You were on a call yesterday.

你昨天在打電話

That was, uh, maybe one of them or 2020 bowl game incidents will ever see.

那是，呃，也許其中一個或2020年的碗賽事件將永遠看到。

It's easy to joke about, but also very serious.

開玩笑容易，但也很嚴肅。

You, uh you were obviously, uh, part of it.

你，呃... ...你顯然是，呃，它的一部分。

And you saw go down with the Armed Forces Bowl and it was Tulsa, Mississippi State.

你看到的是 "武裝部隊杯"，是密西西比州的塔爾薩。

After the game, it got heated.

比賽結束後，氣氛熱烈起來。

And when I say he did were used to a certain level of okay, guys got fired up.

而當我說他做的都習慣了一定程度的還好，夥計們就火了。

Whatever.

管他呢

No, this turned into a full on parole.

這不，就變成了完全的假釋。

And, I mean, when when I say brawl, I mean, not just shoving, We're talking punches were talking kicks.

而且，我的意思是，當我說爭吵， 我的意思是，不只是推搡， 我們說的拳頭是說踢。

We're talking people knocked on the ground and just being attacked.

我們說的是人被打倒在地，只是被攻擊。

I mean, there's no way to put this.

我的意思是，有沒有辦法把這個。

That wasn't what it is.

這不是它是什麼。

I mean, any other place that this happens, it would have been a criminal offensive was an absolute brawl.

我的意思是，其他任何地方發生這種情況，都會是一種犯罪行為，是絕對的鬥毆。

So So walk me through because I saw it.

所以... ...帶我去看看，因為我看到了。

But I mean, walk me through what you were thinking when you're watching this go down on a game that you're calling s.

但我的意思是，陪我走過你在想什麼 當你看著這場比賽，你叫S。

So we're starting to go on, Go on, go off air and the teams are coming together in the middle of the field, handshaking and the thing.

所以我們開始上場了，上場了，下場了，各隊都在場中走到一起，握手什麼的。

It just exploded.

它只是爆炸了。

And you kind of saw the beginning of that with the coaches in between on.

而你也算是看到了這一點的開始，與教練之間在上。

Then it just progressively got worse and worse.

然後就逐漸變得越來越糟。

And it was scary because they were single players, like there were kind of circled around by the opposing team that were being pinned down, being kicked.

而且很可怕，因為他們是單人球員，就像有種被對方隊友圈住，被壓制，被踢的感覺。

You know, multiple players kicking them in the ribs and the head on guys running and just It kind of got the feel of like, You don't you don't realize.

你知道，多個球員踢他們的肋骨 和頭的傢伙跑，只是它有點像的感覺， 你不，你不知道。

I mean these air, £300 men, these the biggest people you've ever met, throwing punches at each other and landing.

我的意思是，這些空氣，300英鎊的男人，這些最大的人，你見過的，扔在對方的拳頭和土地。

I mean, you look at their I mean, that's the starting safety for Tulsa being helped off the field after he couldn't breathe.

我的意思是，你看他們的，我的意思是，這是首發安全塔爾薩被幫助後，他無法呼吸的領域。

And those injuries, like that's a real picture like that right there.

而那些傷害，就像那是一幅真實的畫面一樣，就在那裡。

I mean it.

我是認真的

That's like a criminal criminal defense to be toe be out.

這就像刑事犯罪的辯護，要趾高氣揚的出。

I mean, you're in public.

我的意思是，你在公共場合。

Doesn't matter if it's football.

如果是足球，那就無所謂了。

And I thought the most disgusting thing of everything was Mike Leach after the game when he was interviewed.

而我覺得最噁心的是邁克-利奇賽後接受採訪時的一切。

He's like, Well, you know, they're football players.

他說，嗯，你知道，他們是足球運動員。

They're gonna get hit hit.

他們會被擊中擊中。

They're gonna happen to me.

他們會發生在我身上。

You've got to take more leadership from that.

你要從中獲得更多的領導力。

Well, let's get to some straight talk brought to you by straight talk Wireless.

好了，讓我們來談談直言無線給大家帶來的直言。

This is a little what Mike Leach said when he was with Ian Fitzsimmons after the game about the brawl.

這是邁克-利奇在賽後和伊恩-菲茨西蒙斯一起討論鬥毆事件時說的一點話。

This is a football game, so we're not gonna be tearing cloth over this deal.

這是一場橄欖球比賽，所以我們不會因為這個交易而撕破布。

I mean, you know, somebody went to a football game and somebody got hit.

我是說，你知道，有人去看足球賽，有人被打了。

I mean, you know, there's a point where I'm not gonna lose my mind over, but I just don't like that.

我的意思是，你知道，有一個點，我不會失去我的腦海裡， 但我只是不喜歡這樣。

You know, we're undisciplined in some situations where I thought we if you control yourself mentally, emotionally, you put yourself in a better position.

你知道，我們在某些情況下沒有紀律，我想我們如果你控制自己的心理，情緒，你會讓自己處於更好的位置。

He went to the game with control yourself mentally and emotionally, without even addressing the fact that they were so mentally and emotionally out of control afterwards, that this brawl happened, not just them, both sides of it.

他是帶著控制自己的心理和情緒去比賽的，根本沒有解決他們事後心理和情緒失控的問題，這場鬥毆的發生，不僅僅是他們，雙方都是如此。

But let's be clear here at some point.

但我們在這裡要明確一些問題。

It is his job as a head coach to create a culture that doesn't allow that to happen, or when it does happen to create some level of accountability.

作為一名主教練，他的工作就是創造一種不允許這種情況發生的文化，或者當這種情況發生時，創造某種程度的問責制。

Mike Leach absolutely walked this entire thing back in some way that tried to make it not a big deal.

邁克-利奇絕對是用某種方式把這件事走了回來，試圖讓它不是一個大問題。

It's disgusting for somebody that has paid as much as Mike Leakages toe lead young men to then turn around as the leader of young men and not immediately say, Hey, that's not what we're about.

這是令人厭惡的人，已經支付了大量的邁克Leakages上司年輕人，然後轉身作為年輕人的領導者，而不是立即說，嘿，這不是我們的目的。

That's not what this program will be about.

這不是這個計劃的目的。

That's not how we will do this.

我們不會這樣做的。

I mean, for me, Mark, this was absolutely gross.

我的意思是，對我來說，馬克，這絕對是噁心。

Is the fight was It's equally is gross for somebody that has paid the way.

是戰鬥是它同樣是毛的人，已經支付的方式。

Mike Leach is specifically to be an educator and a leader and a representative of Mississippi State to represent the school.

邁克-利奇是專門做一個教育家和領導者，也是密西西比州代表學校的代表。

That way, if a player handled that same situation that same way, we would be vilifying him.

這樣一來，如果一個球員以同樣的方式處理同樣的情況，我們就會詆譭他。

I will hold Mike Leach toe a higher standard because that's what happens when you put the title coach in front of somebody.

我會給邁克-利奇一個更高的標準，因為這就是你把冠軍教練放在別人面前的後果。

He had to be better in this moment.

他必須在這一刻變得更好。

He wasn't and it is absolutely a low point in the coaching career of Mike Leigh, absolutely, and Dean Fitzsimmons credit on the after the game when he was asking a question he gave.

他不是，這絕對是邁克-利教練生涯的一個低點，絕對是，迪恩-菲茨西蒙斯的功勞，在賽後他問一個問題時，他給了。

He gave Mike Leach every opportunity to say this was wrong.

他給了邁克-利奇各種機會說這是錯誤的。

I'm gonna talk to my players about it.

我要和我的隊員們談談這個問題。

But that was just not the initial reaction.

但這只是最初的反應不是這樣。

Initial reaction was Oh, we're out here on a football field between the white lines.

最初的反應是哦，我們在白線之間的足球場上。

Yeah, of course, people are gonna get hit.

是的，當然，人們會被擊中。

Not like that.

不是這樣的

Not not illegally.

不是非法的。

Not in ways that you would actually get arrested on the street for.

而不是你在街上被捕的方式。

You don't get the opportunity to do that regardless of whether you're wearing uniforms or not.

不管你是否穿著制服，你都沒有機會這樣做。

And to your point, you have even more responsibility because of that uniformed that you are wearing that Mississippi State logo on your chest, that name on the back plate.

而對於你的觀點，你有更多的責任，因為你穿著那件制服，你胸前的密西西比州的標誌，背板上的名字。

I mean, think about the parents who are watching that and watching their sons either get hit or hitting.

我的意思是，想想那些看熱鬧的父母，看著自己的兒子不是被打就是被打。

And I mean, it's a disappointing moment all around.

我的意思是，這是一個令人失望的時刻周圍。

But you're right, Mike Leach.

但你是對的，邁克-利奇。

When you are the leader of young men, you create a society.

當你是年輕人的領袖，你就會創造一個社會。

You create a culture amongst your team that either allows this to happen or doesn't.

你要在你的團隊中創造一種文化，要麼允許這種情況發生，要麼不允許。

And that does not mean that Phillip Montgomery in Tulsa team, they're off the hook either.

而這也並不意味著圖爾薩隊的菲利普-蒙哥馬利，他們就可以脫身了。

I mean, that Phillip Montgomery didn't really condemn it as much as I wanted him to in this press conference after either.

我的意思是，那個菲利普-蒙哥馬利在之後的這個新聞發佈會上，也沒有像我想的那樣，真的譴責它。

But, I mean, this was disgusting.

但是，我的意思是，這是令人厭惡的。

So sad.

好傷心啊

I mean, these are young men, and honestly, I think that look at that.

我的意思是，這些都是年輕人，說實話，我認為，看看那。

I mean, you're kicking guys in the face and that that's that's what just blows my mind and you're right.

我的意思是，你在踢人的臉，那是... ...那是什麼只是吹我的腦海裡，你是對的。

Phillip Montgomery is the Tulsa coach, and the quote that we have on ESPN dot com is the one thing I'll say is our program.

菲利普-蒙哥馬利是塔爾薩的教練，我們在ESPN點com上的報價是我要說的一件事是我們的計劃。

Our guys were a team that's going to stand up for each other, and we're gonna battle.

我們的隊員們是一支會互相支持的隊伍，我們要戰鬥。

That entire statement just says, No, we're good with it.

這整個聲明只是說，不，我們很好用。

Like when you get pushed far enough, you're allowed to push back.

比如當你被推得夠遠的時候，你就可以推回去。

These are not Children.

他們不是孩子。

These air, these air adults, these airmen.

這些空氣，這些空氣大人，這些空氣人。

At this point, they are of an age where if they did that on the street, they could be criminally prosecuted as adults.

此時，他們已經到了一個年齡，如果他們在大街上這麼做，可能會被當作成年人進行刑事起訴。

We have to understand that they are adults, and the ultimate adult in the room is again the coach that's leading them.

我們要明白，他們是成年人，而房間裡最終的成年人又是帶領他們的教練。

So I understand that a coach can't get in the middle of a brawl between all of these kids and successfully break it up that's not likely to happen when emotion has gotten to that point.

所以我明白，一個教練不可能在所有這些孩子之間的爭吵中，成功地將其打破，當情緒已經到了那個地步，這是不可能發生的。

What I'm asking for is some level of accountability from coaches on both sides to stand up and immediately say no, no, whatever, whatever that was.

我要求的是雙方教練要有一定程度的責任心，站出來立即說不，不，不管，不管那是什麼。

It is not what this university represents because we asked the players to everywhere they go and everything to do and everything they say.

這不是這所大學所代表的，因為我們要求球員們走到哪裡，做什麼，說什麼。

We asked them to represent the university that they wear, and that's something that coaches preach all the time to college kids.

我們要求他們代表他們所穿的大學，這也是教練一直對大學生宣揚的東西。

How can we not hold coaches to the same standard, especially if you're the highest paid educator out of school?

我們怎麼能不以同樣的標準來要求教練，尤其是當你是學校裡工資最高的教育工作者出來的時候？

And that's what a coach is like.

而教練就是這樣的。

You are the highest paid educator.

你是工資最高的教育工作者。

Mike Leach makes $5 million.

邁克-利奇賺了500萬美元。

I mean, that's that's really that's really money to create something that's bigger and better.

我的意思是，那是... ...那是真正的... ...那是真正的錢來創造更大更好的東西。

And he sits in living rooms and says, I'm gonna raise a young man that you could be proud of, Man, that's an epic Fail.

他坐在客廳裡說，我要養一個年輕人，你可以為之驕傲，夥計，這是一個史詩般的失敗。

Everybody that was involved in that fight was an epic fail, and it's an epic fail for Mike Leach to not have a higher level accountability.

參與那場比賽的每個人都是一個史詩級的失敗，而邁克-利奇沒有更高層次的責任心，這也是一個史詩級的失敗。

As you can see, I'm fired up about it.

正如你所看到的，我被炒了起來。

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感謝您在YouTube上觀看ESPN的體育直播和優質內容。