If you look behind me, you might be able to make out a giant American flag suspended from two cranes.

如果你在我身後看，你也許能看到一面巨大的美國國旗懸掛在兩隻起重機上。

Under that somewhere is the stage from which Joe Biden is due to speak sometime tonight, we're told in prime time that's in a couple of hours time, presumably, but we just don't know what he's going to say, as you say it will depends on what news comes out of those battleground states that Mark was talking about of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona.

在那下面的某個地方是舞臺，喬-拜登將在今晚的某個時候發表講話，我們被告知在黃金時間，大概是在幾個小時後，但我們只是不知道他將會說什麼，正如你所說，這將取決於馬克所說的喬治亞州，賓夕法尼亞州，亞利桑那州等戰場州的消息。

Does he get enough tonight?

他今晚能吃飽嗎？

Plausibly claimed victory, although he spent the day at home with his friends and family.

合理地宣稱勝利了，雖然他今天在家和他的朋友和家人在一起。

We are told that he's been reaching out to former colleagues in the Senate, Republicans trying to line up some support across the aisle for the point at which the election is declared.

我們被告知，他一直在聯繫參議院的前同事，共和黨人試圖為宣佈選舉的時間點排隊獲得一些跨黨派的支持。

If it comes in his favor as his team increasingly suspect, he wants those Republicans to come out and declare that the election is in fact legitimate.

如果它對他有利，因為他的團隊越來越懷疑，他希望那些共和黨人出來宣佈選舉事實上是合法的。

It was fair it wasn't fraudulent.

這是公平的它不是欺詐。

He thinks an important part of moving the country forward is to isolate the president in his claims of fraud.

他認為推動國家發展的一個重要部分是孤立總統的欺詐主張。

Oh, and really, that's actually been happening today, several Republican senators have come out on distance themselves from President Trump's baseless claims last night that the Democrats are seeking to steal the election through fraud.

哦，真的，今天其實已經發生了，幾位共和黨參議員已經站出來與特朗普總統昨晚毫無根據的說法保持距離，即民主黨正在尋求通過欺詐竊取選舉。

Senator Pat Toomey, from that battleground state of Pennsylvania, said he thought the president's comments were quote very disturbing.

來自賓夕法尼亞州那個戰場州的參議員帕特-圖米說，他認為總統的言論被引用非常令人不安。

Meanwhile, the president himself is apparently increasingly livid with the lack of support that he's been getting.

與此同時，總統本人顯然對自己一直得不到支持的情況越來越氣憤。

His legal team has been sent out to gather evidence of that fraud that so far has not been forthcoming.

他的法律團隊已經被派去收集該欺詐行為的證據，但至今沒有得到。

And sources close to the president is saying that no one has ever had the conversation with him about how he should behave.

而接近總統的消息人士則表示，從來沒有人和他進行過關於他應該如何表現的對話。

What he should do were he to lose its being a closed subject.

他應該做什麼，如果他失去了它是一個封閉的主題。

Another problem is he's running out of funds.

另一個問題是他的資金不夠用了。

His campaign has run dry.

他的競選活動已經枯竭。

He set up on appeal for a legal fighting fund.

他在上訴時設立了一個法律鬥爭基金。

It's Bean, another extraordinary day in American politics on one that's largely gone in the direction of Joe Biden.

是豆，美國政壇上又是一個不平凡的日子，在這個日子裡，美國政壇基本上是朝著喬-拜登的方向發展的。

Things divided country, one Mawr Division thing.

事情劃分國家，一個毛司的事情。

He those who think the election has, by and large bean fair on those who don't The president appears increasingly unlikely to be re elected on last night made wild allegations about the process.

他那些認為選舉已經，大體上是公平的對那些誰不總統似乎越來越不可能重新當選昨晚提出野生指控的過程。

If you count the legal votes, I easily win.

如果算上合法的票數，我很容易就贏了。

If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal three election from us.

如果你算上非法的票，他們就可以從我們這裡搶走三次選舉。

Many networks simply cut him off.

很多網絡乾脆把他斷了。

We were watching President Trump speaking live from the White House, and we have to interrupt here because the president has made a number of false statements.

我們正在看特朗普總統在白宮的演講直播，我們不得不在這裡打斷一下，因為總統發表了一些錯誤的言論。

Were interrupting this because what the president of the United States is saying in large part, is absolutely untrue.

因為美國總統說的那些話，在很大程度上是不真實的。

A stock example of what appears to be power ebbing a Z mail in ballots continue to be processed and counted.

貌似權力退潮的股票例子，Z郵寄進來的選票繼續被處理和計算。

Joe Biden overtook Mr Trump in Georgia, a state which hasn't voted for a Democrat for president since Bill Clinton.

喬-拜登在佐治亞州超過了特朗普先生，該州自比爾-克林頓以來一直沒有投票給民主黨人的總統。

However, there are more votes to come on.

然而，還有更多的票數要上。

The secretary of state of Georgia confirmed there will now be a recount.

佐治亞州的國務祕書證實，現在將進行重新計票。

Good morning, everyone of approximately five million votes cast.

早上好，各位大約500萬票的投票。

We'll have a margin of a few 1000 with a margin that small.

這麼小的餘地，我們會有幾千的餘地。

There will be a recount in Georgia Jo from Georgia to Pennsylvania.

佐治亞州將有一場從喬治亞州到賓夕法尼亞州的重新計票。

Major major development right now.

現在主要的重大發展。

Take a look at this Biden 49.4% trump 49.3% with Joe Biden having this was enough for the speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, to make her own premature declaration.

看看這個拜登49.4%特朗普49.3%，喬-拜登有這個足以讓眾議院議長南希-佩洛西做出自己過早的宣言。

Pretty soon, the hyphen will be gone from vice president to President elect Joe Biden, the only girl in Delaware, Joe Biden has been a frequent diner at Angelo's luncheonette.

很快，連字元就會從副總統變成候任總統喬-拜登了，喬-拜登是特拉華州唯一的女孩，喬-拜登一直是安吉洛午餐店的常客。

There I met John Flaherty, who spent 16 years working in Joe Biden's Senate office.

在那裡我遇到了約翰-弗拉赫蒂，他在喬-拜登的參議院辦公室工作了16年。

I don't think you're gonna find anybody, uh, in the White House who was more prepared than Joe Biden.

我想你在白宮找不到比喬・拜登準備得更充分的人了

He has a history of reaching out and talking to people that are diametrically opposed to what he stands for, and I think that's a real positive attributes.

他曾經接觸過與他所代表的截然相反的人，並與之交談，我認為這是一個真正的積極屬性。

It's not an attribute in some of the primaries because it zits so polarized on the edges, but he was able to survive those primaries.

在一些初選中，這並不是一個屬性，因為它的邊緣上的兩極分化太嚴重了，但他能夠在這些初選中生存下來。

In the back of the luncheonette amongst the Elvis memorabilia is a poster of Joe Biden's first presidential run.

在午宴廳後面的貓王紀念品中，有一張喬-拜登第一次競選總統的海報。

32 years later, it looks like he might have made it.

32年後，看來他可能已經成功了。

David Grossman there, well, joining us now.

大衛・格羅斯曼在那裡，好，現在加入我們。

Mick Mulvaney, former White House chief of staff to Donald Trump.

米克-馬爾瓦尼，唐納德-特朗普的前白宮幕僚長。

Soon we're going to be joined by Bob Casey, the senior senator for the crucial state of Pennsylvania.

很快我們將迎來鮑勃-凱西，關鍵的賓夕法尼亞州的資深參議員。

You're just hearing about Mick Mulvaney.

你只是聽說了Mick Mulvaney的事。

I wonder what you make of people from your own side, whether it's packed to me saying, It's very hard to watch the president's words last night or Mike DeWine, the Ohio governor, saying, We as a country accept election results or John Bolton saying We're facing a character test.

我不知道你怎麼看待自己這邊的人，不管是擠滿了人的我說，昨晚看總統的話很難受，還是俄亥俄州州長Mike DeWine說，我們作為一個國家接受選舉結果，還是John Bolton說，我們正面臨著一場性格考驗。

Is it hard to listen to the president make a speech like the one he made last night?

聽總統發表像昨晚那樣的演講，難嗎？

Keep in mind John Bolton, then the president, famously don't get along so you can throw that one out.

要知道約翰-博爾頓，當時的總統，著名的不和，所以你可以把這個扔掉。

But to your point about watching this speech last night, look, I watched the speech last night along with everybody else, and I heard the president say if we count the legal votes, he's going to win.

但對於你說的昨晚看演講的觀點，聽著，我昨晚和大家一起看了演講，我聽到總統說，如果我們計算合法選票，他就會贏。

If they don't, he's got a chance to lose.

如果他們不這樣做，他就有機會失去。

I'm willing to believe that I just need to see evidence at some point.

我願意相信，我只是需要在某些時候看到證據。

At some point, you have toe to put up or shut up.

在某種程度上，你必須忍受或閉嘴。

We've all heard the anecdotal evidence.

我們都聽說過傳聞中的證據。

I've been receiving it all day about dead people voting about people voting in the wrong state about people vaulting, voting multiple times.

我整天都在收到關於死人投票的消息 關於人們在錯誤的狀態下投票 關於人們跳樓，多次投票的消息。

So we hear the anecdotes, but anecdotes don't cut it.

所以我們聽到的是傳聞，但傳聞並不能說明問題。

At some point you have to present data.

在某些時候，你必須提出數據。

You have to make legal arguments.

你必須進行法律論證。

And it we're approaching the time where the Trump campaign needs to start putting down hard faxes opposed to allegations, right?

而我們正在接近特朗普競選活動需要開始放下硬傳真反對指控的時候，對嗎？

I mean, you're on the same side.

我的意思是，你是站在同一邊的。

It sounds like a senior Republicans are just quoted.

聽起來像是剛剛引用了一位資深的共和黨人的話。

He hasn't got the evidence, has he?

他還沒有拿到證據，是嗎？

He hasn't.

他沒有。

Well, he hasn't.

嗯，他沒有。

I'm not on the same side as John Bolton, John Bolton said.

我和約翰-博爾頓不是同一陣營的，約翰-博爾頓說。

It's a question of character again, that that's that's not the question.

這又是一個人品的問題，那是那不是問題。

I think all Republicans were willing to still admit there's a chance the president wins.

我想所有的共和黨人都願意仍然承認總統有機會獲勝。

Pennsylvania is not lost yet.

賓夕法尼亞州還沒有失去。

George not lost yet.

喬治還沒有失去。

I still think he's going to win Arizona, which would dramatically change the account so far.

我仍然認為他將贏得亞利桑那州，這將極大地改變迄今為止的帳戶。

But at some point we need to see the facts and not just the allegations.

但在某些時候，我們需要看到事實，而不僅僅是指控。

Yeah, because there is a sense now isn't there amongst the Republican Party on He was calling out yesterday.

是的，因為有一種感覺，現在是不是有 共和黨之間對他昨天呼籲。

Eric Trump and Giuliani was saying, Where's the GOP now that they're actually moving away from him because somebody's probably got to tell him that without evidence, you can't keep making these kind of allegations, and you can't keep jumping in and trying to create illegal contortion where you haven't got fax to back it up.

埃裡克-特朗普和朱利安尼說，現在GOP在哪裡，他們實際上正在遠離他，因為有人可能要告訴他，如果沒有證據，你不能繼續提出這種指控，你不能繼續跳進並試圖創造非法的變形，你沒有得到傳真來支持它。

I mean, he just tweeted on.

我的意思是，他只是在推特上。

He said that Joe Biden shouldn't wrongfully claimed the office of President.

他說，喬-拜登不應該錯誤地要求擔任總統職務。

Now that's something that Joe Biden has very carefully, not done.

現在，這一點喬-拜登非常小心，沒有做到。

He's just said we have to carry on counting the votes on Donald Trump is the one who said, Stop counting, Stop counting Right again.

他只是說，我們要繼續計算唐納德-特朗普的選票是誰說，停止計算，停止計算右再次。

The lawyers are going to be telling him that it's completely legitimate under our system to bring legal challenges just as it is legal and legitimate.

律師們要告訴他，在我們的制度下，提起法律質疑是完全合法的，就像合法正當的一樣。

Excuse me to do recounts, which looks like they're gonna happen in most of these every state, though.

對不起，我得重新計票了，雖然看起來他們會在每個州的大部分地區發生。

Come on.

來吧。

No, in every state, and not when you've already sent out a warning weeks ago that as soon as the polls close, call the lawyers finish my answer.

不，在每個州都是如此，而不是當你幾周前就已經發出了警告 投票一結束，就叫律師來完成我的回答。

It doesn't have to be in every single state, but you're going to have one.

不一定要在每個州都有，但你要有一個。

Obviously, in Georgia, there's laws on how to count out of the recounts in states like Arizona, Pennsylvania and, yes, you are looking at recounts most of these states.

顯然，在佐治亞州，有法律規定如何算出亞利桑那、賓夕法尼亞等州的重新計票，是的，你看到的是這些州的大部分重新計票。

I just wonder who is who is by his side.

只是不知道誰是誰在他身邊。

Do you think that is prepared to say to him, Look, you did a great job.

你覺得是準備對他說，你看，你做得很好。

You won four years ago.

你四年前就贏了

You bought brand new people into the party.

你收買了全新的人入黨。

But it's time to G O on that.

但現在是時候G O上了。

There is a time for graciousness, and we saw it from Hillary Clinton four years ago.

有一個親切的時間，我們在四年前從希拉里-克林頓身上看到了這一點。

We saw it from John McCain when he lost.

我們從約翰-麥凱恩輸掉比賽時看到了這一點。

We saw it from George H.

我們從喬治-H那裡看到的。

Bush when he lost.

布什失利時。

There is a there is a moment for grace.

有一個有一個的恩典時刻。

Presumably, somebody needs toe have that conversation with the president.

大概有人需要和總統進行這樣的對話吧。

Yeah, I'm not sure.

是的，我不確定。

Hillary Clinton qualifies graciousness on the way she's handled, wished him well, but to Europe.

希拉里-克林頓在處理方式上資格親切，祝他好，但對歐洲。

She wished him well.

她希望他好。

And she conceded the inner circle at this point would be most likely when it comes to present the family.

而她也承認，此時的內圈將是最有可能出現家族時。

It would be his adult Children, the first lady and some of his very closest of business friends and associates.

這將是他成年後的孩子，第一夫人和一些他最親密的商業朋友和同事。

That would be the folks that he's turning to for the for advice in this very critical time to answer your question, let's talk to Senator Bob Casey.

在這個非常關鍵的時刻，這將是他轉向的鄉親們的建議，回答你的問題，讓我們和鮑勃-凱西參議員談談。

I think the problem is Bob Casey is that everyone is sort of acting like this is a done deal on the point that Mick Mulvaney made.

我認為鮑勃-凱西的問題是，每個人都有點像在米克-穆爾瓦尼提出的觀點上，這是一個完成的交易。

It isn't actually a done deal, right?

其實也不是一錘定音吧？

I mean, you.

我的意思是，你。

How confident is the Biden team now that it's all over?

現在一切都結束了，拜登團隊有多大信心？

Well, I just speak from my perspective.

好吧，我只是從我的角度出發。

I know 16 statewide elections in Pennsylvania's I know a good bit about the state.

在賓夕法尼亞州的16個州的選舉中，我對該州的情況瞭如指掌。

And here's the reality.

而這就是現實。

Joe Biden's ahead, now in Pennsylvania, has lead will continue to grow its inexorable in terms of the mail in ballots he's gonna have.

喬-拜登現在在賓夕法尼亞州的領先優勢將繼續擴大，在郵寄選票方面，他將擁有不可阻擋的優勢。

He's gonna have a lead that I think will be substantial enough for a determination about when networks or news organizations make a call.

他會有一個領先的，我認為將是實質性的 足夠的決定，當網絡或新聞機構作出調用。

But the that lead will also grow.

但該領先也會增長。

So by the time there was an official count, that is always later and the number is always higher, I believe, based upon the data I've seen and folks whose data crunching I trust that the margin will be either north or south of 100,000 votes, which would be well above the 44,000 to 92 the president won by and that was his official of the the Million Dollar Question, Senator, because you're right in the heart of things.

所以到了正式計票的時候，總是比較晚，而且數字總是比較高，我相信，根據我所看到的數據，以及我所信任的人的數據計算，差額將在10萬票的北部或南部，這將遠遠高於總統贏得的44,000比92，這是他的官方的百萬美元問題，參議員，因為你是在事情的中心。

You wouldn't have any sense of timing on that, would you?

你不會有任何的時間觀念吧？

Because I think from about nine o'clock this morning, when Joe Biden looked as if he was taking the lead, everyone's being on that knife edge.

因為我覺得從今早九點開始 喬・拜登看起來好像是在領先的時候 每個人都在刀刃上。

But it's not clear, right?

但也不清楚吧？

Well, that I think part of the problem was since this morning that the counting slowed down for all kinds of reasons, but that that's just part of the process.

我想問題的一部分是今天早上開始，由於各種原因，計票速度變慢了，但這只是過程的一部分。

I don't know when when there'll be a margin that will be high enough for people to think that is.

我不知道什麼時候才會有一個足夠高的利潤率，讓人覺得那是。

It's reached the point of making a determination about the race.

已經到了對比賽做出決定的地步。

But But I have no doubt he's gonna win, and I have no doubt that it will be when all the county has done in that range.

但但我毫不懷疑他一定會贏，而且我毫不懷疑，當縣裡在這個範圍內所做的一切。

I don't know if you heard from Mick Mulvaney a few moments ago, but the fact is that Donald Trump made a speech last night which certainly some on his own side and maybe half the country I e.

我不知道你剛才是否聽到了米克-穆爾瓦尼的講話，但事實是，唐納德-特朗普昨晚發表了一個演講，當然有些人在他自己的身邊，也許一半的國家我e。

The people who voted for him will have taken at face value.

投票給他的人都會信以為真。

So I wonder what any future Joe Biden presidency does with that?

所以，我不知道未來喬-拜登任總統時都會怎麼處理？

Well, I don't know.

好吧，我不知道。

I'm not sure what a new administration does with that other than in the near term.

我不知道新一屆政府除了在短期內會做什麼。

I think we have to be very clear what the responsibilities are of a president.

我認為我們必須非常清楚一個總統的責任是什麼。

Hey has an obligation to make statements and to conduct himself in to propose to propose policies and ideas that are consistent with respecting the will of the American people when they vote on also has to make it very clear that he will, um, comply with the peaceful transfer of power.

嘿有義務作出聲明和行為自己在提出提出政策和想法是一致的尊重美國人民的意志，當他們投票時也必須非常清楚地表明，他將，嗯，遵守和平移交權力。

So far, he hasn't been willing to do any of the kind.

到目前為止，他還不願意做任何一種。

And when he engages in the kind of behavior we saw yesterday in the statements he made yesterday, it's not only undermining the right to vote, it's not only undermining democracy, it undermines our national security.

而當他從事我們昨天看到的那種行為，在他昨天的發言中，這不僅破壞了投票權，不僅破壞了民主，還破壞了我們的國家安全。

On Lee, one who benefited from that statement yesterday was Vladimir Putin and also the You know, the other enemies of America all over the world.

關於李，昨天那句話的受益者是普京，還有你知道的，美國在全世界的其他敵人。

So it's time for the president who to be very clear about respecting the will of people.

所以，對於總統來說，他要非常明確的尊重人們的意願。

And he could still pursue legal action with with evidence.

而且他還可以用證據進行法律訴訟。

But he has no evidence.

但他沒有證據。

He just wants toe Thio Thio complain about the election.

他只是想向Thio Thio抱怨選舉。

There was quite a hardcore response from the Joe Biden campaign saying we will remove trespassers from the White House if we need Thio suggesting that what he would be forcibly ejected if there isn't a smooth transfer of power.

喬-拜登競選團隊有相當強硬的迴應說，如果我們需要的話，我們會把侵入白宮的人從白宮移走Thio暗示，如果沒有順利交接權力，他將被強行彈出。

I mean, what do they have in mind?

我的意思是，他們有什麼想法？

Look, all I know is we have a constitution, and at some point in the life of a public official, there comes a time when that individual is either gonna walk alongside with the Constitution and support it, or he's gonna try to stand in the way.

聽著，我只知道我們有一部憲法 在一個公職人員的一生中的某些時刻，有一個人要麼與憲法並肩而行，支持它，要麼他就會試圖站在憲法的道路上。

And in this case, the Constitution will just roll over the president if he continues to engage in this.

而在這種情況下，如果總統繼續搞下去，憲法就會把總統軋死。

I think this conduct and make these statements.

我認為這種行為並作出這些聲明。

He can litigate this if he wants.

他想打官司就打官司吧。

But if if you litigate, you have to have fax and proof and persuasive legal arguments.

但如果如果你打官司，你必須要有傳真和證據，以及有說服力的法律論據。

We'll see if he comes up with that.

我們看看他是否能想出這個辦法。

But right now he's got nothing.

但現在他什麼都沒有。

Especially when it comes to Pennsylvania.

尤其是在賓夕法尼亞州的時候。

Doesn't know the first thing about what happens in Philadelphia or any other place.

對費城或其他地方發生的事情一無所知。

He has no fax toe smear the people of Philadelphia and thereby smear every election officials in the entire United States of America.

他沒有傳真抹黑費城人民，從而抹黑整個美國的所有選舉官員。

Bob Casey, Thank you very much.

鮑勃-凱西，非常感謝你。

Mitt Mulvaney.

米特-馬爾瓦尼

Thanks for joining us a little earlier.

謝謝你早一點加入我們。