"RETURN TO NEW ZEALAND: A MAGICAL LAND WHERE HUGS STILL

"回到紐西蘭：一個神奇的土地，在那裡歡呼聲仍然存在。

HAPPEN."

發生。"

AS I CASUALLY MENTIONED EARLIER, WHILE I WAS IN NEW ZEALAND, I

正如我之前提到的，當我在紐西蘭的時候，我...

GOT TO SPEND TIME FILMING A MOVIE TRAILER WITH ACADEMY

得花時間與學院拍攝電影預告片。

AWARD-WINNING WRITER-DIRECTOR SIR PETER JACKSON.

獲獎編劇導演彼得-傑克遜爵士。

CLOSE FRIEND OF MINE.

我的親密朋友。

I STAYED AT HIS HOUSE.

我住在他的房子裡。

WE HAD DINNER AT THE ORIGINAL BAG END.

我們在原包端吃了晚飯。

NO BIG DEAL.

沒有什麼大不了的。

WHICH IS ON HIS PROPERTY.

這是在他的財產。

BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK I SPENT MY WHOLE TIME RUNNING

但我不想讓你認為我花了整個時間在奔跑上

AROUND, NERDING OUT OVER "LORD OF THE RINGS."

圍繞著《魔戒》發呆。

I SPENT PLENTY OF TIME SITTING DOWN, NERDING OUT OVER "LORD OF

我花了很多時間坐下來，對《梟雄》發呆。

THE RINGS."

戒指。"

SO, HERE IS NEVER-BEFORE-SEEN FOOTAGE FROM THAT RARE INTERVIEW

所以，這裡是從未見過的鏡頭 從那個罕見的採訪中

WITH SIR PETER.

與彼得爵士。

THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING US DOWN HERE AT YOUR STUDIO.

謝謝你邀請我們到你的工作室來。

>> YEAH, YOU'RE VERY WELCOME.

>> 是的，你非常歡迎。

>> Stephen: NOW, WHERE ARE WE?

>> Stephen:現在，我們在哪裡？

WHAT-- WHAT IS THIS ACTUAL SPACE WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW?

什麼... ... 我們現在所處的這個空間是什麼？

>> WELL, THIS IS-- THIS IS A SECRET LOCATION SOMEWHERE IN NEW

>> 好吧，這是 - 這是一個祕密的位置 在新的某處

ZEALAND.

ZEALAND.

>> Stephen: RIGHT, GOT THAT.

>> Stephen:對，明白了。

>> THERE'S NO G.P.S. TRACKING.

>> 沒有G. P. S. 追蹤。

>> Stephen: NOPE.

>> Stephen:不

ALL OF OUR PHONES HAVE BEEN CONFISCATED.

我們所有的電話都被確認過了。

>> HERE'S A SECRET LOCATION SOMEWHERE-- SOMEWHERE IN NEW

>> 這裡有一個祕密的地方，在某個地方 - 在新的某個地方

ZEALAND THAT HOUSES OUR MINIATURES.

我們的迷你房在紐西蘭。

MOST OF THEM ARE FROM "LORD OF THE RINGS."

大部分都是《指環王》裡的。

SO, MOST OF THESE ARE GETTING ON FOR 20 YEARS OLD.

所以，這些大部分都是20年的老古董了。

>> Stephen: YOU'RE A SELF-TAUGHT FILMMAKER.

>> Stephen:你是一個自學成才的電影製作人。

YOU STARTED MAKING LOW-BUDGET HORROR MOVIES LIKE "DEAD ALIVE."

你開始製作低成本的恐怖片，比如 "活死人"。

WHAT WAS THE TRANSITION FROM THAT TO ACCLAIMED OSCAR-WINNING

從那件事到獲得奧斯卡獎的轉變是什麼？

WHAT WAS THE TRANSITION FROM THAT TO ACCLAIMED OSCAR-WINNING

從那件事到獲得奧斯卡獎的轉變是什麼？

DIRECTOR?

導演？

>> THE TRANSITION WAS I-- WELL, FRAN WAS-- FRAN, MY PARTNER--

>> 轉型是我... 嗯，弗蘭是... 弗蘭，我的夥伴... ...

WAS INTERESTED IN A NEW ZEALAND MURDER CASE THAT HAPPENED IN THE

他對發生在紐西蘭的一起謀殺案很感興趣。

1950's.

1950's.

AND SHE WAS-- AND SO, I STARTED TO RESEARCH IT WITH HER, AND IT

她是 - 所以，我開始研究它與她，它

BECAME "HEAVENLY CREATURES," WHICH IS KATE WINSLET'S FIRST

變成了 "天堂的創造物"，這是凱特-溫斯萊特的第一部作品。

FILM.

電影：

SO-- AND THEN AFTER THAT WE DID "THE FRIGHTENERS."

所以... ... 然後我們就拍了 "驚魂記"。

SO "THE FRIGHTENERS" WAS A VERY EARLY C.G.I. FILM.

所以《霹靂嬌娃》是一部早期的C. G. I. 電影。

WE HAD ABOUT 30 COMPUTERS.

我們有大約30臺電腦。

AND SO, WHEN THAT FILM FINISHED, WE WERE STILL PAYING THESE

所以，當那部電影結束時，我們還在付這些錢

BILLS.

BILLS：

AND SO, WE-- WHAT CAN WE DO TO KEEP THESE 30 COMPUTERS GOING?

所以，我們... ... 我們該怎麼做才能讓這30臺電腦繼續運轉？

SO, I THOUGHT, WELL, I WANT THOSE FANTASY FILMS, BUT WITH

所以，我想，好吧，我想要那些奇幻電影，但有了... ...

C.G.I. CREATURES.

C. G. I. CREATURES.

BCAUSE "JURASSIC PARK" WAS COMING OUT, AND WE HAD THE-- THE

因為 "侏羅紀公園 "要上映了，而我們有...

COMPUTERS TO DO IT.

計算機來做。

WE WONDERED WHO HAD RIGHT TO "LORD OF THE RINGS."

我們想知道誰有權利去《指環王》。"

>> Stephen: SINCE I GOT YOU, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABOUT "LORD

>> 史蒂芬: 自從我認識了你，我有一些關於 "耶和華 "的問題。

OF THE RINGS."

"環形物語"。

>> OH, MY.

>> 哦，我的天。

>> JUST "THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING."

>> 只是 "戒指的友情"。

WHAT WAS THE FIRST C.G.I. THING THAT YOU CREATED FOR "LORD OF

你為《梟雄》創作的第一件C.G.I.作品是什麼？

THE RINGS"?

戒指"？

>> I KNEW I HAD TO DO BATTLE SCENES.

>> 我知道我必須要做戰鬥場景。

YEAH, HUGE BATTLE SCENES.

是的，巨大的戰鬥場面。

AND IN HOLLYWOOD FILMS, EVEN THOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU SORT OF

在好萊塢電影中，即使你知道，你有點

SEE THESE BIG SPECTACULAR EPICS-- WHEN IT-- WHEN IT GETS

當它... 當它... 當它... ...

TO THE BIG CROWDS, THERE'S REALLY ONLY, LIKE, YOU KNOW,

對大人群來說，只有，比如，你知道的，

MAYBE AT THE MOST, 1,000 PEOPLE, 2,000 PEOPLE.

最多可能有1000人，2000人。

AND, I MEAN, TOLKIEN WRITES ABOUT HELM'S DEEP, THERE'S,

而且，我是說，托爾金寫了關於赫爾姆的深淵，還有... ..,

LIKE, 10,000 URUK-HAI.

喜歡，一萬URUK-HAI。

SO, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WAS TO DO IT IN A COMPUTER.

所以，唯一的辦法就是在電腦裡做。

AND SO, WE CREATED A SOFTWARE CALLED "MASSIVE."

所以，我們創造了一個名為 "MASSIVE "的軟件。

EACH OF THE COMPUTER PEOPLE HAD THEIR OWN BRAIN.

每個電腦人都有自己的大腦。

7 THEY HAVE TO WALK AND DO THEIR

7他們必須步行和做他們的工作。

OWN THING AND MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES.

自己的事情，做出自己的選擇。

AND IT WAS FUNNY.

它是有趣的。

THE VERY FIRST TEST, WE HAD, LIKE, 30-- 30 C.G.I. PEOPLE

第一次測試，我們有30-30個C. G. I. 的人。

RUNNING IT THROUGH, IS THAT HALF OF THEM TURNED AND RAN-- RAN

跑過去，就是一半的人轉身就跑了... ...

AWAY.

離開。

( LAUGHS ) AND THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE SMART

（笑）和他們實際上是聰明的。

ONES.

ONES。

SO, WE HAD TO MUS-- SO WE HAD TO DUMB THEM DOWN AND TELL THEM TO

所以，我們要用音樂... ... 所以我們要讓他們安靜下來，告訴他們...

STAY FIGHTING.

保持戰鬥。

YOU DON'T TURN AROUND, JUST-- >> Stephen: SO YOU DON'T KNOW

你不轉身，只是 -- >> 史蒂芬：所以你不知道。

HOW THE BATTLE'S GOING TO TURN OUT?

戰鬥將如何收場？

>> NO, NO.

>> 沒有，沒有。

NO, YOU TEACH-- SO, IF YOU GOT-- IF YOU GOT ORCS FIGHTING ELVES,

不，你教... ... 所以，如果你有... ... 如果你有獸人打精靈，

YOU'VE GOT THE-- THESE C.G.I.

你已經得到了... 這些C. G. I.

ORCS ARE TAUGHT HOW TO FIGHT LIKE AN ORC.

ORCs被教導如何像ORC一樣戰鬥。

THE C.G.I. ELVES ARE TAUGHT HOW TO FIGHT LIKE AN ELF, WEAPONS

C.G.I. ELVES被教導如何像精靈一樣戰鬥，武器。

THEY USE, THE SORT OF STYLES THEY USE.

他們所使用的，他們所使用的那種風格。

>> Stephen: YOU'RE CAPTURING THE ACTION, RATHER THAN, LIKE,

>> 你在捕捉動作，而不是，喜歡。

DIRECTING.

指導：

>> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.

>> YEAH，YEAH，YEAH。

NO, YOU ARE LITERALLY NOT IN CONTROL OF IT, NO, NO.

不，你是字面上不控制它，不，不。

SO, YOU HAVE THESE HUGE BATTLE SCENES WHERE THE-- WHERE THESE

所以，你有這些巨大的戰鬥場景，這些... ...

HORSES, LIKE, IN "RETURN OF THE KING," LIKE, SIX-- 6,000 HORSES

馬，就像，在 "王者歸來 "中，就像，六... 六千匹馬。

ARE PLOWING INTO THIS-- INTO THIS FIELD OF ORCS.

都投入到這個... ... 在這個領域的ORC。

AND THAT RENDERS FOR ABOUT THREE DAYS, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT

而這一幕持續了大約三天，我們不知道該怎麼做。

IT'S GONNA BE LIKE.

這將是像。

AND WE-- WE WAIT AND-- ( LAUGHS )

而我們 - 我們等待和 - （笑）。

SEE, WHAT'S GOING TO-- BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL-- THE HORSES ARE THE

你看，這是怎麼回事... 因為他們都是... 馬匹是...

RIDERS, THE ORCS, THEY'RE ALL GONNA MAKE THEIR OWN MIND UP FOR

騎手們，獸人，他們都會為自己的想法做決定的

WHAT THEY DO-- >> Stephen: YOU'RE BAKING A

他們做了什麼-->> 你在烘烤一個。

CAKE, AND YOU'RE NOT SURE HOW IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT UNTIL IT

蛋糕，你不知道如何 它的結果，直到它。

ACTUALLY-- >> NO, NO, NO.

實際上 -- >> 不，不，不。

>> Stephen: WELL, IS THERE-- OF ALL THOSE THINGS, OF ALL THE--

>> 斯蒂芬：好吧，有沒有 -- 所有這些東西，所有這些 -- 都有。

OF THE MOMENTS THAT YOU CREATED IN "LORD OF THE RINGS," AND IN

你在《指環王》中創造的時刻，以及在... ...

"THE HOBBIT," IS THERE A SCENE THAT YOU, EVEN AFTER ALL THESE

"霍比特人"，是否有一個場景，你，即使是在所有這些...

YEARS OF LIVING WITH IT, YOU GO-- YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, "I'D

和它一起生活了幾年，你會對自己說："我會的。

LIKE TO GO BACK AND SEE THAT AGAIN?"

喜歡回去再看一次嗎？"

>> I ALWAYS GET ASKED WHAT-- WHICH IS MY FAVORITE "LORD OF

>> 有人問我，我最喜歡的 "梟雄 "是哪一個？

THE RINGS" FILM?

THE RINGS》電影？

WHICH YOU DIDN'T ASK, BECAUSE YOU'RE SMARTER THAN THAT.

你沒有問，因為你比那更聰明。

BUT WHAT YOU ASKED IS, WHAT WAS MY FAVORITE SCENE?

但你問的是，我最喜歡的場景是什麼？

WHICH IS, ACTUALLY, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK ABOUT.

這就是，實際上，這就是我所想的。

LIKE, I LOVE THE MINES OF MORIA SEQUENCE FROM "THE

喜歡，我喜歡 "摩里亞的礦井 "的序列。

FELLOWSHIP."

"FELLOWSHIP"。

YOU KNOW, WE MAKE-- GO THROUGH THE DOOR AND RUN AWAY THROUGH

你知道嗎，我們讓 -- 穿過門，然後從門裡跑出去。

THE BRIDGE AND GET UPSTAIRS.

橋，並得到上樓。

I THINK, I-- YOU KNOW, I JUST LIKE THAT SEQUENCE, FOR SOME

我想，我... ... 你知道，我只是喜歡那段話，出於某些原因

REASON.

理由：

THE SCENE THAT I THINK CAPTURES A LOT OF THE SPIRIT-- AND IT WAS

我認為這一幕抓住了很多的精神，它是

A SORT OF A LATE SCENE, IS THAT WE WERE SHOOTING "TWO TOWERS,"

有點晚的場景，是我們在拍攝 "雙塔 "的時候。

AND THAT WAS INTRODUCING GOLLUM.

這就是介紹GOLLUM。

AND A KEY THING WITH GOLLUM AS MOST PEOPLE KNOW, IS THAT HE'S

大多數人都知道，高盧姆的一個重要特點是，他...

SMEAGOL AND HE'S GOLLUM, AND IT'S, LIKE, A SPLIT.

SMEAGOL和他的GOLLUM， 和它一樣，一個分裂。

AND THEY-- BUT WE HAD GOT A SCENE WHERE THEY REALLY-- WHERE

他們... 但我們有一個場景，他們真的...

THAT GOT SOLD, WHERE YOU REALLY GOT THE IDEA, AH, OKAY, THIS GUY

那被賣了，你從哪裡得到的想法，啊，好吧，這傢伙。

IS TWO PEOPLE.

是兩個人。

SO, WE KNEW THAT WE NEEDED IT, BUT WE HAD NO TIME TO SHOOT IT.

所以，我們知道我們需要它， 但我們沒有時間拍攝它。

SO FRAN WROTE A SCENE WHERE-- SAM AND FRODO ARE ASLEEP.

所以FRAN寫了一個場景... SAM和FRODO睡了。

SO THEY CAN BE JUST LUMPS IN THE BED-- WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO HAVE

所以他們可以只是在床上的LUMPS -- 我們甚至不需要有。

ELIJAH AND SEAN-- AND A LITTLE SET.

ELIJAH和SEAN -- 和一個小套。

AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE TO DIRECT IT, SO I SAID TO FRAN,

我們沒有人指導它，所以我對FRAN說，

"WELL, YOU WROTE IT.

"好了，你寫的。

YOU SHOULD GO AND SHOOT IT."

你應該去拍攝它。"

( LAUGHS ) SO, SHE WENT IN THERE FOR A

所以，她去了那裡一個

DAY, AND SHE WROTE AND DIRECTED THE SCENE, WHICH HAS BECOME KIND

她寫下並導演了這一幕，這已經成為了一種習慣

OF PRETTY FAMOUS NOW.

的漂亮名氣了。

>> YOU'RE A LIAR.

>> 你是個金光黨。

AND A THIEF.

和一個小偷。

NO.

號碼：

MURDERER!

凶手！

>> Stephen: (WHISPERS) "MURDER, MURDER."

>> Stephen:（耳語）"謀殺，謀殺。"

>> YES, AND THAT WAS A LATE THOUGHT, BECAUSE WE JUST

>> 是的，那是一個遲來的想法，因為我們只是。

REALIZED THAT WE NEEDED IT TO REALLY SELL THE IDEA TO THE

意識到我們需要它來真正地把這個想法賣給客戶。

AUDIENCE.

聽眾：

>> Stephen: IT WAS TWO OF THEM.

>> Stephen:是其中的兩個。

>> OF WHO THIS GUY IS.

>> 這傢伙是誰？

AND FRAN WROTE IT, WROTE AND SHOT IT WITH A TINY CREW.

弗蘭寫了它，寫了它，用一個小團隊拍了它。

>> Stephen: I RECENTLY SAT DOWN WITH JACINDA ARDERN, YOUR PRIME

>> Stephen:我最近與賈辛達-阿德恩坐在一起，你的主要。

MINISTER.

部長：

>> YES.

>> 是。

>> Stephen: AND SHE REVEALED THAT SHE AUDITIONED FOR "THE

>> 她還透露說她為 "The "做了試鏡。

LORD OF THE RINGS," AND DIDN'T GET A PART.

魔戒》，卻沒有得到一個角色。

IS THAT AWKWARD NOW WHEN YOU RUN INTO HER?

當你撞到她的時候，是不是很尷尬？

>> NOW, DO YOU RECKON SHE WAS TELLING THE TRUTH?

>> 現在，你認為她說的是真話嗎？

WAS THAT?

是嗎？

>> Stephen: SHE SAID-- I MEAN, I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT--

>> 她說--我是說，我沒有理由懷疑--。

>> NO, NO.

>> 沒有，沒有。

I-- >> Stephen: --THE LEADER OF YOUR

I-->> 斯蒂芬: --你們的領袖。

COUNTRY.

國家：

>> NO, NO, I-- IT CERTAINLY WASN'T A JOKE.

>> 不，不，我... ... 它肯定不是一個笑話。

>> Stephen: WE HAD HER-- WE HAD HER AUDITION AGAIN.

>> Stephen:我們有她 - 我們有她的試鏡一次。

>> YOU DID?

>> 你做了？

>> Stephen: YEAH.

>> Stephen:是的。

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE HER AUDITION?

你想看她的試聽嗎？

>> OH, YEAH.

>> 哦，是的。

OH, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

哦，那將是巨大的。

>> Stephen: HERE WE GO.

>> Stephen:在這裡，我們去。

>> IF YOU WANT HIM, COME AND CLAIM HIM.

>> 如果你想得到他，就來找他。

>> IF YOU WANT HIM, COME AND CLAIM HIM.

>> 如果你想得到他，就來找他。

>> Stephen: BOOM.

>> Stephen:轟。

WOULD YOU LIKE TO APOLOGIZE?

你想道歉嗎？

PETER?

PETER?

DO THE RIGHT THING.

做正確的事情。

>> I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT, JACINDA.

>> 我覺得很不錯，賈金達。

AND, CLEARLY, 20 YEARS AGO, I MADE A TERRIBLE MISTAKE.

而且，很明顯，20年前，我犯了一個可怕的錯誤。

>> Stephen: OKAY, YOU'RE A BIG MAN, FOR SUCH A SMALL MAN.

>> 好吧，你是一個大人物，這麼小的人。

>> THANK YOU.

>> 謝謝你。

>> Stephen: WHEN WE RETURN, MY CELEBRATION OF NEW ZEALAND

>> Stephen:當我們回來的時候，我對紐西蘭的慶祝。

CONTINUES, AND I GET TO PARTICIPATE IN A TRADITIONAL

繼續，我得到參加一個傳統的。

MAORI HAKA.

MAORI HAKA。

IT'S AMAZING!

太神奇了！

I HAD BRUISES ON MY THIGHS FOR A WEEK.

我的大腿上有一個星期的布魯斯。

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