GENTLEMEN.

先生們：

WELCOME BACK TO "A LATE SHOW."

歡迎回到 "深夜秀"。

JOINING ME TONIGHT ARE THE DELIGHTFUL HOSTS OF MY FAVORITE

今晚和我一起參加的是我最喜歡的節目的精彩主播。

PODCAST THAT ISN'T ABOUT "THE LORD OF THE RINGS," "THE SLATE

不是關於《指環王》《石板》的PODC節目

POLITICAL GABFEST."

政客節。"

PLEASE WELCOME, EMILY BAZELON, JOHN DICKERSON, AND DAVID PLOTZ!

請歡迎，埃米莉-巴澤隆，約翰-迪克遜，和大衛-普洛茨！

HELLO, YOU THREE.

你好，你們三個。

>> HEY, STEPHEN.

>> 嘿，Stephen。

>> Stephen: IT'S SO NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> Stephen:很高興見到你。

I NORMALLY JUST HEAR YOU ON THURSDAYS OR FRIDAYS.

我通常只在週四或週五聽到你的聲音。

FOR THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO DO NOT YET KNOW ABOUT THE "SLATE

對於那些還不知道 "石板 "的人來說。

POLITICAL GABFEST."

政客節。"

IT WAS MY GATEWAY DRUG FOR PODCASTS.

它是我的門路藥物的PODCASTS。

IT WAS THE FIRST PODCAST I LISTENED TO SO ALL MY PODCAST

這是我聽的第一個PODC廣播，所以我所有的PODC廣播都是如此。

ADDICTIONS ARE YOUR FAULT.

癮是你的錯。

WHAT DAYS DO THE NEW ONES COME OUT?

新產品哪天上市？

>> THEY COME OUT THURSDAY EVENINGS.

>> 他們每週四晚上都會出來。

>> Stephen: WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THE SHOW IS IT FEELS LIKE-- IT

>> Stephen:我喜歡這個節目的原因是它讓人覺得... ...

HAS ALWAYS FELT TO ME FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE INTERESTED IN

一直以來，我覺得對於我們這些有興趣的人來說。

POLITICS, IS YOU'RE THE FOURTH PERSON AT A LITTLE FOUR-TOP

政治，你是第四個在小四合院的人嗎？

LUNCH TABLE ON A FRIDAY AND YOU GUYS ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT

週五的午餐桌，你們只是在談論什麼。

JUST HAPPENED AND WHAT'S ABOUT TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON, OR WHAT

華盛頓剛剛發生的事情和即將發生的事情，或者說

THE MAJOR ISSUES ARE.

主要的問題是：

HOW DID IT START?

它是如何開始的？

WHAT'S THE ORIGIN STORY OF THIS LITTLE-- THIS LITTLE POLITICAL

這個小... 這個小政治事件的起源是什麼？

AVENGERS?

AVENGERS？

>> THE FIRST PRODUCER OF THE "GAB FEST" ANDY BOWERS SAID HE

>> "GAB FEST "的第一製作人 ANDY BOWERS說他

WANTED A SHOW THAT WOULD BE LIKE HANGING OUT AT THE BAR WITH THE

想要一個像在酒吧裡和那些人一起玩的節目。

PANELISTS ON TV AFTER THE SHOW.

節目結束後，電視上的小組成員：

SO FORGET THE BORING PART.

所以忘掉無聊的部分。

FORGET THE STUFF YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAY.

忘了你該說的那些話。

HE WANTED JUST LIKE WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT, WHAT

他想要的只是像人們實際談論的東西，什麼。

JOURNALISTS TALK ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE HANGING OUT.

記者們談論他們在外面閒逛的時候，

THAT WAS THE CONCEPTION.

這就是概念。

SO LUCKILY FOR US, NOBODY LISTENED TO THE SHOW FOR THE

所以，我們很幸運，沒有人聽過的節目的

FIRST YEAR OR SO, SO WE DID FEEL LIKE WE WERE JUST HANGING OUT

第一年左右，所以我們覺得我們只是在外面閒逛。

BECAUSE NO ONE TOLD US THEY HAD HEARD IT.

因為沒有人告訴我們他們聽到了。

BY THE TIME PEOPLE STARTED LISTENING, WE HAD AN IDEA-- WE

當人們開始聽的時候，我們有一個想法 -- 我們

HAVE A LOT OF TRUST AMONG US ABOUT HOW TO DO THE SHOW.

我們對如何做節目很有信心。

>> WHEN WE DID THE FIRST SHOW WE HAD, "A," NO IDEA.

>> 當我們做的第一個節目，我們有，"A，"不知道。

WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT THE MOST

當你回過頭來聽它的時候，它聽起來就像最流行的音樂。

BORING PEOPLE AT THE BAR OR THE PEOPLE THEY DON'T LET INTO THE

在酒吧裡的無聊的人或他們不允許進入的人。

BAR WERE TALKING ABOUT.

酒吧在說什麼？

I MEAN, WE WERE-- WE WERE-- WE HAD A LEARNING CURVE TO GO.

我的意思是，我們是 - 我們是 - 我們有一個學習曲線去。

>> WE'RE STILL THE NERDS AT THE BAR!

>> 我們還是酒吧裡的書呆子！

>> Stephen: SURE, SURE.

>> Stephen: SURE, SURE.

AND THAT'S THE-- THAT'S THE TAG LINE FOR THE 15th

這就是... ... 這就是第15屆的標籤線。

ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION, "NOT AS BORING AS WE USED TO BE.

週年慶典，"不像以前那麼無聊了。

JOHN DICKERSON."

約翰・迪克遜。"

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SELL THEM.

>> 我不知道如何銷售它們。

>> Stephen: EMILY, AXEIOS REPORTED YESTERDAY THE PRESIDENT

>> 史蒂芬: 埃米莉,AXEIOS報道說,昨天主席。

IS PLANNING MASS PARDONS LIKE CHRISTMAS GIFTS, EVEN TO PEOPLE

計劃大規模赦免是否像聖誕節禮物一樣，甚至是給人們的禮物？

NOT ASKING FOR THEM.

不要求他們。

ARE THERE RULES ON ISSUING PARDONS?

赦免有什麼規定嗎？

OR CAN WE JUST SORT OF LODE THE PARDONS IN THE TANK AND CROP

還是說我們可以把赦免令放進罐子裡然後扔掉？

DUST ALL HIS CRONIES WITH FORGIVENESS?

把他所有的罪孽都用寬恕的方式解決掉？

>> HE CAN GIVE THEM OUT AS HE CHOOSES.

>> 他可以根據自己的選擇把它們送出去。

MAYBE HE CAN'T PARDON HIMSELF, BUT EVEN THAT ISN'T CLEAR.

也許他不能原諒自己，但即使這樣也不清楚。

BUT WHAT I LIKE THE BEST ABOUT THE STORY YOU JUST TOLD, IS ARE

但我最喜歡你剛才說的故事的是... ...

BEING OFFERED PARDONS WHO DON'T WANT PARDONS.

被提供的赦免誰不想要赦免。

THEY'RE LIKE, "I DIDN'T DO A CRIME.

他們喜歡，"我沒有做一個犯罪，

I DON'T WANT THE STIGMA OF YOUR SUGGESTION THEY DID.

我不想要你的建議的暗示，他們做到了。

PLEASE DON'T PARDON ME."

請不要原諒我。"

THAT'S WHERE WE ARE.

這就是我們的位置。

>> Stephen: I THINK THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND,

>> 斯蒂芬：我想這就是人們不理解的地方。

THERE'S A 100-YEAR-OLD RULING FROM THE SUPREME COURT THAT SAYS

最高法院有一個100年的裁決，說：

ACCEPTING A PARDON IS AN ADMISSION OF GUILT.

接受赦免就是認罪。

>> RIGHT.

>> 右邊。

IT SUGGESTS THAT YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG AND THAT THERE

它暗示著你做錯了什麼，並且有

IS SOMETHING TO FORGIVE HERE.

是什麼東西原諒這裡。

AND SO, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF LIMIT ON PARDONS IN

所以，應該對赦免有一定的限制。

TERMS OF HOW THE PRESIDENT ACTUALLY USES THEM, SOME SENSE

關於主席如何實際使用這些術語，一些感想

THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY WRONGDOING.

事實上，有錯誤的行為。

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US NOT TO LOSE

我認為我們不能失去的東西是非常重要的。

THAT NORM BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS BEING LOST.

那正常，但它似乎是失去了。

>> Stephen: DAVID, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE OF YOUR

>> 戴維，我想問你一個關於你的一個問題。

PARTICULAR IDIOCENTRICKITIES THAT I NOTICED OVER THE YEARS,

這些年來，我注意到的特別的獨裁現象：

YOU'RE SORT OF FAMOUS AMONG GAPFEST FANS WITH BEING OKAY

你在GAPFEST的粉絲中也算是有名的，因為你的表現還算不錯。

WITH POLITICAL CORRUPTION, THAT A LITTLE CORRUPTION IS OKAY.

隨著政治腐敗， 這一點腐敗是好的。

WHEN TRUMP IS OUT OF OFFICE, DO YOU THINK-- AND THIS IS FOR

當特朗普下臺後，你認為... ...這是為

EVERYBODY, BUT AT FIRST TO DAVID-- SHOULD THERE BE

每個人，但首先是大衛 -- 是否應該有

INVESTIGATIONS?

調查？

BECAUSE DON'T YOU HAVE A SENSE THAT THIS-- THIS ORGANIZATION

因為你不知道這個... 這個組織...

MADE THE HARDING ADMINISTRATION LOOK LIKE CHOIR BOYS?

讓哈丁政府看起來像合唱團的孩子？

AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE THROWN IN JAIL, WE SHOULD KNOW

不管他們是否被送進監獄，我們都應該知道... ...

WHAT HAPPENED?

發生了什麼事？

>> I THINK I WAS FOR POLITICAL CORRUPTION BEFORE DONALD TRUMP

>> 我想在唐納德-特朗普之前，我是支持政治腐敗的。

SHOWED UP.

出現了。

I'M FOR POLITICAL CORRUPTION IN THE SENSE THAT I THINK A LITTLE

我支持政治腐敗，因為我覺得有點...

BIT OF FAVOR-DOING-- POLITICS IS SORT OF ART OF DOING FAVORS FOR

EACH OTHER.

各自。

YOU GET A LITTLE SOMETHING FROM ME, AND GET A LITTLE SOMETHING

你從我這裡得到一點東西，也得到一點東西。

FROM YOU.

從你。

SO A LITTLE BIT OF THAT CAN BE CORRUPT.

所以，一點點的，可以是腐敗的。

>> Stephen: SO EAR MARKS YOU'RE OKAY WITH?

>> 耳標你沒意見吧？

>> 100% OKAY WITH EAR MARKS.

>> 100%沒問題，有耳標。

WHAT'S SHOCKING-- WE MAY NEVER KNOW HOW MUCH-- HOW MANY PEOPLE

什麼是令人震驚的 - 我們可能永遠不知道有多少 - 多少人。

HAVE DRILLED THINGS, HOW MUCH SOOT HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO BE

有鑽井的東西，有多少煙塵被允許是

DUMPED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE, HOW MUCH MERCURY I'M GETTING TO

扔進空氣中，我得到了多少錢的汞... ...

INJECHT BECAUSE SOME TEXAS COMPANY IS ALLOWED TO POUR

因為某些德州公司被允許傾倒，所以才會出現這種情況。

MERCURY.

MERCURY：

AND IT'S-- IT IS HORRIFYING TO IMAGINE WHAT THEY'VE DONE.

而且... 想象一下他們的所作所為真是太可怕了。

THAT SAID, I DON'T KNOW THAT-- I DON'T KNOW THAT FOR THE

也就是說，我不知道... ... 我不知道，對於... ...

COUNTRY'S GOOD THAT YEARS OF INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT THE

國家很好的是，多年的調查，對什麼是 "國家"？

TRUMPS HAVE DONE IS GOING TO GET US VERY FAR.

特朗普斯所做的一切將使我們走得很遠。

>> BUT IF WE DON'T INVESTIGATE, IF WE DON'T AT LEAST LOOK UNDER

>> 但是如果我們不調查，如果我們不至少檢查下

THE ROCK, THEN WE LOSE THAT KIND OF DETERRENCE, RIGHT?

搖滾，那麼我們就會失去那種決斷力，對嗎？

THEN THE NEXT PEOPLE COME ALONG, AND THERE'S THIS-- YOU'VE JUST

然後下一個人就來了，然後就是這個... ...

LOWERED THE BAR FOR WHAT THE NEXT SET OF POLITICIANS FEEL

降低了下一撥政治家的感受標準

LIKE THEY CAN DO.

像他們可以做。

>> ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS-- ONE OF THE REASONS YOU NEED TO FIND

>> 問題之一是... 你需要找到的原因之一是... ...

OUT WHAT HAPPENED IS BECAUSE IN THE OLD DAYS, THE NORMS WOULD B

發生了什麼事，因為在過去的日子裡，NORMS將B。

BE-- WOULD BE POLICED BY PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN PARTY.

會被你自己的黨派的人所控制。

I MEAN, SO THAT YOU COULD AGREE THAT SOMEBODY HAD STEPPED OVER A

我的意思是，所以你會同意有人踩到了一個人的頭上

LINE, AND NOBODY SHOULD DO THAT WITHOUT NECESSARILY HAVING TO GO

線，沒有人應該這樣做，而不必去。

ALL THE WAY TO HAVING AN INVESTIGATION.

所有的方式有一個調查。

BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN A MOMENT WHEN NORMS CAN BE BROKEN AND NOBODY

但是，當你在一個時刻，規範可以被打破，沒有人。

FROM YOUR TEAM WILL SPEAK UP, THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN NAIL DOWN

你的團隊會說出來的，你唯一能搞定的方法

THE INFORMATION AND SAY, "THIS IN FACT WAS A LINE THAT WAS

的資訊，並說，"這事實上是一個線，是。

CROSSED," IS BY TAKING IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO AN

交叉，"是通過採取一路通過一個。

INVESTIGATION.

調查：

>> BUT, JOHN, THEN YOU END UP WITH IMPEACHMENT-- WHICH WAS THE

>> 但是，約翰，然後你最終與impeachment -- 這是誰的。

RIGHT THING TO DO-- BUT WHERE YOU HAVE THE COUNTRY-- I MEAN, A

正確的做法... ... 但在你有國家的地方... ... 我的意思是，一個。

COUNTRY OPERATING HALF OF THEM IN A MASS DELUSION OR WILLFUL

一半的國家在大規模的迷惑或故意的情況下運作。

DELUSION.

幻覺：

>> WELL, BUT THAT'S-- >> YOU MEAN PEOPLE DIDN'T

>> 好吧，但那是... >> 你的意思是人們沒有。

BELIEVE THE INFORMATION.

相信資訊。

>> THEY CHOSE NOT IGNORE-- AND THAT'S SO WORRYING THAT YOU HAVE

>> 他們選擇不理會--------這讓你很擔心

THESE PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE SYSTEMS.

這些人生活在這兩個完全分離的系統中。

YOU UNCOVER THE TRUTH, BUT THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF THE COUNTRY

你揭開了真相，但如果這個國家發生了什麼事？

DOESN'T LISTEN?

不聽？

>> BUT, I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CASE BEING MADE NOW, THE

>> 但是，我的意思是，如果你看看現在所做的案子。

PRESIDENT'S FRAUDULENT CASE ABOUT THE ELECTION, ONE OF THE

總統選舉舞弊案，其中之一的 "大選"。

WAYS YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ARGUE TO SOMEBODY THAT IT IS TRULY

你可能會向別人爭論它是真正的方法。

FRAUDULENT IS THAT THE COURTS HAVE THROWN IT OUT WITH SUCH

騙人的是，法院以這種方式將其駁回。

PREJUDICE.

PREJUDICE。

NOW, THAT MAY NOT CONVINCE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, AND ONE OF

現在，這可能無法說服千百萬人，而其中之一

THE DANGERS OF REPUBLICAN LEADERS JUST ALLOWING THE

共和黨領導人只允許有一個國家的人参加，這是很危險的。

PRESIDENT TO LIE ABOUT THE ELECTION AND SEEMINGLY TO

主席在選舉問題上撒謊，並似乎要在選舉過程中

SUPPORT HIM IS THAT IT ALLOWS THAT IDEA TO SINK IN.

支持他就是讓這個想法能夠深入人心。

BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO REJECT THAT IDEA FROM PEOPLE WHO

但如果你要拒絕人們的這個想法，那就是

BELIEVE SOMETHING THAT IS NOT TRUE, YOU HAVE THE EVIDENCE OF

相信一些不真實的東西，你有證據證明。

THE COURTS AND THE JUDGES, SOME OF WHOM WERE APPOINTED BY

法院和法官，其中一些是由政府任命的。

PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHO SAY NOT ONLY IS THERE NO CASE HERE, BUT

特朗普總統，他說不僅這裡沒有案子，而且... ...

YOU SHOULDN'T BE ASKING TO DO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING TO DO AT ALL,

你不應該要求做你要做的事情。

EVEN BASED ON THE-- EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE ALSO ASKING TO DO IT

即使是基於... 即使你也在要求去做

BASED ON INCREDIBLY FLIMSY EVIDENCE.

基於極其虛偽的證據。

AND THAT, IF YOU'RE GOING TO TRY TO ARGUE THIS IS BEYOND THE

而且，如果你想爭論這一點，那就超出了我們的範圍。

BOUND, AT LEAST YOU NOW HAVE A NUMBER OF JUDGES WHO HAVE

BOUND，至少你現在有了一個數量的法官誰已經。

ASSERTED THAT, AND THEY'RE NOT JUST-- THESE AREN'T POLITICAL

聲稱，他們不只是... ... 這些不是政治性的

PUNDITS SAYING THIS.

專家說，這。

THESE ARE ACTUAL JUDGES, WHICH SEEMS TO MAKE A STRONGER CASE,

這些都是真正的法官，這似乎是一個更有力的證據。

THOUGH I RECOGNIZE LOTS OF PEOPLE WON'T BELIEVE THAT CASE.

雖然我知道很多人不相信這個案子。

>> Stephen: WE JUST HAVE TO GET 74 MILLION PEOPLE TO LISTEN

>> Stephen:我們只需要讓7400萬人口聽我們的話

TO THE "SLATE POLITICAL GABFEST" EVERY WEEK, AND THE COUNTRY

到 "石板政治節 "每星期，和國家。

WOULD BE FINE.

會很好的。

WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK.

我們必須要快速休息一下。

BUT WHEN WE COME BACK, I WILL ASK THE HOSTES YES THEY THINK

但我們回來後，我會問主持人，是的，他們認為。

THE G.O.P. IS GOING ALONG WITH THE PRESIDENT'S CLAIMS OF

政府當局正配合主席的指控

ELECTION FRAUD.

選舉舞弊。

STICK AROUND.

堅持下去。

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