A key moment today.

今天的一個關鍵時刻。

More than 50,000 official deaths?

官方死亡5萬多人？

Yes.

是的，我知道

So that very grim milestone, as you say today, Kirsty.

就像你說的那樣，今天是一個非常嚴峻的里程碑，Kirsty。

And if we look at this graphic, we can now see that the UK has become the first European country to record more than 50,000 deaths.

而如果我們看這張圖，我們現在可以看到，英國已經成為歐洲第一個死亡人數超過5萬人的國家。

There you are 50,365.

有你50,365。

And this is according to the most widely accepted definition, which is death within 28 days off a positive test on what took us over the line.

而這是根據最廣為接受的定義，這是在28天內死亡的陽性測試，是什麼讓我們超過了線。

There were 595 deaths reported in the last 24 hour period.

在過去的24小時內，據報告有595人死亡。

Now, how do these figures compare with other countries around the world?

現在，這些數字與世界其他國家相比如何？

So if we look at this graph, we can see that in terms of actual death, the U.

所以如果我們看這張圖，我們可以看到，從實際死亡人數來看，美國。

K is there it is.

K是有它。

It's in fifth place in the world with, as we said, the highest numbers in Europe.

它在世界排名第五，我們說過，歐洲的數字最高。

It's important to say that countries do not record their numbers in the same way, so you cannot make exact comparisons.

必須要說的是，各國記錄數字的方式不一樣，所以不能進行精確的比較。

But let's look at another graphic on what this does is that this looks at deaths on the most widely accepted measurement that is the number of deaths per 100,000 people, 100,000 population on on that.

但讓我們看看另一個圖形，這個做的是，這個看的是最廣泛接受的衡量標準的死亡人數，就是每10萬人的死亡人數，10萬人口就這個。

The UK comes in some way behind Spain, but just in front off the United States.

英國在某種程度上落後於西班牙，但僅僅是在美國的前面。

Now on that 50,000 milestone, this is what Boris Johnson had to say.

現在，在這5萬個里程碑上，鮑里斯-約翰遜是這樣說的。

Every every death is a tragedy.

每一個人的死亡都是一個悲劇。

We mourn everybody who's gone andare feelings with their families on friends as well.

我們哀悼每一個逝去的人，並與他們的家人和朋友的感情。

Um, it is, ah, global pandemic, whose effects whose treatments whose implications for the economy have you know, alot those have bean becoming clearer and clearer is the months have gone on.

嗯，這是，啊，全球流行病，其影響，其治療方法，其對經濟的影響，你知道，很多這些都已經變得越來越清晰，是幾個月過去了。

I do think that we've got now to a different phase in the way that way.

我確實認為，我們現在已經到了一個不同的階段，在這種方式。

Treat it, Andi, After the these tough water measures which I hope people will stick to really, really originally, as far a zit, possibly can, uh, we're very much hoping that two things will start to come to our aid number one.

治療它，安迪，在這些強硬的水措施之後，我希望人們會堅持真正的，真正的最初，只要一個痘痘，可能可以，呃，我們非常希望有兩件事情會開始來幫助我們第一。

The mass testing that kind.

大規模測試那種。

I just described the rapid turnaround testing on then.

我剛才介紹了一下當時的快速週轉測試。

The other thing is now the prospect, the realistic prospect of a vaccine.

另外就是現在的前景，疫苗的現實前景。

So you have a kind of, as it were to boxing gloves toe pummel the the disease in the weeks and months that followed the prime minister well.

所以，你有一種，就像拳擊手套腳趾猛擊疾病在幾周和幾個月後，總理好。

Later in the program, we were discussing the resignation off Boris Johnson's director of communications, Lee Cain, with our political panel.

節目稍後，我們在討論鮑里斯-約翰遜的通訊主管李-凱恩辭職一事，與我們的政治小組討論。

But first, let's look at the UK s covert response and greater detail.

但首先，讓我們來看看英國的祕密反應和更多細節。

Joining me is the former government scientific adviser and current member of Sage Professor Some art Walpert on from Sheffield, Dr Daniel Bride and the vice dean of the faculty of Intensive Care Medicine.

和我一起的還有前政府科學顧問、現任Sage教授Some Art Walpert從謝菲爾德趕來的Daniel Bride博士和重症監護醫學系副主任。

Daniel treats patients with covered in the intensive care unit on.

丹尼爾在重症監護室治療的病人，在。

We also have Jamie Brown, whose father, Tony Brown, died in covered 19 during the first lock down in Colchester.

我們還有傑米-布朗，他的父親，託尼-布朗，在科爾切斯特的第一次封鎖期間，死於覆蓋的19。

Now we did ask the government to speak, but it declined to talk to us tonight.

現在我們確實要求政府發言，但它拒絕與我們今晚交談。

A good evening to you all, Jamie Brown.

大家晚上好，傑米-布朗。

If I can begin with you, we talk about a figure of 50 0 plus.

如果我可以從你開始說起，我們談的是50多歲的數字。

But of course, every life lost is devastating for a family.

但當然，每一個生命的逝去對一個家庭來說都是毀滅性的。

And I wonder if you could tell us what happened to your dad.

我想知道你能不能告訴我們你爸爸發生了什麼事。

Yeah, Thanks.

是的，謝謝。

Um, yes.

嗯，是的。

And what has Tony Brown passed away in the 29th of March 65?

而託尼-布朗在65年3月29日逝世，他有什麼？

I must hate things.

我一定很討厭的東西。

Qualification?

資格？

No underlying health conditions.

沒有潛在的健康狀況。

We think that contract to co vid uh, probably on the 12th of March he was living the east coast of Essex were traveling up to London once a week for work.

我們認為，合同的co vid呃，可能在3月12日，他住在埃塞克斯的東海岸，每週一次前往倫敦工作。

Hey, travel up on the train on Thursday took the tube before the first lock down was called a few days later.

嘿，週四乘火車上去旅行，在幾天後第一次鎖車前就坐上了地鐵。

Fell ill.

病倒了。

Was bedridden a few days after that, When it wasn't getting better, he called 111 They told him toe, take paracetamol to stay in bed because this is a mild illness on.

臥床幾天後，當它沒有得到更好的，他打電話給111，他們告訴他的腳趾，採取撲熱息痛留在床上，因為這是一個輕微的疾病上。

He recover the messaging at the time, then was very much their home.

他恢復了當時的消息，然後是很他們家。

Protect the NHS.

保護NHS。

So Dad was adamant.

所以爸爸很堅決。

That's what he's going to do.

這就是他要做的。

He stayed home.

他留在家裡。

He kept taking paracetamol.

他一直在服用撲熱息痛。

He thought he's getting better.

他以為自己的病情好轉了。

His fever seemed to be getting reduced.

他的燒似乎越來越少了。

The temperature was down.

溫度下降了。

A few days later, it was back up again.

幾天後，又恢復了。

He had a knee evening of dizziness, of struggling in short of breath, struggling to breathe.

他有一個膝晚的眩暈，在氣短中掙扎，在呼吸中掙扎。

Next morning, you've been nauseous in the night, called 11 again, got an ambulance.

第二天早上，你晚上一直噁心，又打了11，叫了救護車。

You managed to get downstairs and needed took the ambulance to coach the General Andre within within five minutes of arriving at the hospital After all that he he essentially run out of oxygen in his heart stopped.

你設法下樓，需要在到達醫院的5分鐘內乘救護車去教導安德烈將軍，在所有這些之後，他基本上已經耗盡了他心臟裡的氧氣。

Andi died dreadful, very sorry for your loss.

安迪死得很慘，對你的損失感到很遺憾。

And I wonder, was it very important to him to protect the NHS?

我想知道，保護NHS對他是否非常重要？

Was that something that he felt that he had to do personally because he could have gone in earlier?

那是他覺得自己必須親力親為的事情，因為他可以早點進去嗎？

Couldn t It's very much the idea that we were being told that unless you were one of these high risk groups, Unless you're one of these high risk groups, you you should be able to fight.

我們被告知，除非你是這些高危人群中的一員，否則你應該能夠戰鬥。

It offers almost an expectation on duty that we're all trying Thio do our best to stay away from overloading and overwhelming the health service.

它提供了幾乎是一種期望值，我們都在努力Thio盡力遠離超負荷和壓倒性的衛生服務。

Let me let me put that.

讓我讓我把。

Let me put that sort in trouble and put that to Danielle Bright in your experience in I see is that something that families often say to you that people were trying to do their best and not come in good evening closely.

讓我把那種麻煩，把那丹妮爾-布萊特在你的經驗，在我看到的是，東西，家庭經常對你說，人們試圖儘自己最大的努力，而不是來在晚上好密切。

And I just also like to offer my condolences to Jamie.

我也想向傑米表示哀悼。

His story very powerfully illustrates some of the issues that we do come across an intensive care both in terms of patients and their relatives.

他的故事非常有力地說明了我們在重症監護中遇到的一些問題，包括病人和他們的親屬。

Perhaps underestimating the seriousness of co Vered, there might be a perception amongst the public that that co vid is not a serious a zit might be perceived.

也許是低估了co Vered的嚴重性，在公眾中可能有一種看法，即co vid不是一個嚴重的痘痘可能被認為。

But for a small number of people, it is a very serious, life threatening disease.

但是對於少部分人來說，這是一種非常嚴重的、威脅生命的疾病。

On DSO, the public health messaging around.

在DSO上，各地的公共衛生資訊。

Keeping the community spread of covert down is really important because it does have serious consequences with some people.

把社區傳播的隱蔽性壓下去真的很重要，因為它確實會對一些人造成嚴重的後果。

And what has been your overriding experience of covert in I.

而你在I中隱蔽的首要經驗是什麼。

C.

C.

U where you are treating desperately ill patients?

你在哪裡治療絕望的病人？

Um, I think over the course of the year, we have had significant progress in terms of the treatments that we can give to people in intensive care on.

嗯，我認為在這一年的過程中，我們有顯著的進步 在治療方面，我們可以給人們在重症監護。

We have made significant inroads into improving survival from Kovar, but it is still a significantly important disease on.

我們在改善科瓦的存活率方面取得了重大進展，但它仍然是一種重要的疾病，在。

Unfortunately, a number of people do still not survive that when they come to intensive care with covered on managing, their end of life care is really important on that can be difficult for their family and relatives who are homos well, so it's changed a great deal over the course of the year, but there are still some things that are fundamentally important and still remain, which is is making sure that people at the end of their lives are treated well.

不幸的是，一些人仍然不生存，當他們來到重症監護與覆蓋上管理，他們的生命末期的護理是真的很重要上，可以是困難的他們的家人和親戚誰是同性戀者好，所以它改變了很多在這一年的過程中，但仍有一些事情是根本上重要的，仍然保持，這是確保人們在他們的生命的盡頭是治療好。

Um, Dr will port what will make a difference?

嗯，博士會移植什麼會有不同？

Because the our rate is persistently over one, and it's between 1.1 I understand.

因為我們的率持續超過1，而且是在1.1之間，我理解。

And 1.3.

還有1.3.

What is the key thing that needs to be done?

需要做的關鍵事情是什麼？

Well at the moment, the key thing that needs to be done is social distancing.

嗯，目前，最關鍵的是需要做的是社會疏導。

It's actually making it difficult for the virus to jump from one person to another.

這實際上是讓病毒很難從一個人身上跳到另一個人身上。

That is the number.

就是這個數字。

One thing on every one of these deaths is a tragedy not only for the individual but for their families.

每一個人的死亡都有一件事，不僅是個人的悲劇，也是他們家庭的悲劇。

And 1000 people have been announced, having died in the last 24 hours for 48 hours.

並宣佈有1000人，在過去24小時內死亡48小時。

Eso It's really important going forward.

埃索這真的很重要，今後。

We continue to maintain our visions.

我們繼續保持我們的願景。

Now we maintain social distance.

現在我們保持著社會距離。

But I wonder because we heard Michael Goof saying in response to a question.

但我想知道，因為我們聽到邁克爾-古夫在回答一個問題時說。

Will the lock down in England continue after the a lot of time beyond the 2nd December?

在12月2日之後的很多時間裡，英國的鎖定會繼續嗎？

He said, Possibly it might have to then we have Boris Johnson thing adamantly it will not continue.

他說，可能它可能必須那麼我們有鮑里斯-約翰遜的事情堅決不會繼續。

What will govern those?

這些將由什麼來管理？

What should govern that decision?

這一決定應遵循什麼原則？

What should govern The decision is the rate of new cases at the end of the day, because whilst the reproduction number is greater than one, in other words, 100 people affect, in fact, another 100 or a bit Maura's It is at the moment, then the rates will remain high Onda.

什麼應該管理 該決定是新的案件在一天結束時，因為雖然繁殖數量大於一個，換句話說，100人的影響，事實上，另一個100或有點Maura的它是在這一刻，然後率將保持高Onda。

The challenge at the moment is that the numbers of cases are very high, particularly in in the north, the Northeast, the Midlands and the number of patients in hospitals is going up.

目前面臨的挑戰是病例數量非常多，尤其是在北方、東北、中部地區，醫院的病人數量也在增加。

And it's it's important because people look at the rest of country and say we don't need to do as much.

這很重要，因為人們看著其他國家的人說，我們不需要做這麼多。

But the cases of rising even faster on I wonder if Sage is going to be convened to discuss this very issue.

但是，在上漲得更快的情況下，不知道是否要召開耆英會來討論這個問題。

Because, you know, there is obviously disagreement on a different issues in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England and different decisions.

因為，你知道，在蘇格蘭、威爾士、北愛爾蘭和英格蘭，顯然在不同的問題上存在著分歧，也存在著不同的決定。

But from SAGES point of view, is it something that you think that you should take part in a discussion is toe when this lock down should end the job of SAGES to provide the evidence through Patrick Balance and Chris Witty to ministers to show them the numbers on and say it meets at least once a week and recently a little bit more.

但從SAGES的觀點來看，你認為你應該參加討論的東西是腳趾，當這種鎖定應該結束SAGES的工作，通過Patrick Balance和Chris Witty向部長們提供證據，向他們展示數字，並說它每週至少會見一次，最近有點多。

So The answer is our job is to provide the evidence.

所以答案是我們的工作是提供證據。

It's the policymakers that need to take the decisions, but the numbers are becoming more obvious.

需要做決定的是政策制定者，但數字正變得越來越明顯。

And, for example, in Leeds we've seen that they've got Mawr patients in hospital at the moment that they had at the height of the pandemic in April.

而且，舉例來說，在利茲，我們已經看到，他們在醫院裡的毛氏病人，在4月疫情最嚴重的時候，他們已經有了。

I mean, I heard you saying that Actually, this virus is no respecter of time or place.

我是說，我聽你說，其實這個病毒是不分時間地點的。

And so there for coming back to you, Jamie Brown on the question of Obviously the festive season is going to a very different season for you this year.

所以有為回來給你，傑米-布朗的問題，很明顯，今年的節日期間對你來說是一個非常不同的季節。

But I wonder if you think that people should just forgo it for one year if it makes a difference to that rate of infection.

但我不知道你是否認為人們應該放棄一年，如果它對該感染率有所影響。

Yeah, absolutely.

是的，絕對的。

I mean, anyone who has lost anyone is gonna know that frankly, this that the horrible stories when we get this wrong on Christmas coming off time, everyone has lost someone.

我的意思是，任何人誰失去了任何人是要去知道，坦率地說，這，可怕的故事，當我們得到這個錯誤的聖誕節來臨之際，每個人都失去了一個人。

Andi Thio risk.

安迪-提奧風險。

Passing it on even further is really horrible.

再傳下去，真的很可怕。

I mean, after losing.

我的意思是，在失去之後。

With that, I joined Kobe 19 Brief families for justice and we've been calling for an independent statutory inquiry into the handling of this pandemic because we shouldn't be in this predicament now.

有了這一點，我加入了科比19簡介家庭的正義，我們一直呼籲對這一流行病的處理進行獨立的法定調查，因為我們現在不應該陷入這種困境。

We went through this once before on the most horrible thing to watch A little bit involving again is exactly how predictable the numbers are.

我們之前在最恐怖的事情上經歷過一次，看了一下又涉及到正是數字的可預測性。

We knew exactly where we were going.

我們清楚地知道我們要去哪裡。

Sage new.

聖人新。

They've won the government.

他們已經贏得了政府。

And yet, once again, total inaction thousands and thousands more people are dying.

然而，再一次，總的不作為，成千上萬的人正在死去。

It's completely way should sacrifice the festive season if we have to.

這完全是應該犧牲節日的方式，如果我們不得不這樣做。

We have to do everything we can to keep the numbers down.

我們必須盡一切可能把數字壓低。

There's no doubt about that.

這一點毋庸置疑。

Can I just come back to you, Dr Brian, on the question off excess deaths and treatment, in fact.

布萊恩醫生，我可以回到你的問題上嗎？ 事實上，關於過量死亡和治療的問題。

And I see you, we already know that some cancer treatments are being delayed again in different parts of the country.

而我看到你，我們已經知道，一些癌症的治療在全國各地又被延後了。

You know, the NHS protect the NHS.

你知道，NHS保護NHS。

What will that actually really mean?

這實際上將真正意味著什麼？

Will it mean protect the NHS by delaying absolutely non urgent operations on delaying urgent treatment that actually the non cover death?

它將意味著保護NHS通過延遲絕對非緊急手術延遲緊急治療，實際上非覆蓋死亡？

We're going to see more non cover deaths in the next six months.

在接下來的6個月裡，我們會看到更多的非保險死亡。

Well, certainly in the first wave, we didn't get a many patients through hospital with other conditions apart from Kobe, as we expected.

好吧，當然在第一波中，我們並沒有像我們預期的那樣，除了科比之外，有很多其他情況的病人通過醫院。

On one of the things that we are very determined to do for a long as we possibly can over the winter is to continue to make sure the patients come to intensive care who who have a need for intensive care, whether that's co vered related or not covert related.

我們下定決心在冬季儘可能長的時間裡做的事情之一就是繼續確保病人來到重症監護室，他們需要重症監護，無論是否與合作相關，是否與祕密相關。

Now, obviously the most important factor in that is the amount of co Vered that that that is in the community and therefore the people coming into hospital.

現在，很明顯，最重要的因素是，在社區中的合作量，是以，人們進入醫院。

If we can keep covert down, we can keep all the other activity going, which is what we would hope wanted to do.

如果我們能夠保持祕密，我們就可以保持所有其他活動的進行，這也是我們希望想要做的。

Thank you all very much for joining me.

非常感謝大家的加入。