♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.

>> Stephen:嘿，大家好。

WE'RE BACK HERE WITH MICHAEL MOORE.

我們回到這裡，邁克爾-摩爾。

NOW, YOU'VE MADE DOCUMENTARIES OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT IF

現在，你在過去的四年裡做了一些記錄，但是如果...

YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND MAKE A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE

你打算回顧過去，並製作一部關於 "我 "的紀錄片。

LAST FOUR YEARS IN AMERICA, ABOUT THE SWEEP OF IT, WHAT

在美國的過去四年裡，關於它的席捲，什麼？

WOULD YOU SAY THE LESSON OR THE THEMES YOU WOULD TAKE FROM THE

你會說你從這個電影中得到的教訓或主題是什麼？

LAST FOUR YEARS OF THIS PRESIDENCY?

本屆總統任期的最後四年？

>> FIRST, I WOULD NOT MAKE THAT FILM, IN PART BECAUSE WHO WOULD

>> 首先，我不會拍那部電影，部分原因是誰會。

WANT TO WATCH A FILM THAT SHOWED YOU THE LAST FOUR YEARS?

想看一部過去四年裡讓你看到的電影嗎？

WE JUST LIVED THROUGH IT.

我們剛剛經歷了它。

THE WORST THING I COULD DO TO PEOPLE IS SHOW THEM THE LAST

我對人們做的最壞的事情就是給他們看最後的東西。

FOUR YEARS.

四年了

FOR THAT REASON ALONE, THE IDEA IS OUT, BUT YOUR QUESTION IS A

僅僅因為這個原因，這個想法是不存在的，但你的問題是一個。

GOOD ONE.

好的一個。

>> Stephen: THANK YOU.

>> Stephen:謝謝你。

WHAT IF WE LEARNED?

如果我們學到了什麼？

AND I THINK THE THING THAT'S BEEN -- THE FACT THAT WE AS

我認為事情是... ...事實上，我們作為...

AMERICANS WOULD ALLOW A SITUATION -- SO MANY SITUATIONS,

美國人會允許一種情況 -- -- 這麼多的情況。

ACTUALLY -- TO EXIST, WHETHER IT'S TAKING BABIES OUT OF THEIR

實際上 - 存在，無論是採取嬰兒從他們的

MOTHERS' ARMS, PUTTING THEM IN CAGES, WHETHER IT'S ALL THE

母親的臂膀，把它們放在籠子裡，不管它是所有的。

OTHER STUFF THAT WE LET THIS GO ON, IT WAS DONE IN OUR NAME,

其他的事情，我們讓這個繼續， 它是以我們的名義做的。

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER

而且，你知道，這是 - 你知道，我們將不得不回答。

FOR THIS SOME DAY BECAUSE IT WAS DONE IN MY NAME, AND MY TAX

為了這一天，因為它是以我的名義做的，和我的稅。

DOLLARS PAID FOR IT.

美元支付了它。

SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY -- I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE

所以，我認為這是一個非常 - 我認為這將需要一段時間。

FOR US.

為我們：

IN A WAY, I GUESS WE CAN REDEEM OURSELVES WITH THIS IS OUR NEW

在某種程度上，我想我們可以贖回我們自己與這是我們的新。

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT ARE GOING TO DO THINGS THAT ARE

主席和副主席要做的事情是：

GOING TO BE THERE FOR PEOPLE.

去那裡的人。

I MEAN, JUST BEFORE WE STARTED, THE THING CAME ACROSS THAT THE

我的意思是，就在我們開始之前，有件事發生了，就是...

POPE HAD CALLED JOE BIDEN, AND THEY HAD A CONVERSATION, AND THE

教皇叫來了喬-比登，他們進行了一次談話，並

BIDEN CAMPAIGN, THEY PUT OUT A READOUT OF WHAT THE CONVERSATION

比登競選，他們放出了對話的內容。

SAID, AND IN THERE THEY TALKED ABOUT -- BIDEN TALKED ABOUT, TO

說，在那裡他們談到了... ...比登談到了... ...。

THE POPE, ABOUT HOW HE WAS GOING TO MAKE AMERICA A WELCOMING

教皇，關於他將如何使美國成為一個受歡迎的國家。

PLACE FOR PEOPLE, FOR REFUGEES, FOR THE HAVE-NOTS, AND THE

人的地方，難民的地方，沒有人的地方，還有人的地方。

HAVE-NOTS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PRIMARY FOCUS

我們這裡的 "有 "和 "無 "將成為主要焦點。

BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS IS OUR SECOND CATHOLIC PRESIDENT, SO,

因為，我的意思是，這是我們的第二任教廷主席，所以。

YOU KNOW, HE -- >> Stephen: THAT'S BEEN

你知道，他 -- >> 斯蒂芬。這就是

OVERLOOKED A LITTLE BIT.

忽略了一點。

NOT AS MUCH A DEAL HAS BEEN MADE OF THAT.

沒有那麼多的交易已經做出的。

>> RIGHT.

>> 右邊。

>> Stephen: BUT AS A CATHOLIC MYSELF, I WAS REALLY STRUCK --

>> Stephen:但作為一個天主教徒的我，我真的很震驚 -- --

FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW MR. BIDEN TO BE A FREQUENT IF NOT DAILY

首先，我知道比登先生是一個經常甚至是每天都來的人。首先，我知道比登先生即使不是每天也是經常來的。

COMCOMMUNICANT AND HE TAKES HIS FAITH SERIOUSLY AND I'M MOVED

溝通，他認真地對待他的信仰，我被感動了。

WITH THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH HIM PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY

我和他公開和私下的談話。

ABOUT HIS FAITH, AND YOU'VE HAD AN OPEN CONVERSATION ABOUT HIS

關於他的信仰，你已經開誠佈公地討論了他的信仰。

RELIGION.

宗教：

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU?

為什麼這對你很重要？

>> BECAUSE HE AND YOU AND I, WE ALL WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND

>>因為他和你和我，我們都上過天主教學校，而且。

LEARNED THE SAME LESSONS.

學到了同樣的教訓。

I SAID TO HIM IN THIS LETTER, WHAT ARE THE LESSONS?

我在這封信中對他說，什麼是教訓？

THE LESSON IS THE RICH MAN WILL HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING INTO

教訓是，富人將更難進入。

HEAVEN THAN A CAMEL GETTING INTO THE EYE OF A NEEDLE.

天堂比駱駝進了針眼還厲害。

BLESSED ARE THE POOR, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE WHO

貧窮的人有福了，我們必須照顧那些人。

DON'T -- WHO ARE THE LEAST AMONG US, THAT'S HOW WE'LL BE JUDGED.

不要... ... 誰是最不屬於我們的人， 這就是我們將如何評判。

SO I SAID I'M ASSUMING -- I SAID THIS TO HIM -- THAT THESE ARE

所以我說，我假設 - 我這樣對他說 - 這些都是：

GOING TO BE THE MORAL PRINCIPLES OF THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY.

將成為比登總統的道德原則。

I'M JUST GOING TO ASSUME THAT AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE I DO

我只是去假設，自動 因為我做的。

BELIEVE HE'S A MAN OF FAITH, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO SERVE

相信他是一個有信仰的人，我認為這將是服務於

US REALLY WELL.

我們真的很好。

FOR THIS EXAMPLE, STEPHEN, THE FACT THAT HE PICKED KAMALA

在這個例子中，史蒂芬，他選擇卡馬拉的事實是：

HARRIS TO BE HIS RUNNING MATE, BUT ASIDE THE FACT THAT TRUMP

哈里斯是他的競選夥伴，但除了特朗普的事實，

AND PENCE WERE RIGHT WHEN SHE IS RANKED THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR

她被評為最自由主義的參議員，彭斯是對的。

IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, SO HE WENT TO THE LEFT WHEN HE

在美國參議院，所以他去了左邊，當他。

CHOSE HIS VICE PRESIDENT.

選擇了他的副主席。

MORE THAN THAT, IN THE FIRST DEBATE, SHE WENT AFTER HIM.

不僅如此，在第一次辯論中，她還追隨他。

>> Stephen: OH, THEY BUTTED HEADS, YEAH.

>> 哦，他們撞到了頭，是的。

>> AND YOU COULD SEE ON HIS FACE, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO

>> 你可以在他的臉上看到，他不知道該怎麼做。

SAY.

說：

LATER I THOUGHT, HE HAS A CONSCIENCE, THERE'S A LITTLE

後來我想，他是有意識的，有一點兒。

VOICE IN THERE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHE'S GOT A POINT.

那裡的聲音說，好吧，你知道，也許她有一個觀點。

YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WAS THE YOUNGER ME.

你知道，但那是年輕的我。

AND SHE WAS THROWING SHADE ON THE YOUNGER SELF OF JOE BIDEN.

她在向年輕的喬-比登潑冷水。

BUT THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY HE FORGAVE THAT, THAT HE HELD NO

但事實是，他不僅忘記了，他也沒有持有。

GRUDGE, THAT HE JUST DIDN'T FORGIVE, HE PUT HER ON THE

格魯吉亞，他只是沒有原諒，他把她的

TICKET, WHO WOULD DO THAT?

票，誰會這麼做？

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I WOULD, BUT I DON'T THINK I WOULD.

我想認為我可以，但我不認為我可以。

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD.

我不知道你會不會。

YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE -- HE DID THAT, AND I THOUGHT, WOW, IF

你知道，我們會喜歡 - 他這樣做，我想，哇，如果。

THAT IS HIS MORAL COMPASS, IF THIS IS HOW HE IS TOWARD PEOPLE,

這是他的道德指南針，如果這是他是如何對人。

PEOPLE WHO HE PROBABLY -- HE WAS PROBABLY MAD AT HER THAT NIGHT,

人誰，他可能 - 他可能是瘋了她的那一夜。

BUT HE DIDN'T HOLD IT AGAINST HER, SHE HAD A RIGHT TO SAY IT,

但他沒有拿它來對付她，她有權利說出來。

THEN HE PICS HER TO BE VICE PRESIDENT.

然後他把她拍成了副總統。

THIS IS SUCH A POSITIVE SIGN FOR ME THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE IN

這對我來說是一個積極的信號，我們將在。

THE POLAR OPPOSITE ERA THAN THE FOUR YEARS THAT WE JUST WENT

比起我們剛剛經歷的四年，極地相反的時代。

THROUGH.

通過：

>> Stephen: I WOULD AGREE.

>> Stephen:我同意。

WHILE THE UNITED STATES STILL HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS IT HAD TWO

雖然美國仍然存在同樣的問題，但它曾有兩個

WEEKS AGO, AT LEAST THE POSITION OF THE PRESIDENT WILL BE

幾周前，至少主席的職位將被取消。

OCCUPIED BY SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO EMBODY SOME OF THE

被將會體現在某些人身上的人所佔據。

PRINCIPLES, RELIGIOUS OR NOT, THAT WE NEED AS A MORAL EXAMPLE

我們需要作為道德榜樣的原則，無論是否有宗教信仰。

FOR ALL OF US TO GET ALONG.

為了讓我們所有人都能走到一起。

MYEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

梅爾，謝謝你來這裡。

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THE MAN IS MICHAEL MOORE, EVERYBODY.

這個人就是邁克爾-摩爾，各位。

WHEN WE COME BACK, ST STEVE CARE AND I DISCUSS EXCITING MOVIES WE

當我們回來的時候，ST STEVE CARE和我討論我們的精彩電影。

FORGOT WE MADE TOGETHER.

忘了我們是在一起的。

STICK AROUND, THANKS, MICHAEL.

堅持下去，謝謝，邁克爾。