Look who came to join us.

看看誰來加入我們。

Richard Jefferson.

理查德-傑斐遜。

We just played some clips, RJ of your conversation with LeBron James with Channing Frye and Allie Clifton.

我們剛剛播放了一些片段 RJ 你和勒布朗-詹姆斯的對話 還有錢寧-弗萊和艾麗-克利夫頓的對話片段

And one of the things that caught a lot of people's attention was him calling the 2016 title and the 2020 title the toughest ever an MBA history.

而其中有一件事引起了很多人的注意，他稱2016年的冠軍和2020年的冠軍是MBA歷史上最難的一次。

Now I will certainly give him that 2016 title because he had to play with you so that automatically just right.

現在我肯定會把2016年的冠軍給他，因為他必須和你一起玩，所以自動就對了。

I mean, that's that's an arguable now.

我的意思是，這是一個可爭論的現在。

And, of course, yeah, coming back from 31 for the first time in finals history and a two time M V p.

當然，還有啊，總決賽歷史上第一次從31歲回來，兩次M V p。

But the fact that you were in that that that that's off the table.

But this 2021 2 with the bubble we've heard Richard, you and I have had people say to us.

但這2021年2與保麗龍我們已經聽到理查德，你和我都有人對我們說。

What do you mean?

什麼意思？

The bubble was hard?

保麗龍很硬？

Come on, Millionaires.

來吧，百萬富翁。

Staying in a luxury hotel, blah, blah, blah.

住在豪華酒店，等等等等。

What did you make when he said that to you?

他對你說這話的時候，你做了什麼？

Well, I believe them because Rachel, you and I were there.

我相信他們，因為瑞秋，你和我都在那裡。

We saw there was no home court.

我們看到沒有主場。

There was no like, Oh, our home crowd is going to pick us up.

有沒有像，哦，我們的主場觀眾要接我們。

There were no fans.

沒有粉絲。

Their toe have that excitement.

他們的腳趾有那種興奮。

So everything that you had to muster it was internally.

所以，你所要調動的一切都在內部。

It was.

它是。

How much did you have inside of you to go out there with no friends?

你的內心有多大的底氣，才能在沒有朋友的情況下出去？

No, Like very limited family members that couldn't cheer.

不，像非常有限的家庭成員，不能歡呼。

There was nothing there for you to build off on other than just what you can go on accomplished.

除了你能繼續完成的事情之外，沒有任何東西可以讓你去建立。

And also, I was reminded by a producer that they want a championship in a shortened year in a lockout year.

還有，有製作人提醒我，他們要在停擺年縮短年限的情況下拿到冠軍。

So if you had to break down coming back from 31 playing in a bubble and winning a lot and winning via a lockout where you don't have much time to prepare your bodies can can deacon dish in Show me some lies.

所以，如果你必須打破從31回來玩保麗龍，並贏得了很多，並通過禁賽獲勝，你沒有太多的時間來準備你的身體可以執事菜在顯示我一些謊言。

If there is another example of a tougher championship from a unique space, I haven't seen it.

如果說還有一個來自獨特空間的更強悍的冠軍的例子，我還沒有看到。

What do you think, Burke?

你覺得呢，伯克？

Well, look, Richard, listen, I think LeBron intel no lives.

好吧，聽著，理查德，聽著，我覺得勒布朗的情報沒有生命。

But what I mean, a glass of wine and r j gets all the tea from LeBron James.

但我的意思是，一杯酒，r j得到了勒布朗-詹姆斯的所有茶水。

And you gotta look, when you look at what he did in 2016.

你得看看，當你看到他在2016年所做的事情。

Rachel like, you're right.

瑞秋喜歡，你是對的。

That's one of the greatest championships in NBA history and in sports history, in my opinion.

在我看來，這是NBA歷史和體育史上最偉大的冠軍之一。

And when you talk about what he did down in the bubble, we saw all the guys jokingly talk about when they left the bubble, they just finished doing the bed and how mentally tough it was and how they was happy to be home and went on vacation to their favorite restaurants.

而當你說到他在泡泡裡做的事情時，我們看到所有的人都開玩笑地說到，當他們離開泡泡時，他們剛剛做完床，心理上是多麼的艱難，他們很高興回家，去他們最喜歡的餐館度假。

And you had to be mentally tough.

而且你必須要有堅強的心理。

So I see no lives that LeBron James has said when he said, This is two of the toughest championships in the N B A history and he was part of it is really well, I like approaching the greatest of all time conversation from this perspective on Lian that we've looked.

所以我看到沒有生活，勒布朗-詹姆斯說過，當他說，這是兩個N B A歷史上最艱難的冠軍，他是其中的一部分是真的很好，我喜歡從這個角度接近有史以來最偉大的談話廉，我們已經看了。

The three of us have talked about this plenty.

我們三個人已經談了很多。

Right?

對吧？

People are great in different ways in different eras.

不同時代的人有不同的偉大。

It's just a fact and you go back to Wilt and Kareem and everyone has such recency bias.

這只是一個事實，你再去找威爾特和卡雷姆，大家都有這樣的回顧性偏見。

But there were a lot of guys who played in this league who have been exceptional and LeBron emphasizing the ways he has been exceptional.

但在這個聯盟中，有很多人打出了卓越的表現，勒布朗也強調了他卓越的方式。

I think is the right way to talk about him versus Michael Jordan or anything else that you want to compare.

我認為是正確的方式來談論他與邁克爾-喬丹或其他任何你想比較的東西。

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