museum, and other institutions.

  • It will provide one quick access to documents

  • in many formats including images, recordings, and videos.

  • But at first, it will concentrate

  • and consist primarily of books, books in the public domain.

  • Google digitized about 2 million books in the public domain

  • and copies of its digital files have been deposited

  • in this great repository known as the HathiTrust that some

  • of you might know about.

  • The Internet Archive which is a not-for-profit,

  • open access digitizing operation founded

  • by Brewster Kahle also has accumulated well

  • over a million digitized copies of public domain books.

  • So this exists already and what we want to do is

  • to bring it all together and make it available to everyone.

  • This material is largely already accessible online

  • so you might say, "Well okay, sounds great but what's

  • so wonderful about making it accessible all over again?"

  • And the answer is, this is just the beginning,

  • this will be the preliminary version of things

  • and it will include lots of material

  • that is undreamt of really by Google.

  • By that, I mean special collections.

  • Every great research library, such as yours here

  • at Dartmouth has fabulous special collections

  • and you've often digitized quite of bit of them.

  • At Harvard, we have something called the

  • "Open Collections Program"

  • in which we have digitize 2.3 million pages

  • of documents related to certain specific themes such as "Woman

  • at Work" and "Immigration" and "Voyages

  • of Scientific Discovery."

  • They're available on a repository we created free

  • of charge to everyone in the world.

  • The People's Republic of China came to us and asked

  • to digitize 51,500 of our rare Chinese books

  • because they're are not available in China

  • and so we've worked out an agreement

  • and they will be made available on the digital public library.

  • The-- another example but there are many,

  • many examples, concerns newspapers.

  • Every state has digitized all of the newspapers

  • in all of its collections.

  • They've been aggregated at the state level

  • and these 50 aggregated collections are

  • in turn being aggregated by the library of congress.

  • It's going to deposit all of them

  • in the digital public library of America.

  • So, already for starters, I think,

  • we will offer a fabulous treasure trove of information

  • to the American public.

  • Unfortunately, copyright laws prevent the public domain

  • from extending beyond 1923.

  • That means that most 20th century literature exists

  • in what librarians call a black hole.

  • It's covered by copyright and cannot be digitized

  • and made available without infringement of copyright.

  • So, what will our scope be and where will we draw the line?

  • Assuming we could get around the copyright laws, I'll discuss

  • that in a minute, some of us argue

  • that the DPLA should cons--

  • have everything right up to the present.

  • My own argument, but it's just mine, is that no, it should stay

  • out of the current market place for books.

  • And that we should have what you could call a moving wall

  • so that anything published during the last 5 years

  • or maybe the last 10 years would not be available

  • and we would not therefore threaten the interest

  • of publishers and authors who are understandably trying

  • to make money from the publication of books.

  • How long is the shelf life of a book?

  • I don't have an answer to that question but first of all,

  • most books never make it onto the shelves of bookstores.

  • Bookstores are going

  • out of business do a considerable extent.

  • But if the books did make it onto the shelves of a bookstore,

  • the bookstore existed.

  • How long would it be there?

  • Few days? Few weeks?

  • Then they disappear, remaindered or, you know, sent back,

  • returns, it's the plague of publishing.

  • So, I think actually that it would be in the interest

  • of many authors who once the economic of demand

  • for their book have disappeared to make those books available

  • for maybe a small free or indeed, free of charge.

  • Authors want readers and I'm sure many

  • of you here are authors and--

  • okay, academics don't hit the jackpot very often

  • but you might make of nothing royalties to take your husband

  • or wife out for supper once a year [laughter].

  • Anyhow, that's my case generally.

  • So, I think that we could, if possible,

  • have a fabulous library

  • that could include virtually everything

  • but not invade the commercial market.

  • Second point concerns costs.

  • Now, as I said, the DPLA will almost certainly be a

  • distributed system which will aggregate collections

  • that already exist in dozens of research libraries.

  • When it opens, it will probably contain only these basic stock

  • which I've just describe, but from that point onward,

  • it will grow as fast as its budget permits.

  • So what should its budget be?

  • Well, of course a lot of money will go

  • into the technological infrastructure

  • and then the administration,

  • although we hope it will not be heavily administered,

  • we don't want a lot of management in it.

  • But we can take the example of Europeana, I don't know how many

  • of you know Europeana.

  • It's an aggregator of collections in Europe.

  • So it's actually located in the Netherlands

  • and it aggregates already aggregated collections

  • in 27 European countries and it's not yet gone online.

  • It tried it once a few years ago and crashed

  • because there was so much demand.

  • But it will be going online again soon

  • and we are coordinating the design of our DPLA

  • so that it will be interoperable with that of Europeana.

  • In other words, we're working towards a worldwide system

  • of distribution.

  • Europeana's budget is only 5 million euros a year,

  • a very modest budget.

  • But of course, it doesn't digitize itself,

  • it doesn't under take preservation,

  • it doesn't do a lot of things that we want

  • to do for-- at the DPLA.

  • What would it cost if the DPLA led a major effort

  • to digitize books that are covered by copyright but are

  • out of print or commercially unavailable as Google calls it.

  • Well Brewster Kahle who's digitized more

  • than a million books for his internet archive says,

  • "I can digitize a book for 10 cents a page,"

  • and if you take a book of about 300 pages,

  • that comes to 30 dollars, not really very expensive.

  • Others think that's not really realistic although Brewster has

  • a lot of experience of digitizing.

  • They say, "Well, a dollar of page is more I like it,"

  • there's a big debate as to what the costs are but they're going

  • down all the time thanks to technological improvements.

  • So, it's true that we can-- we must not only digitize

  • but we have other functions to fulfill such as, well,

  • perfecting metadata, that is descriptions

  • of how you can locate the book.

  • We must do something about preservation.

  • It's fine to digitize but you have a responsibility

  • to preserve the book and we estimate

  • that preservation will be something like 20 percent

  • of the digital or digitizing costs.

  • And there are other possible services such as curation

  • and the development of apps of all sorts.

  • In fact, we will have a pilot project that we call a

  • "Scanabago" something like a Winnebago that will go

  • out to small towns in Massachusetts as a pilot

  • and just offer to scan tiny little special collections

  • in public libraries and then to help

  • that library develop its own collections too.

  • So, we see quite an important grass roots element

  • to all of these.

  • So, by combining ballpark or if you like,

  • back of the envelope estimates, I would think

  • that we could digitize a million books a year or an annual budget

  • of 75 to 100 million dollars.

  • The budget of the Library of Congress, by the way,

  • in 2010 came to 684 million dollars.

  • So, if a grand coalition of foundation contributed,

  • say 100 million a year, a great library would exist

  • within a decade.

  • Double that rate and the library would soon be the greatest

  • that ever existed.

  • But we don't need to rush, we must do the job right

  • and unfortunately, Google and much

  • of its digitizing didn't do the job right.

  • You've probably seen books in which a hand appears covering

  • up the page because the scanner forgot

  • to remove his or her hand.

  • And, then there's a metadata of Google which is famous because,

  • you know, they don't talk about books, they just talk

  • about information or data points.

  • And, so they cata-- they catalogued Walt Whitman's Leaves

  • of Grass under "Gardening."

  • So, we can do better than that and we are trying

  • to design a library that will last for centuries.

  • But it could grow gradually on a budget

  • of let's say only 10 million dollars a year.

  • Third point has to do with legal issues.

  • Dan, am I going over the time?

  • I should-- I can hurry up--

  • >> No, actually it's fine.

  • [Simultaneous Talking]

  • >> Am I-- okay, so I don't want to keep you too long

  • and you may have questions, I'm almost finished.

  • But the legal issues, I really see this

  • as the most important problem of all.

  • Of course, the DPLA must and will respect copyright.

  • How far can it go in making accessible books that are

  • out of print but covered by copyright?

  • Well, that depends on the possibility

  • of modifying the copyright laws by legislation

  • or perhaps on other strategies.

  • Now, the history of copyright in the United States goes back

  • to article 1 section 8 clause 8 of The Constitution

  • which sets 2 objectives, I quote, " To promote a progress

  • of science and useful arts, for securing for limited times

  • to authors and inventors the exclusive right

  • to their respective writings and discoveries."

  • The first copyright law passed in 1790 struck a balance,

  • I think, between those 2 objectives, how?

  • By giving authors the exclusive right to the income

  • from their books for 14 years renewable once.

  • And that provision in 1790 actually was--

  • took up the model provided by Britain.

  • In that first copyright act in existence, the Statute of Anne

  • in 1710, exactly the same objectives are announced,

  • and a balance was struck between the welfare of the public

  • on the one hand and that of the booksellers and authors

  • on the other and this deal was the same,

  • 14 years renewable once.

  • But the Company of Stationers, the booksellers,

  • publishers protested and there were series of trials

  • that go right through the 18th century.

  • They're really quite fascinating involving people

  • like Alexander Pope, you know, great figures

  • in English Literature, and they were finally decided

  • in a famous case of 1774 for Donaldson versus Becket

  • by the House of Lords, actually, 14 years renewable once.

  • So that's where we got our model and, you know, it wasn't so bad.

  • The basic point was no perpetual copyright even though the best

  • lawyers in England had argued for it.

  • Copyright should not be perpetual.

  • Now, in the debate over the re--

  • so called extension of the Copyright Act of 1998,

  • in the American congress, the key actor was Jack Valenti,

  • the lobbyist for Hollywood, basically.

  • And Valenti was asked, "Mr. Valenti, do you believe

  • in perpetual copyright?"

  • And he said, "No.

  • Certainly not, I think copyright should be forever minus

  • one day."

  • [Laughter] So that's what we're up against

  • and you could say the Jefferson's taper has almost

  • died out.

  • The current limit of copyright,

  • the life of the author plus 70 years or 95 years,

  • in the case of corporate creations like Mickey Mouse,

  • it's known as the said Mickey Mouse Copyright Renewal act

  • of 1998.

  • This is in practice more than a century for every book.

  • And so we're keeping the vast bulk of our literature

  • out of the public domain where I think the bulk of it belongs.

  • So what can we do about this?

  • Well, it's a long and complicated story, you could say

  • that further legislation would solve the problem.

  • However, lobbyist have had such a heavy hand in attempts

  • to pass legislation especially about orphan books,

  • books whose copyright owners can't be identified, that--

  • it's a rather discouraging story.

  • There attempts in 2006 and 2008 to pass orphan book legislation

  • and people I know who followed this closely said the lobbyist

  • massacre, especially the 2008 bill which was never passed

  • so badly that it would have been worse

  • than having no bill at all.

  • So it's difficult to summon up much confidence about help

  • from congress, above a lot of things, not just copyright.

  • [Laughter] What about fair use?

  • Well, in the Copyright Act of 1976, there's a thing

  • as sector 107 and 108 which have been gone over endlessly

  • by lawyers and others because that's were the provision is

  • made for fair use.

  • And you use that of course today in your library

  • when you allow copyrighted articles to be made available

  • in classes for example.

  • Can we expand this Fair Use Act in such a way that it would hold

  • up in court for the public and not

  • for profit institution devoted to the public good?

  • I think that would be wonderful if we could do it

  • but my lawyer friends say very dicy.

  • And furthermore, if we-- once we get the DPLA up and running,

  • would we want to take the risk of so many suits especially

  • when damages begin at 100,000 dollars?

  • So I think we probably won't follow that path.

  • What else could we do?

  • Well, there are other things and I won't go into this

  • in too much detail 'cause I'm taking too long,

  • but there is a fascinating provision

  • that is working very nicely

  • in Scandinavia called Extended Collective Licensing Agreements.

  • And if you want, we could talk a little bit more about that.

  • But let me come to some of the other last 2 points,

  • first the technical architecture, I mean,

  • I was delighted to meet some

  • of your young computer scientists here,

  • a very impressive group.

  • And we are working very closely with computer scientists

  • for the technological infrastructure of the DPLA.

  • In fact in June, we announced what we called a "Beta Sprint"

  • and invited computers--

  • or anyone, anywhere to submit suggestions,

  • maybe an overall blueprint for the technological design

  • of the library or particular apps or aspects of it.

  • 60 people or groups responded instantly,

  • and finally 40 competed.

  • There was lot of enthusiasm in the world of computer science

  • for this kind of a project and they were given 3 months

  • in this so-called "Beta Sprint" to come

  • up with a finish suggestion.

  • A blue ribbon jury passed judgment

  • on which ones was-- ones were the best.

  • And last October, we held a large meeting

  • in Washington hosted by the Library of Congress,

  • the Smithsonian Institution, the NAH,

  • and we announced the winners.

  • There were actually 6 winners

  • and we are incorporating their ideas in the first prototype

  • which we will have developed in 2 months

  • and then it will be submitted for further critiques

  • and finally, it would be ready when the DPLA gets up

  • and running in April 2013, April 2013, that's tomorrow.

  • The race to this deadline may seem breathtaking

  • but it's fueled by enthusiasm and energy.

  • Leading figures in Computer Science Information Technology

  • and Library Science have assured us that the task is doable

  • and we will get it done.

  • Last point concerns governance.

  • Here, I shall be brief because I'm not--

  • not just I'm running out of time,

  • but we haven't made major decisions.

  • For example, where should the DPLA be located

  • when it has offices?

  • Who should lead it?

  • To whom should it be responsible?

  • How will it formulate policy and administer its services?

  • The present secretariat is doing a good job but it won't continue

  • after April 2013 because it's a Harvard operation

  • and people love to-- I don't know if you suffer these much

  • at Dartmouth but they love to point the finger at us and say,

  • "Elitism," I mean, the number one cuss word when it comes

  • to the throwing around of epithets.

  • And it's not going to be a library for the elite;

  • I mean I think that advanced researchers will benefit

  • enormously from it.

  • But we're aiming this library at ordinary people.

  • Think of community colleges, a community college

  • in North Dakota or Alabama which doesn't really have a library.

  • We can make available to them a library that will be as great

  • or greater than the Library of Congress, free of charge.

  • K through 12 schools, retirement homes,

  • individuals who are just curious about things and would

  • like to find out more, scattered all around the country and all

  • over the world, this is a sort of public we're aiming for.

  • The public that goes to public libraries and leaders

  • of public libraries are part of ours steering committee

  • and are helping us design this.

  • But we haven't reached final decisions

  • about if you like governance.

  • We just know that we are aiming at a very broad constituency,

  • we might create a-- an independent new organization

  • by taking advantage of Section 501C3

  • of the Internal Revenue Code and setting

  • up a tax-exempt corporation.

  • At present, most people involve in this effort agree

  • that it should not be part of the Federal Government,

  • it should be free of political pressures of any kind.

  • It might resemble maybe the National Academy of Sciences

  • or perhaps the BBC, in fact, however,

  • it won't resemble anything because nothing

  • like it has ever existed, a library without walls

  • that will extend everywhere

  • and contain nearly everything available

  • in the walled-in repositories of human culture.

  • E Pluribus Unum, Jefferson would have loved it, Thank you.

  • [ Applause ]

  • >> We do have time for few questions,

  • [background noise] I'll let you orchestrate how [inaudible]

  • do this.

  • >> Okay, yes ma'am?

  • >> In the publishing world, we know that it's very hard

  • for many writers and editors to earn a living [inaudible].

  • So what-- for example, in Scandinavia

  • when someone places a book out of the library,

  • they often get some royalty [inaudible].

  • So what royalty [inaudible] understand

  • or help developers feel settled on for this process.

  • >> Right, can you hear me okay?

  • >> Yup.

  • >> Well, the Authors Guild is adamant

  • about continuing the Google suit, I mean, I could go on

  • and on about the Google suit but you see

  • after Judge Chin declared the suit unrecievable,

  • it reverted to the original copyright suit

  • and I think the publishers are going to make a separate deal,

  • but the Authors Guild is pushing this still to this day.

  • And-- so, it's very militant about trying

  • to protect the royalties of authors

  • and that's understandable.

  • Authors deserve royalties.

  • So what will we do about it, that's the question.

  • Well, in the case of Norway, every Norwegian has the right

  • to read every book in Norwegian--

  • in Norway and the owner of the rights is paid a certain sum

  • of money per page read.

  • That sum of money comes from the--

  • kind of escrow fund that is collected

  • by the Norwegian government and you might say to me,

  • "They have oil nearby."

  • [Laughter] And furthermore, there's something about life

  • in Scandinavia because there's a similar outfit in Sweden

  • and in Denmark and in Finland.

  • There's something about the sense of the public good

  • in these countries that I think is much stronger

  • than what we have here.

  • Still, it seems to me that we can create an escrow fund

  • but we must have the agreement of a representative group

  • of authors and of publishers to do this.

  • And I'm not sure how we can get their agreement.

  • So, we need to woo them but I actually, I mean,

  • I was a trustee of the Oxford University Press for 15 years.

  • It's a-- it's-- okay, a university press

  • but it's a huge press that sells a lot of books.

  • As some would say, it's a "Trade Press."

  • It's both trade and university press.

  • These-- it's devoted really to this spread of knowledge.

  • And I think a lot of publishers care

  • about literature that's why they went

  • into this not very lucrative trade in the first place.

  • So if we don't invade the current commercial market

  • and undercut them in that way, it seems to me we ought

  • to be able to win their support.

  • And we can do so by giving a reasonable loyalty

  • for the consultation of these books that's my hope.

  • >> Yes?

  • >> If I understood you correctly,

  • the academic publishing, the journals and magazines,

  • talked a little bit out of the site [inaudible].

  • >> Right.

  • >> And I was on Laudenbach in Germany years ago

  • and we had the same problem there discussing this--

  • particularly with digital publishing.

  • And the idea that came up again and again there was

  • if everything is already in place by academics

  • on pure review to publications and support them,

  • it's basically the academics should do the work.

  • And the infrastructure's also the only other hand in terms

  • of digital publishing.

  • Why can't we do it on the [inaudible]

  • and just bypassing the entire tremendous

  • and scandalous cost for publishing?

  • Would that be-- wouldn't that be also an aspect we integrated

  • into this monogamous system of security?

  • >> I couldn't agree more.

  • Now, the attempts to reverse the economics of journal publishing,

  • I mentioned just briefly in passing, but it does involve not

  • so much the DPLA although it might someday.

  • It really involves instead processing fees.

  • So, the idea is to-- for universities,

  • to pay for what sometimes called "Authors fees"

  • to subsidize articles that will go into open access journals

  • and often grants to scientists have a certain amount

  • for publication as well.

  • So there's hope for this.

  • And at Harvard, we have a program and we subsidize

  • up to a thousand dollars per professor.

  • This is beginning to spread and I'm happy to say

  • that Dartmouth is part of this attempt to reverse the economics

  • of journal publishing.

  • And you're right, you know, it's doable

  • but you probably know the story

  • of the Max Planck Institute in Germany.

  • They tried to do it, they held out for, I think it was

  • about 3 months, and then they collapsed

  • in the face of Springer.

  • So, it's not easy and I think it's going to take time

  • but it's got to work because it's so rational compared

  • with what we have now.

  • And so once we tip the balance in favor of open access,

  • I think that this will work

  • and there will still be closed accessed journals, you know,

  • cell and nature are not about to disappear

  • but they don't represent the bulk of things.

  • So I'm hopeful in that respect.

  • >> There's a gentleman back there.

  • >> In New England, in many places,

  • there is a long-standing tradition

  • of municipal libraries, the town library,

  • what might be the effect

  • of Universal Digital Library on the town library?

  • >> Yeah. Well, that's a very good question and it's one

  • that we care about passionately.

  • We want to support and reinforce town public libraries.

  • So, we had a debate about even using the word "public",

  • you know, you could call it the Digital Library of America,

  • and frankly, I prefer that as a term because it--

  • you know, there's a danger of being misunderstood.

  • And so, some people might feel that if we provide all

  • of this material free of charge

  • that municipalities can reduce their budgets

  • for public libraries.

  • That's not the case.

  • So I think what will happen especially

  • if we have a moving wall, such as the one I described,

  • is that public libraries will continue to do what they do

  • so well to satisfy the demand of their--

  • demands of their users by making available current best-sellers,

  • current books of all sorts, DVDs, videos, magazines,

  • and that the Digital Public Library will provide them

  • with a vast corpus of works

  • that were published 10 years ago and beyond.

  • So I think it will enrich public libraries enormously.

  • And in fact, we have several public librarians

  • on our steering committee and they agreed with this.

  • So we are deeply committed to helping public libraries.

  • >> You talked briefly about quality issues with services

  • like Google Books in terms

  • of reproduction quality and quality control.

  • But you also talked

  • about reducing cost per page per scanning.

  • How do you see the DPLA interfacing

  • with special collections preservation efforts,

  • and what can determine your standard or the resolution

  • and the quality of expense that you're introducing?

  • >> Yeah. It's an excellent question.

  • I may not have an adequate answer to it because first

  • of all, a lot of these digitizing

  • of special collections has been done on the spot.

  • And so the quality is assured by people like your librarian

  • and your rare book collections

  • or wherever these works maybe located.

  • I think it's fair to say that in general, when it comes

  • to digitizing special collections,

  • libraries take great care with them.

  • Certainly at Harvard, we do-- we have a huge digitizing operation

  • on the D-floor of Widener, it's expensive.

  • The quality is terrific but actually it's so good

  • that I think we could do with much worse quality

  • to get the grade bulk of books out there and not, you know,

  • the medieval manuscripts would be digitized correctly

  • at high price-- at a high price.

  • So I think for the special collections

  • that are being digitized by libraries, the quality is not

  • so much a problem but the DPLA probably won't have--

  • we might set up quality standards

  • but we'll have no power

  • to determine how the digitizing is done provided it meets

  • certain standards.

  • So I don't think that's a real a problem but it's a good point

  • because we want to lower the costs of digitizing.

  • Now, I-- maybe some computer scientist can correct me,

  • but the information I have from our large section of IT

  • in the Harvard library is the costs of preservation,

  • for example, are going down tremendously year after a year.

  • Some say by 50 percent each year.

  • And the costs of scanning,

  • scanners are now quite inexpensive.

  • So I think the technology is working in our favor

  • and that this is not going to be a major problem.

  • >> Maybe just one more question.

  • >> Mr. Darnton--

  • [ Inaudible Remark ]

  • >> Yes.

  • >> Can you tell us more about it?

  • >> Yes, that's called an espresso book machine.

  • [Laughter] And the idea is you print a book

  • in about the time it takes to get an espresso coffee.

  • Now, we have one actually in the Harvard bookstore

  • across the street from Widener Library.

  • So you, the user, go into the book shop

  • and there's a computer there and you order a title.

  • The order goes to a digital database.

  • The text is returned and downloaded on a machine

  • in a matter of seconds.

  • The machine is a wonderful glass-enclosed printing machine.

  • >> I saw that.

  • >> And you saw that it worked.

  • It can print the text, trim the pages, attach a paperback cover

  • in less than 4 minutes.

  • And it can do so-- the prices vary

  • because the publishers set the prices.

  • But the prices are often 8 dollars for a paperback.

  • That means that you can, through Print on Demand,

  • have access to a whole world of literature if you happen to like

  • to read printed books instead of to read on reading devices.

  • And that's an example of what I meant

  • when I said think the analogue and the digital are at war

  • with one another because here we're using great digital

  • electronic technology to reinforce the printed book.

  • And I've-- they've printed several of my own books,

  • I think that the Print on Demand copy is every bit

  • as good as the original.

  • So, that's-- we're doing lots

  • of wonderful things right now and I--

  • >> [Inaudible] through Oxford be available to that one?

  • >> That depends on how [inaudible]--

  • >> At Cambridge.

  • >> And Cambridge, sure-- [Inaudible Remark] Yeah,

  • especially at Cambridge.

  • >> And-- [Laughter]

  • >> I was a student at Oxford but never mind.

  • >> Thank you very much.

  • >> All right.

  • >> No, but there is something called

  • "Oxford Scholarship" online which is an attempt

  • to bring the back list of Oxford

  • within the paying power of a large public.

  • >> All right Bob, thanks so much.

  • [ Applause ]

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