And so I looked it up.

於是我查了一下。

And coincidentally or not, that is exactly when Odell Beckham was lost for the season.

而巧合與否，那正是奧德爾-貝克漢姆本賽季失意的時候。

So we'll make this a change my mind.

所以，我們會讓這個改變我的想法。

And I wanna make it clear that this is not a value judgment on how good a player Odell Beckham is, because one Odell Beckham, is healthy.

我想說明的是，這不是一個價值判斷 奧德爾・貝克漢姆是一個多麼好的球員， 因為一個奧德爾・貝克漢姆，是健康的。

I still believe he is a good is practically any receiver in the NFL, but I think it cannot be overlooked that Baker Mayfield has just flat played better since Odell left.

我仍然相信他是一個好的是幾乎任何接收器在NFL，但我認為不能忽視的是，貝克梅菲爾德只是平打更好，因為奧德爾離開。

And my theory is that sometimes some quarterbacks need to be the number one guy on their team.

而我的理論是，有時候一些四分衛需要成為球隊的頭號人物。

Some of them just do it naturally, and others may have a little more difficulty with that.

有的人只是自然而然地做到了，而有的人可能就比較困難了。

And it feels to me like that has been the scenario here in Cleveland.

在我看來，克利夫蘭的情況就是這樣。

One way or another, I think it is just in arguable that Baker Mayfield has been better since Odell Beckham went out Dominique Fox with Do you want to change my mind?

不管是哪種方式，我認為這只是在爭論，貝克-梅菲爾德自從奧德爾-貝克漢姆出去多米尼克-福克斯與你想改變我的想法嗎？

So first of all it's hard to argue with the numbers, but you understand that just because there is some correlation that does that that does not mean that that is the cause.

所以首先很難用數字來論證，但是你要明白，僅僅因為有一些相關性，那並不意味著那就是原因。

Like it's impossibly hard for me to imagine that a team is better without a more talented player and my assessment of that.

就像我不可能想象一支球隊在沒有更有天賦的球員的情況下會變得更好，以及我對此的評價一樣。

It reminds me a bit of the Carson Wentz situation, where some people suggested that drafting Jalen Hurts impacted Carson Wentz so much psychologically that he was bad now.

這讓我想起了卡森-溫茨的情況，有人認為招募杰倫-赫茲對卡森-溫茨的心理影響很大，以至於他現在很糟糕。

So if you're arguing that having possibly one of the best receivers in the game on your team and whatever his personality is, it's so big that your quarterback can't handle it.

所以，如果你認為，在你的球隊中擁有可能是最好的接球手之一，不管他的個性是什麼，它是如此之大，以至於你的四分衛無法處理它。

That it makes him bad like that to me suggests it says Mawr negative about the quarterback than it does about the receiver.

在我看來，這讓他變得很糟糕，這說明Mawr對四分衛的負面評價比對接球者的評價要高。

So it does.

所以，它確實如此。

I don't I find it hard to believe that Baker Mayfield guy who's out there and brash and attracting all this attention and seems to thrive on the trolling that Baker Mayfield is intimidated by by Odell Beckham's presents so much that he forgets how to throw the football.

我不我很難相信，貝克-梅菲爾德那個傢伙在外面蠻橫無理，吸引了所有的注意力，而且似乎在巨魔身上茁壯成長，貝克-梅菲爾德被奧德爾-貝克漢姆的禮物嚇到了，以至於他忘記了如何扔足球。

Like I feel like there are a lot of other reasons why Baker is playing well, and maybe Odell being out is part of it.

就像我覺得貝克打得好還有很多其他原因，也許奧德爾不在也是其中的一部分。

But it is the tiniest part of it.

但這是其中最微小的一部分。

It's not worth us, um, giving it the credence that I feel like you're trying to give it.

這不值得我們，嗯，給它的信譽 我覺得像你試圖給它。

I think you just took what I said and attached a lot of words I didn't use.

我覺得你只是把我說的話，附加了很多我沒用過的詞。

I didn't say intimidated.

我沒說被嚇到了

I didn't say that he he wasn't terrible and then became great.

我並沒有說他他不可怕，然後變得偉大。

But I do believe that your initial point is right.

但我相信，你的初衷是對的。

Is there a correlation or is there a cause?

是有關聯還是有原因？

That is the question we're trying to get to the bottom of.

這就是我們想弄清楚的問題。

And it feels more and more to me like it is the cause.

而且我越來越覺得這是原因。

Desmond Howard, what do you think?

德斯蒙德-霍華德，你怎麼看？

I put it to you like this.

我是這樣跟你說的

This is the holiday season, right?

現在是節日，對吧？

So you have toys as a child, and then during the holidays, you get a special toy when you get this new toy and the inclination is I wanna play with this new toy.

所以你小時候有玩具，然後過節的時候，你得到一個特別的玩具，當你得到這個新玩具的時候，你的傾向是我想玩這個新玩具。

I want to try it out.

我想試一試。

And then you don't really give a lot of attention to your old toys.

然後你就不太重視你的舊玩具了。

That's Odell Beckham coming to the brown.

那是奧德爾-貝克漢姆來的棕色。

So you get this transcending type of talent.

所以你會得到這種超越型的人才。

This guy is a guy who the offensive coordinator says when I'm game planning, I gotta work him into the game plan.

這傢伙是一個進攻協調員說的傢伙，當我在計劃比賽時，我必須把他納入比賽計劃。

We got to get it to him.

我們得把它交給他

And so the quarterback is saying, Okay, I got this new toy.

所以四分衛說，好吧，我有這個新玩具。

I got to get the ball to him.

我得把球傳給他

I gotta, you know, feature this guy when he's gone.

等他走了，我得，你知道，這傢伙的特點。

Now everything is more balanced Now.

現在，一切都更加平衡了。

You could play with all your old toys.

你可以玩你所有的舊玩具。

Everything has more harmony and things go smoother.

一切都更加和諧，事情也更加順利。

So now with Odell Beckham Jr out there are more balanced offense.

所以現在小奧德爾-貝克漢姆出場後，進攻更加均衡。

You don't feel as though you need the force, the ball toe, a particular receiver.

你覺得自己不需要力氣，不需要球趾，不需要特定的接應者。

Now you got you got you got Travis.

現在你得到了你得到了你得到了特拉維斯。

You got You got, uh, people's jobs you can throw the ball to.

你有，呃，你可以把球扔給別人的工作。

And you got a great running game too.

而且你的跑動能力也很強

You guys, you guys are making slightly different arguments and greedy.

你們，你們的論點稍有不同，貪心。

I'm certainly familiar with having your words mischaracterized.

我當然熟悉你的話被誤解了。

So I'm sorry for that way all are aware of, but I would say that you're making different arguments.

所以我很抱歉，這種方式所有的人都意識到了，但我想說的是，你們的論點不同。

I don't think the number is necessarily support.

我覺得這個數字不一定是支持。

I could be wrong.

我可能是錯的。

I'm sure himbo will correct me if I'm wrong.

如果我說錯了，我相信himbo會糾正我。

I don't think the numbers support that they were forcing the ball to Odell Beckham when he was out there and greeny.

我不認為數據支持他們在奧德爾-貝克漢姆出場的時候強行把球傳給他，而且是綠色的。

You're arguing something different, that it's about being the man in the room and I'm not sure what psychological impact it's had on them.

你爭論的東西不一樣，那就是要做房間裡的男人，我不知道這對他們有什麼心理影響。

That's the thing I'm not willing to accept.

這是我不願意接受的事情。

I maybe I may understand that maybe the office of coordinator is stressed by trying to figure out how to get the ball to Odell Beckham and maybe they have, UM, or well rounded game plan.

我也許可以理解，也許協調員辦公室的壓力是試圖找出如何將球傳給奧德爾-貝克漢姆，也許他們有，UM，或完善的遊戲計劃。

But they weren't over targeting Odell Beckham.

但他們並沒有過度針對奧德爾-貝克漢姆。

Throughout the course of this and again I go back to my original point.

在整個過程中，我又回到了我的原點。

If somebody's personality is becomes bigger than yours in a room as a quarterback, and that's enough to impact your play, I think that you're saying something, Maura about the quarterback, then you're saying about the receiver or you could just have a quarterback who came in and wasn't playing well and had been struggling and heard.

如果有人的個性是成為比你更大的房間作為四分衛，這足以影響你的發揮，我認為你說的東西，Maura關於四分衛，然後你說的接收器，或者你可能只是有一個四分衛誰進來，並沒有打好，一直在掙扎，聽說。

Extraordinary criticism may be disproportionate to how badly he was actually playing because he made himself such a target by being so brash and by having all the commercials and planting a flag and winning the Heisman and being the number one pick and all those things that come with it.

非凡的責備可能與他的實際表現有多糟糕不相稱，因為他讓自己成為了這樣一個目標，因為他如此粗魯，並且有所有的商業廣告和種植旗幟，並贏得了海斯曼和第一選秀權以及所有這些事情。

And so all of that negative attention is out there, and it is difficult for him to take over the room to be like All right, guys, follow May.

所以所有的負面關注都在那裡，他很難接管房間，像好了，夥計們，跟著梅。

I'm the man and I'm gonna lead us where we want to go.

我是男人，我會帶領我們去我們想去的地方。

Now again, I'm just supposing all of these things, But it does make sense to me because anyone who's ever been around Odell Beckham, who was a brilliant player, knows that when he's in the room.

現在再說一遍，我只是假設所有這些事情， 但它確實使我的意義，因為任何人誰是曾經在奧德爾・貝克漢姆， 誰是一個輝煌的球員，知道，當他在房間裡，

Ah, lot of the attention is on Odell.

啊，很多人的注意力都在奧德爾身上。

That's just the nature e I love.

這就是我喜歡的大自然。

I love all the Odell's brashness.

我喜歡奧黛爾的豪爽。

I love all these commercials and anyone who says that because he's not playing well, he should stop.

我喜歡這些廣告，誰說因為他打得不好，就應該停止。

That should shut up.

這應該閉嘴了。

But that argument you just made suggesting me that it's better to help Odell Beckham on the team on the team because Odell Beckham is then that lightning Rod Odell Beckham is the guy we're talking to talking about doing these things off the field and doing these things on the sideline, and we are super imposing all these thoughts on Odell Beckham that we have about other people and Odell Beckham attracts at attention.

但是，你剛才的那個論點暗示我，最好是幫助奧德爾-貝克漢姆在球隊上的球隊，因為奧德爾-貝克漢姆是然後那個閃電棒奧德爾-貝克漢姆是我們在談論談論在場外做這些事情，在邊線上做這些事情的人，我們是超級強加在奧德爾-貝克漢姆上的所有這些想法，我們對其他人和奧德爾-貝克漢姆吸引在注意。

I would argue that having Odell Beckham gives Baker Mayfield the space to focus on these other things because when Odell Beckham goes out, you know who we blame.

我想說的是，擁有奧德爾-貝克漢姆給了貝克-梅菲爾德專注於這些其他事情的空間，因為當奧德爾-貝克漢姆出局時，你知道我們責怪誰。

We don't have that easy scapegoat of pointing at the diva wide receiver.

我們沒有那麼容易的替罪羊，指著天后外接手。

We blame Baker Mayfield, so I would argue that your point like it doesn't make sense to me necessarily.

我們指責貝克-梅菲爾德，所以我想說，你這樣的觀點對我來說不一定有意義。

You want that lightning rod, You want that attention?

你想要那根避雷針，你想要那份關注？

E.

E.

Dominic is going with this, but I just think they have a more balanced office now with Jarvis Landry.

多米尼克會這樣做，但我只是覺得他們現在有了賈維斯-蘭德里，辦公室更加平衡了。

People's Jones, The running attack.

人民的瓊斯，奔跑的攻擊。

I don't know about what Odell Beckham does off the field.

我不知道Odell Beckham在場外做了什麼。

How it affects, uh, Baker.

它如何影響，呃，貝克。

Mayfield Baker.

梅菲爾德-貝克

Mayfield has a strong enough personality that he's going to be who he is.

梅菲爾德的個性足夠強大，他要做自己的主人。

He showed us that when he was in college.

他在大學的時候就給我們看過了。

It just continue when he is in Cleveland with the Browns.

等他在克利夫蘭和布朗隊的時候再繼續吧。

Say, you know, with or without Odell Beckham Jr.

說，你知道，不管有沒有小奧德爾-貝克漢姆。

Baker Mayfield still going to be Baker Mayfield.

貝克-梅菲爾德還是要做貝克-梅菲爾德。

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