No, For me.

不，對我來說。

Yeah, he needs it.

是的，他需要它。

Um, you know, for me, it's like Jack Nicholas is at 18.

嗯，你知道，對我來說，這就像傑克-尼古拉斯是在18。

He's got five.

他有五個。

He's going to masters five time.

他要去大師五次。

Jack Nicholas is one of six times I'm just of the mindset that, you know, when Tiger was playing and when he was rolling university, he was recognized as the greatest anybody had ever seen.

傑克-尼古拉斯是六次之一，我只是的心態，你知道，當老虎是玩，當他是滾動的大學，他被公認為最偉大的任何人見過。

But the drop off was so precipitous.

但是，下降的幅度是如此的陡峭。

I mean, it was so glaring.

我的意思是，它是如此耀眼。

That's where this really really hits home.

這才是真正意義上的真正意義。

You know that the drop off was so bad.

要知道，落差是如此之大。

Now we all understand that it was because of personal reasons and ah, lot of stuff that was going on, not to mention his health.

現在我們都明白了，那是因為個人原因和啊，很多事情，更何況他的健康。

Excuse me?

你說什麼？

Whether it was his knee, it was his back.

不管是他的膝蓋，還是他的背部。

Whatever the case may be, we know that, uh, physically healthy health issues came into play, but for the most part, it was really, really emotional.

不管是什麼情況，我們知道，呃，身體健康的健康問題來發揮作用， 但在大多數情況下，這是真的，真的很情緒化。

It was really what he had endured back in 2000 and eight or so.

這確實是他在2000年和8年左右的時候所承受的。

The embarrassment that came associated with it, You know, family issues that ultimately, uh, were ripped from it.

與之相關的尷尬， 你知道，家庭問題， 最終，呃，被撕裂了。

And how he nose dived and he knows dive in such dramatic fashion.

還有他是如何用鼻子潛水的，他知道以這樣戲劇性的方式潛水。

Uh, that's why we all celebrated so greatly him winning the Masters last year in 2019.

呃，這就是為什麼我們在2019年的時候，大家都非常慶祝他去年贏得了大師賽。

But in the end, I think the drop off was so glaring, so precipitous, that in order for you to be recognized as the greatest ever, you know, I think that when you know you gotta catch Jack Nicholas.

但到最後，我認為下降是如此明顯，如此陡峭， 為了讓你被公認為有史以來最偉大的， 你知道，我認為，當你知道你必須趕上傑克・尼古拉斯。

I mean, that's really what this is all about, and I think that's what this comes down to.

我的意思是，這真的是什麼 這一切，我認為這是什麼 這歸結為。

In my estimation.

據我估計。

He's one master short.

他還差一個高手。

He's four major short overall.

他總體上還差四大。

I think you got to catch Jack Nicklaus before we start talking about you in that fashion.

我想在我們開始用這種方式談論你之前，你應該先抓住傑克-尼克勞斯。

That's just me.

這只是我的想法。

X Well, you're right if you want to take it is a career award like in terms of accomplishments, Even if he gets to 18, he's not Nicholas.

X嗯，你說的對，如果你想拿它是一個職業獎，就像在成就方面，即使他到18歲，他也不是尼古拉斯。

Nicholas is so far ahead of him because it's 18 major wins and don't tell me about that.

尼古拉斯之所以能遙遙領先於他，是因為它是18場大勝，別跟我說這些。

We're talking about majors, really.

我們說的是專業，真的。

We talk about the when the lights are the brightest.

我們說的是燈光最亮的時候。

Not only is there a big lead for Nicholas there, but how many times has Tiger Woods come in second in a major right, because if you place in the top three, that's dominant.

不僅尼古拉斯那裡有很大的領先優勢，老虎伍茲有多少次在大滿貫賽中獲得第二名吧，因為如果你排在前三名，那就是霸氣十足。

You need a little luck to break your way.

你需要一點運氣來打破你的方式。

At times, right, Tiger has 66 to number two finishes, right?

有的時候吧，老虎有66個到第二名的成績吧？

He's come up runner up in the majors six times.

他六次獲得大聯盟亞軍。

You know, many times Nicholas came runner up in Major Stephen a 19 times.

你知道，很多時候尼古拉斯在斯蒂芬少校的比賽中獲得了19次亞軍。

It's more even than for 18.

比18歲的時候還要均勻。

1st place, 19 2nd place When you add up third place, he has 45 top three finishes.

第1名，19名第2名 如果加上第3名，他有45個前三名的成績。

He's almost doubling Tiger Woods there.

他幾乎是老虎伍茲的兩倍。

Think about that for a second.

想一想吧。

It's not just the 18 wins.

不僅僅是18場勝利。

It's the 19 runner ups, 26 runner ups.

是19個亞軍，26個亞軍。

So in terms of overall career accomplishment, Tigers never gonna catch him.

所以從整體的職業生涯成就來看，老虎隊永遠也趕不上他。

He's never going to catch him.

他永遠也抓不住他。

Nicholas has already got him beat, and it's never gonna be close.

尼古拉斯已經把他打敗了，而且永遠不會接近。

But here's the thing.

但事情是這樣的

When we talk about greatest, I don't think we're just adding up titles.

當我們談論最偉大的時候，我不認為我們只是在加標題。

I don't think it's simply addition.

我覺得這不是簡單的加法。

There's awaited formula here, and if a guy has sustained a peak performance more than a year or two right for a substantial period of time, what we're really looking for is the heights they've hit.

這裡面有等待的公式，如果一個人在相當長的時間內持續了一兩年以上的巔峰表現權，我們真正要尋找的是他們所達到的高度。

Tiger hit higher Heights to Nicholas.

老虎對尼古拉斯打出了更高的高度。

He distanced himself from the pack from the field from his contemporaries to a greater extent, won by more strokes than Nicholas did.

他在更大程度上與同時代的選手拉開了距離，比尼古拉斯贏得了更多的杆數。

He was Mawr dominant at his very best.

他在最好的時候，是莫爾的主宰。

And since that very best.

而自從那個非常好。

We're not talking about 18 months.

我們不是在談論18個月。

We're talking about a substantial period of time.

我們說的是一段相當長的時間。

I think that's really what we mean when we say greatest.

我想這才是我們說的最大的意思。

For example, Tom Brady is the goat.

例如，湯姆-布雷迪是山羊。

He has six Stephen A.

他有六個斯蒂芬-A。

Right.

好吧，我知道了

But let's say Patrick Mahomes doesn't playas long, um, or winds up, you know, knock wood with a herniated disc.

但假設Patrick Mahomes不能打很久 或者說他得了腰椎間盤突出症

Which is what Tiger Woods has, by the way, for all the hand wringing about Tiger Woods is psychology and his personal life.

這也是老虎伍茲所擁有的，順便說一下，所有關於老虎伍茲的手足之情都是心理學和他的個人生活。

He had herniated discs.

他有椎間盤突出症。

You can't even move with herniated discs, right?

椎間盤突出的人連動都動不了吧？

Sandy Koufax had had arthritis in his elbow.

桑迪-庫法克斯的肘部曾有關節炎。

Was that Was it sometimes that just injuries take a guy out, but we're talking about peak performance.

是嗎 有時候只是傷病就能讓一個人出局，但我們說的是巔峰時期的表現。

If Mahomes wins three or four, Stephen A and plays for 12 years, we're gonna say he's the goat.

如果馬霍姆贏了三四個，斯蒂芬-A，打了12年，我們會說他是山羊。

At least those of us who really value peak performance.

至少是我們這些真正重視巔峰性能的人。

Stephen A.

Stephen A.

The same reason you call Jordan the goat and not LeBron even though LeBron's gonna wind up playing like twice a long Okay, so Stephen A.

同樣的原因，你叫喬丹的山羊，而不是勒布朗，即使勒布朗的要去風打像兩次長 好吧，所以斯蒂芬A。

Says Tiger needs 18 majors to be the goat.

說老虎需要18個大滿貫才能成為山羊。

Max says he does not.

麥克斯說他沒有。

And I need sunshine on a cloudy day.

而我在陰天需要陽光。

And that is this man right here.

而這個人就在這裡。

Our Gulf analyst, Michael Collins.

我們的海灣分析師，邁克爾-柯林斯。

It is always good to see you, Michael.

見到你總是很高興，邁克爾。

You know, you always bring a smile to my face play tie breaker here for me.

你知道嗎，你總能給我帶來笑容 在這裡為我打平手。

Does Tiger need 18 to be the goat in your sport of golf?

老虎在你的高爾夫運動中需要18歲才能成為山羊嗎？

You know, most of the time me and Stephen A.

你知道，大多數時候我和Stephen A.

Smith are on the same side, But this time, even though it's killing me to have to say this, Max Kellerman is right.

史密斯是站在同一陣營的 但這一次 儘管我不得不這麼說 但Max Kellerman是對的

Tiger doesn't need 18 majors to be the goat.

老虎不需要18個大滿貫就能成為山羊。

I know, man.

我知道，夥計。

Just don't don't pull a hammy there congratulating yourself, Max, but I'm just saying to it, Here's why Tiger doesn't need 18 to be the goat Jack.

別在那裡得意忘形，麥克斯，但我只是對它說，這就是為什麼老虎不需要18歲就能成為山羊傑克。

Nicolas took the game toe one level and raised the bar.

尼古拉斯把遊戲提升到了一個層次，並提高了標準。

You have to think about Jack's competition.

你得想想傑克的競爭對手。

Even Jack himself said the competition that he played against wasn't nearly systematically as great as what Tiger played.

就連傑克自己也說，他所打的比賽，在系統上還不如老虎打的好。

Now, Tiger also has played now against two generations.

現在，老虎也已經打出了現在對兩代人。

And, oh yeah, this last major that he one where he's defending champ today.

還有，哦，對了，最後一個大滿貫，他今天是衛冕冠軍。

Think about all the youngsters that he had to beat Justin that Masters.

想想所有的年輕人，他不得不擊敗賈斯汀那個大師賽。

Think about globally what Tiger Woods did for the game of golf.

在全球範圍內思考一下泰格-伍茲為高爾夫運動所做的事情。

Yes, Jack was an ambassador and did a lot for golf, too.

是的，傑克是一個大使，也為高爾夫做了很多事情。

But in order to be the goat, you got to do more than just on the golf course.

但為了成為山羊，你得做的不僅僅是在高爾夫球場上。

It's what was your effect on the sport itself?

是你對這項運動本身的影響是什麼？

Off the golf course.

在高爾夫球場外。

Think about how many little kids watch Jack Nicholas win in 1986 and then decided I'm gonna go play golf.

想想有多少小孩子在1986年看傑克-尼古拉斯獲勝，然後決定我要去打高爾夫。

You think it's the same amount that watched Tiger win in 1997 and thought to themselves, I'm gonna go play golf, I can tell you right now.

你認為這是相同的數量，看著老虎在1997年的勝利，心想，我要去打高爾夫，我現在就可以告訴你。

There's probably 80% of the young kids under 30 years old on the PGA Tour right now that will tell you specifically they started playing golf because of Tiger Woods.

現在PGA巡迴賽上可能有80%的30歲以下的年輕孩子會特別告訴你，他們是因為老虎伍茲才開始打高爾夫的。

Jack Nicholas can't say that, and even though I love Jack to death, he might be the goat in small cap in small letters.

傑克-尼古拉斯不能這麼說，雖然我愛傑克愛得要死，但他可能是小字輩的小帽羊。

Tigers the goat in all caps, period end of story, and it's got nothing to do with the amount of majors that he's one.

老虎隊這隻大寫的山羊，句號結束，這和他的主力數量沒有關係，他是一個。

Well, listen, I don't mind standing down to that argument, particularly when you bring into into the equation uh, the effect that he's had on the average Joe out there who never would have aspired to play golf.

好吧，聽著，我不介意站在這個論點上，特別是當你把他對普通人的影響帶入方程時，呃，他對普通人的影響，他們從來沒有想過要打高爾夫。

Never thought about playing golf.

從來沒有想過要打高爾夫。

Never thought that they could excel it.

沒想到，他們能出色地完成任務。

Golf, Um, and the doors that he's opened for so many people because of the profound impact he's had from a societal perspective, if that's a part of the equation, I stand down.

高爾夫，嗯，還有他為很多人打開的大門，因為他從社會角度產生了深遠的影響，如果這也是等式的一部分，我退下。