That means six championships for LeBron, and that means the goat debate gets kicked into a place I can't even fathom.

這意味著勒布朗的六個冠軍，意味著山羊的辯論會被踢到一個我都無法理解的地方。

Let me just refer to that as talk show hosts Nirvana.

我就把它稱為脫口秀主持人涅槃吧。

Nothing could be better than that, because basketball is more popular than golf.

沒有比這更好的了，因為籃球比高爾夫更受歡迎。

And LeBron James is one of two athletes in the world right now chasing goat status and chasing a ghost to get there.

而勒布朗-詹姆斯是現在世界上兩個追羊狀態和追鬼狀態的運動員之一。

I will explain.

我將解釋一下。

Tiger Woods is doing the same thing.

泰格-伍茲也在做同樣的事情。

Tiger Woods has won 15 career majors, and there are people who will say Tiger Woods is not the greatest player in the world unless he catches Jack Nicklaus at 18.

泰格-伍茲職業生涯贏得了15個大滿貫賽，有人會說泰格-伍茲不是世界上最偉大的球員，除非他在18歲時趕上傑克-尼克勞斯。

And there are people, of course, who will say LeBron James is not the greatest basketball player until and unless he catches Michael Jordan at six.

當然，也有人會說，勒布朗-詹姆斯不是最偉大的籃球運動員，除非他在六歲時趕上邁克爾-喬丹。

These are as far as I can think of the only sports where that is relevant right now and let me explain, just going through a bunch of them off the top of my head, you might think Serena Williams Here's why.

這些是就我能想到的唯一的體育項目，在那裡，這是相關的現在，讓我解釋一下，只是通過他們的一堆我的頭頂，你可能會認為塞雷娜-威廉姆斯這是為什麼。

I do not put Serena Williams in this category despite the fact that she is still chasing the record for most career Slams.

我不把塞雷娜-威廉姆斯放在這個類別中，儘管她仍然在追逐職業生涯最多大滿貫的記錄。

It is my opinion, and I think, the opinion of most people who follow the sport and care about it, that Serena Williams is already the greatest player in the history of women's tennis, whether she gets that record or not.

這是我的看法，我想，也是大多數關注這項運動、關心這項運動的人的看法，塞雷娜-威廉姆斯已經是女子網球歷史上最偉大的球員了，無論她是否拿到這個紀錄。

I don't think there's much debate about that, so I don't believe she's chasing a ghost.

我想這一點沒有什麼好爭論的，所以我不相信她是在追鬼。

Yes, she's chasing a record, but I believe she is the goat whether she gets there or not.

是的，她是在追尋記錄，但我相信無論她是否能達到目標，她都是那隻羊。

Men's tennis.

男子網球。

You have three players.

你有三個玩家。

They're not chasing ghosts.

他們不是在抓鬼。

They're not chasing Rod Laver or Pete Sampras or John McEnroe.

他們不是在追逐羅德-拉弗或皮特-桑普拉斯或約翰-麥肯羅。

They're fighting it out against each other.

他們在互相較勁。

When they're all done, one of the three of them will be the greatest player of all time.

當他們都完成後，他們三個中的一個將成為最偉大的球員。

Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, One of the three of them will emerge is the greatest of all time.

費德勒、納達爾、德約科維奇，他們三人中會出現一個是史上最偉大的。

They're not chasing ghosts, go through some of the other sports.

他們不是在追鬼，通過一些其他的運動。

Tom Brady, I believe, already has staked his claim to being the greatest of all time.

湯姆-布雷迪，我相信，他已經把自己的主張定位於史上最偉大的人。

He's not chasing anything.

他沒有在追逐什麼。

Patrick Mahomes, you might argue, is chasing him, but he's that's so far away.

帕特里克-馬霍姆斯，你可能會說，是在追他，但他是那麼的遙遠。

But it's much too soon.

但這也太快了吧。

We even have the conversation.

我們甚至有對話。

What other sports have we gone to?

我們還去參加過什麼運動？

Baseball?

棒球？

Mike Trout?

邁克-特勞特？

Mike Trout has got to be a decade away from that conversation.

邁克-特勞特離這個話題還有十年的時間。

Yes, he's chasing it, but he's a long way away from that conversation being Jermaine.

是的，他在追，但他離那場對話是傑梅因還差得很遠。

The point I'm trying to make here is that the the significance of 1/6 championship for LeBron is almost impossible to put into words.

我在這裡想說的是，1/6總冠軍對於勒布朗的意義幾乎無法用語言表達。

It would be the most, I think, significant milestone that any player could currently reach that that feels within reach again.

我想，這將是目前任何一個玩家都能達到的最重要的里程碑，讓人感覺又觸手可及。

Mike Trout.

邁克-特勞特

Check back with me on that 16 or seven years from now, we can have that conversation.

16年或7年後再來找我，我們可以進行這種對話。

But it feels to me like the Lakers Air now set up to be in a position to win two more championships in the next three years.

但在我看來，感覺湖人隊空現在的設定是在未來三年內再拿兩個冠軍。

I asked Kendrick Perkins and I S J.

我問Kendrick Perkins和I S J.

Williams on Get up this morning.

威廉姆斯在今天早上起床。

They're locked into a least three more years together.

他們至少還要在一起三年。

How many do they win?

他們能贏多少？

And both of them both J Will and Kendrick Perkins said, You have to figure at least two two was the magic number.

而他們兩個J威爾和肯德里克-帕金斯都說，你要想至少兩個二是個神奇的數字。

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Okay, let's bring Brian Wynne horse into the conversation and see what he thinks of it all.

好吧，讓我們把布萊恩-溫恩馬扯進來，看看他是怎麼想的。

He's on the shell pencil performance line.

他在貝殼鉛筆性能線上。

He hosts the hoop Collective.

他主持的箍集體。

Podcasting is, of course, one of our best and my favorite NBA analysts.

當然，播客是我們最好的，也是我最喜歡的NBA分析師之一。

Windy.

電梯。

That's that's sort of the set up here with the resigning today of Anthony Davis and the extension the other day to LeBron if you were to make a wager right now, as they're locked in for at least the next three seasons together, how many titles do you think is a safe bet they will put together in the next three years?

今天安東尼-戴維斯辭職，前幾天又續約勒布朗，這算是這裡的套路了，如果你現在要打一個賭，因為他們至少鎖定了未來三個賽季的合作對象，你覺得他們未來三年會湊齊多少個冠軍是安全的？

Can I take a quick diversion to that golf thing?

我可以快速轉移注意力到高爾夫那件事上嗎？

Preparing toe Tiger LeBron?

準備迎接老虎勒布朗？

One of the things that Jack Nicholas has on his resume that makes his status so incredible is in addition to the 18 majors.

傑克-尼古拉斯的履歷中，讓他的地位如此不可思議的，除了18個大滿貫之外，還有一件事。

I believe he has 17 runners up in majors, which establishes him as the greatest major player of all time because he has so many that is seen as a burnish mint to his resume.

我相信他有17個大滿貫的亞軍，這確立了他作為所有時間最偉大的主要球員，因為他有這麼多，這被視為他的履歷的燒錢薄荷。

But LeBron, who was four and six and finals those six losses, are not seen as as burnishing it.

但是，勒布朗這六場比賽的四場和六場以及總決賽的那六場失利，並沒有被看做是燒錢。

Those were seen as negative.

這些被視為消極的。

And even if he does win tomb or I think that people who defend Jordan will say, Well, Jordan was six and oh, when LeBron was six and six or six and seven or six and eight or whatever it is.

即使他確實贏得了墓或我認為，捍衛喬丹的人會說，嗯，喬丹是六和哦，當勒布朗六和六或六和七或六和八或不管它是什麼。

It's interesting to me that LeBron sort of gets penalized in his board.

我覺得很有意思，勒布朗算是在他的板塊裡被罰了。

I feel whereas, um whereas Jack, I don't think it, I think it helps him.

我覺得雖然，嗯... ...雖然傑克，我不認為它，我認為這有助於他。

Can I just say quickly about that?

我可以快速地說一下嗎？

You're so right.

你說的太對了

I thoroughly agree.

我完全同意。

People tried to do the same thing with Brady when they said, Well, look, Montana was four no in Super Bowls, and Bradshaw was four.

人們試圖對布雷迪做同樣的事情，當他們說，好吧，聽著，蒙塔納在超級碗中是四次沒有，而佈雷肖是四次。

No, and Brady, I believe, was four and two at the at the point that he won his fifth.

不 布雷迪 我相信在他贏得第五場比賽的時候 他的成績是4勝2負。

Whatever it is and I always say the only way that four no in the Super Bowl is better than four and two in the Super Bowl is if you on.

不管它是什麼，我總是說，超級碗中的四不比超級碗中的四和二好，唯一的辦法就是你上。

Lee played four years.

李先生打了四年。

Otherwise, you are now penalizing someone for winning playoff games.

否則，你現在是在懲罰某人贏得季後賽。

It is Aziz, though.

是阿茲，不過。

Joe Montana, losing the NFC championship game to the Giants and Jeff Hostetler was better for his legacy than if he had won that game and made it to the Super Bowl and lost.

喬-蒙塔納，輸給巨人隊和傑夫-霍斯特勒的NFC冠軍賽，比他贏了那場比賽，打進超級碗，輸了更好。

So exactly your point.

所以正是你的意思。

For LeBron James, making it to the finals is better than not making it to the finals.

對於勒布朗-詹姆斯來說，進了總決賽總比沒進總決賽好。

So I completely agree with you.

所以我完全同意你的觀點。

I want to do add to your point windy back to you.

我想對你的觀點做補充，風風火火的回你。

So LeBron has talked about this vaguely.

所以勒布朗已經隱隱約約地談到了這個問題。

He.

他：

I mean, he's never going to take a shot at the King, but he's talked about how he feels like that.

我的意思是，他永遠不會對國王出手，但他已經談到了他的感受。

He has been available for his teammates, is something that he feels is a strong pillar in his career.

他一直為隊友服務，是他覺得自己職業生涯中的一個強大支柱。

And I think he's coded Lee talking about Listen, I've picked myself up off of terrible losses and come back.

我覺得他給李打了個暗號，他說："聽著，我已經從可怕的失利中振作起來，回來了。

I've gone to the finals 45678 years in a row brought myself back, whereas Jordan and certainly we saw in the last dance that it's not an apples to apples comparison.

我已經連續45678年進入總決賽把自己帶回來了，而喬丹和當然我們在最後的舞蹈中看到，這不是一個蘋果和蘋果的比較。

But Jordan did have toe yield a couple of times and had he not yielded, he would have more than six and have more than six finals.

但喬丹確實有幾次趾高氣揚的屈服，假如他不屈服，他的總決賽次數就會超過6次，而且超過6次。

But I do think LeBron feels like that should be credited for him, and I don't care what he wants to say publicly.

但我覺得勒布朗覺得這應該是他的功勞，我不在乎他想公開說什麼。

I know that he wants that mantle.

我知道他想得到那個衣缽。

I don't know if he thinks he can get there, and I think that's why he'll stop every short of announcing that.

我不知道他是否認為他能達到這個目的，我想這就是為什麼他會停止每一次短促的宣佈。

That is his ultimate goal because he doesn't want to be cut off for not getting there.

這是他的終極目標，因為他不想因為達不到目標而被砍掉。

But he wants him.

但他想要他。

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