Absolutely.

絕對的

I mean, I think we don't have any elite quarterbacks that don't go to the playoffs and understand that this year he's injured.

我的意思是，我認為我們沒有任何精英四分衛不進入季後賽，並明白今年他受傷了。

Going into this game is gonna be a tough situation, and it may not work out for him.

進入這場比賽會是一個艱難的局面，對他來說可能不會成功。

But no one's gonna go into next season saying that he's an elite quarterback.

但沒有人會在下個賽季說他是個精英四分衛。

If he can't get his team to the playoffs, I'm not sure what you would point to to say that he was elite, and I understand that the passing stats aren't alone.

如果他不能把球隊帶進季後賽，我不知道你會指著什麼說他是精英，我明白，傳球數據並不是唯一的。

Don't fully, um, describe how important he is to this team.

不要完全，嗯，描述他對這支球隊有多重要。

He, in many ways like Lamar Jackson, is the offense of this team.

他，在很多方面和拉瑪爾-傑克遜一樣，是這支球隊的進攻者。

They build everything around his unique ability.

他們圍繞著他的獨特能力建立一切。

So I'm not saying that he's not good or even close to great.

所以我並不是說他不優秀，甚至接近偉大。

But elite to me means something different, and you don't become an elite quarterback in my mind until you not only get to the playoffs, but you make some big plays.

但對我來說，精英的意義是不同的，在我看來，你不僅要進入季後賽，還要打出一些大場面，才能成為精英四分衛。

We have some big playoff moments like those are the elite guys.

我們有一些大的季後賽時刻，比如那些是精英的傢伙。

Being a franchise guy is different.

做加盟商就不一樣了。

Being a starter is different.

作為主力隊員就不同了。

Being a Pro Bowler is different.

成為職業碗手就不同了。

Being a good quarterback is different.

做一個好的四分衛是不一樣的。

But elite quarterbacks, they go to the playoffs and they play well.

但精英四分衛，他們進入季後賽，他們打得很好。

And I'm not trying to take a knock Kyler Murray at all.

我也不是想打擊凱勒-穆雷。

I thought that he was gonna have a better year this year than he did, and there are a lot of reasons why he hasn't kind of progress the way we hoped he would.

我以為他今年會有更好的表現，有很多原因導致他沒有像我們希望的那樣進步。

And a lot of people could point to Cliff Kingsbury or point toe the up and down nature of that defense.

而很多人都可以指向克里夫-金斯伯裡，或者指向那條防線的起伏性。

But the fact that the matter is none of that matters in the way that we judge quarterbacks like either You're having the success that elite quarterbacks have, in which case we consider you elite or you're not.

但事實上，這些都不重要，在我們評判四分衛的方式中，比如要麼你有精英四分衛的成功，在這種情況下，我們認為你是精英，要麼你不是。

And we don't call you that until you do.

在你不這麼做之前，我們不會這麼叫你。

And this is early in his career, so maybe at some point he'll reach that level and I think he will.

而這是他職業生涯的早期，所以也許在某些時候他會達到這個水準，我想他會的。

I hope he will, but he's not gonna get there and no one's gonna call him and lied.

我希望他能做到，但他不會去那裡，也沒有人會叫他撒謊。

And I doubt he would consider himself in elite quarterback until he gets to the playoffs and has those big moments that we've seen other elite quarterbacks have.

而且我懷疑他是否會認為自己是精英四分衛，直到他進入季後賽，並擁有那些我們已經看到其他精英四分衛的重要時刻。

Yeah, Look, hey, makes some great points.

是啊，你看，嘿，提出了一些偉大的觀點。

I think when when you're talking about elite quarterbacks and whether you're talking about elite, very good, good average, below average, marginal, poor like I think a lot of it is very, very subjective.

我想當你在談論精英四分衛的時候，你是否在談論精英，非常好，好的平均水平，低於平均水平，邊緣，差的一樣，我想很多都是非常非常主觀的。

And it all needs to be talked about with context.

而這一切都需要結合實際情況來談。

And by that I mean this look, this game that he's having, that he's going, that he's gonna be playing in this week.

我的意思是，這個樣子，這個遊戲，他有，他要，他要在這個星期打。

He's going up against you.

他要和你作對

Wanna talk about elite?

想談精英嗎？

He's going up against an elite defense that I don't think he's just gonna necessarily like the Rams up here.

他要面對的是精銳的防守，我不認為他就一定會喜歡公羊隊在這裡。

I mean, Brandon Staley, defensive coordinator for the Rams, is as good as it gets.

我的意思是，公羊隊的防守協調員布蘭登-斯塔利，是最好的。

He's a guy who's gonna get some head coach consideration simply because of the fact that he is next level as far as his ability to scheme up offenses.

他是一個會得到一些主教練考慮的人，只是因為事實上，他是下一個水準，就他策劃進攻的能力而言。

And he has some next level players on this defense that are gonna give Kyler Murray a run for his money and, you know, in additionally.

他的防線上有一些下級球員 他們會讓凱勒・莫雷吃不了兜著走 還有，你知道，在其他方面。

Look, I say this.

聽著，我這樣說。

If caller Murray comes out and throws for 300 plus in this game, which I don't see happening against his Rams, the Rams defense.

如果叫獸穆雷在這場比賽中出場並投出300多分，我不認為對他的公羊隊，公羊隊的防守會發生。

But if he does, and he has them in a position to win and for some reason or another, John Woolford, who was making his first career start in the NFL after being a college free agent in 2000 and 18, his first career start with all the people that they're missing, is able to somehow muster up enough points to where they expose advanced Joseph, coach defense in Arizona.

但如果他這樣做，他讓他們處於勝利的位置，並且由於某種原因或其他原因，約翰-伍爾福德在2000年和18年成為大學自由球員後，他在NFL的第一次職業生涯開始，他們缺少的所有人員，能夠以某種方式聚集足夠的分數，他們在亞利桑那州暴露先進的約瑟夫，教練防守。

And when this football game, I don't think that you could necessarily hang that on collar, Murray and or have that detract from your overall assessment as to whether or not this guy is elite.

而當這場足球比賽中，我不認為你一定能把這一點掛在領子上，穆雷和或有影響你對這傢伙是否是精英的整體評估。

Very good, good average, whatever it is that you wanna be, because I think we sometimes hang.

很好，很好的平均水平，不管你想成為什麼，因為我想我們有時會掛。

It's It's just kind of like judging quarterbacks based off of wins and losses as well as our wins and losses.

這就有點像根據勝負以及我們的勝負來判斷四分衛一樣。

A quarterback statistic is that something that's fair toe hang on them although we do it and since the beginning of time we have judge quarterbacks by their wins and losses, although we know that this is a team game, but it is, but it's a team game right up into the point where we start talking about quarterbacks, then all of a sudden it's just a quarterback driven game and I have a problem with that.

四分衛統計是那個東西，是公平的腳趾掛在他們身上，雖然我們這樣做，自始至終，我們都是通過四分衛的勝負來判斷他們，雖然我們知道這是一個團隊遊戲，但它是，但它是一個團隊遊戲，直到我們開始談論四分衛，然後突然之間，它只是一個四分衛驅動的遊戲，我有一個問題。

Sometimes when we're talking about assessing quarterbacks and where do we slot them in in the, you know on this scale of greatness.

有時候，當我們在談論評估四分衛的時候 我們該把他們放在哪裡，你知道，在這個偉大的尺度上。

But for for this game there's there's no question this is a big football game for him and that he can really elevate how people look at him and the lens through which people view him.

但對於這場比賽來說，毫無疑問，這對他來說是一場重要的足球比賽，他可以真正提升人們對他的看法，以及人們看待他的鏡頭。

If he's able toe, win this football game against an elite top tier, top notch defense, if they lose and he does everything in his power and he gives them the like the last time he has the football, they have the lead and they lose this football game.

如果他能夠趾高氣揚，贏下這場足球比賽，面對的是頂級的精英，頂級的防守，如果他們輸了，他竭盡所能，給了他們像上次一樣的足球，他們有領先優勢，他們輸掉這場足球比賽。

I don't think you should knock him.

我覺得你不應該打擊他。

If he goes out and he throws 34 interceptions, can't get, you know, can't throw for over 202 150 yards, isn't able to convert on third downs, is turning the football over, then of course you're gonna knock him down.

如果他出場後丟了34次攔截，不能，你知道的，不能投出超過202 150碼的球，不能在三次進攻中轉換，把球扔掉，那麼你當然會把他打倒。

But I think this game has a lot of different angles, a lot of different twists and turns to it that, quite honestly, I think this Cardinals defense is the one that really is in the spotlight here.

但我覺得這場比賽有很多不同的角度，有很多不同的曲折，說實話，我覺得這支紅雀隊的防守才是這裡真正的焦點。

Because again, John Woolford has never seen an NFL football field, let alone as a starter.

因為同樣，約翰-伍爾福德從來沒有見過NFL的足球場，更不用說作為主力球員了。

And if you listen to some of the talk coming out of L.

如果你聽了L公司的一些談話。

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They have a lot of confidence in this kid, and I'm going, What do they know?

他們對這個孩子很有信心，我就想，他們知道什麼？

That I don't know?

我不知道？

What do they know about this kid that I don't know if they come out and just light up this Cardinals defense?

他們對這小子有什麼瞭解，不知道他們出來後會不會直接點燃這支紅雀隊的防線？

Hoo boy, They could be talking about Carl.

他們可能是在說卡爾。

Um, er, I mean, they're gonna be talking about Cliff Kingsbury and Joseph.

嗯，呃，我的意思是，他們會 談論克利夫金斯伯裡和約瑟夫。

That's what they were talking about.

這就是他們所說的。

Yeah, I think you're right on on, and we agree on a lot of these things.

是的，我想你是對的，我們在很多事情上都是一致的。

I think the difference is just in the subjective term off elite, and I'm with you like it's not fair to hang wins and losses on quarterbacks.

我覺得區別只是在主觀用語關精英，我和你一樣，把勝負掛在四分衛身上是不公平的。

It's not fair to blame them for an entire teams failures, or it's not fair to give them all the credit for the team's success.

將整支球隊的失敗歸咎於他們是不公平的，或者說將球隊的成功全部歸功於他們也是不公平的。

We end up doing that a lot in this business.

我們在這個行業裡經常這樣做。

It's not fair.

這不公平

That doesn't mean you and I have to do that.

這並不意味著你和我必須這樣做。

So I agree with you.

所以我同意你的說法。

However, there is one thing that I do believe that we can have a smarter conversation.

不過，有一點我相信，我們可以進行更聰明的對話。

There's one thing that I do believe.

有一件事，我確實相信。

It's true, though, and I think you would agree with me is there is a top tier of quarterbacks in our mind, and no matter what you call them, you could give him a different name.

不過，這是真的，我想你會同意我的觀點是，在我們的心目中，有一個最頂級的四分衛，無論你怎麼稱呼他們，你都可以給他一個不同的名字。

You can call it whatever you want.

你想怎麼叫就怎麼叫吧。

Call them elite, call the Hall of Fame.

叫他們精英，叫名人堂。

You call them world beaters, put the team on my back, Guys, I don't care what you are, but you don't become that and you start getting to the playoffs and winning in big moments in the playoffs or winning league MVPs doing something like that, being sustaining that type of success for entire career because I would think of a guy like like Lamar Jackson and a guy like Josh Allen this season, he's having right now like I'd be willing to consider the conversation of them being elite, despite the fact they haven't had playoff success.

你說他們是世界性的打手，把球隊放在我的背上，夥計們，我不管你是什麼人，但你不成為那樣的人，你就開始進入季後賽，並在季後賽的重要時刻獲勝，或者贏得聯盟MVP這樣的事情。正在維持這種類型的成功 整個職業生涯，因為我會認為一個人喜歡 像拉馬爾-傑克遜和一個人喜歡約什-阿倫本賽季， 他有現在像我願意考慮的談話 他們是精英，儘管事實上他們還沒有 季後賽的成功。

But collar Murray's done neither like he hasn't dominated for a full season and he hasn't gotten to the playoffs or had a big moment in a playoff situation.

但領隊穆雷既沒有做到像他一整個賽季都不佔優勢，他也沒有進入季後賽，也沒有在季後賽的情況下大放異彩。

I think back to Dak Prescott.

我想起了Dak Prescott

He's a guy who's had really incredible regular seasons, and he's also had big playoff moments, big drives, game winning drives in the playoffs.

他是個常規賽非常不可思議的傢伙，他在季後賽中也有大的時刻，大的驅動力，贏得比賽的驅動力。

That's a guy that I would look at Colin Murray and say, I want you to do that a couple times, Lead the league in passing, lead the league in Q b R u.

那是一個我會看著科林-穆雷說，我希望你能做到這一點幾次，引領聯盟的傳球，引領聯盟的Q B R u。

Because of his running abilities, he can lead the league in total offense, something like that, and then also make some big plays in some big situation.

因為他的跑動能力，他可以在總進攻量上領跑聯盟，這樣的事情，然後也可以在一些大的情況下做出一些大的動作。

I think this weekend gives him a chance to jump to that elite status, or at least getting that conversation because you're so right about that.

我認為這個週末給了他一個機會，讓他跳到那個精英的地位，或者至少得到那個對話，因為你對這個問題的看法是如此正確。

Staley defense.

斯塔利防守。