working for and with Republicans.

為共和黨人工作並與之合作。

And I'm curious, because I'm trying to look forward now,

我很好奇，因為我現在正努力向前看。

the specifics of what happens tonight,

今晚發生的具體內容。

or tomorrow, in the next few days,

或明天，在未來幾天。

we can't say right now.

我們現在還不能說。

We think we know what's gonna happen.

我們認為我們知道會發生什麼。

But let's look farther forward.

但讓我們把眼光放得更遠。

What does the Republican Party do now?

共和黨現在是幹什麼的？

Because there are a lot of people like myself,

因為像我這樣的人很多。

I'll be honest with you,

我跟你說實話。

I must have said this a million times,

我一定是說了無數遍了。

I don't get as angry at Donald Trump

我對唐納德-特朗普沒有那麼生氣。

because I look at him as,

因為我把他看成。

I think a lot of people would agree,

我想很多人都會同意。

a malignant narcissist,

惡性自戀者

is the term which is used a lot.

是用得比較多的名詞。

He's someone who has a condition,

他是一個有條件的人。

probably needs to be treated.

可能需要治療。

The people I reserve my true anger for

我真正的憤怒是留給那些人的

are the enablers within the Republican Party

是共和黨內的助紂為虐者。

who have just gone along

剛走的人

and they've all been in lockstep.

而且他們都是步調一致的。

And I'm sort of a history buff.

而且我也算是個歷史愛好者。

I'm hard-pressed to think of another president

我很難想象還有哪位總統能做到這一點

that had the total zombie-like control

的殭屍一樣的控制

of his party Totally agree.

他黨的完全同意。

like Donald Trump.

像唐納德-特朗普。

No one breaks ranks.

沒有人打破等級。

They're all terrified of him.

他們都怕他。

So what happens?

那麼會發生什麼？

How does the Republican Party move forward from this point?

共和黨如何從這一點出發？

Or do they not?

還是沒有？

Is it going to be still Trump's party?

它要還是特朗普的黨嗎？

Look, this is my private pain, usually.

你看，這是我的私人痛苦，通常。

I mean, this party that justifiably gave the Bush family,

我是說，這個理直氣壯給布什家族的黨。

and you and I have talked about this before,

你和我之前也談過這個問題。

who I worked for, such a hard time.

我為誰工作，這樣的困難時期。

Never hesitated to criticize them,

從不猶豫地責備他們。

and that was healthy.

而這是健康的。

I'm not complaining about that.

我不是在抱怨這個。

I'm just saying I know the Republican Party

我只是說我瞭解共和黨的情況

is capable of saying screw you

有本事說你去死

to a Republican president 'cause I saw it.

共和黨總統，因為我看到了。

To see them be so subservient in the face of a man

看到他們在男人面前如此順從的樣子

who doesn't believe in anything they believe in.

誰不相信他們相信的東西。

And you can argue that the base of the party's

而你可以說，黨的基礎的

more where Trump is on foreign policy and trade.

更多的是特朗普在外交政策和貿易上的位置。

That might be true.

這可能是真的。

But the Republican elected officials are not.

但共和黨的民選官員卻不是這樣。

They believe the stuff that former Republicans

他們相信前共和黨人的東西

and former Republican nominees used to believe in.

和前共和黨提名人曾經相信。

So to have sort of capitulated on their own ideology,

所以在自己的意識形態上也算是屈服了。

and then to have capitulated on their own souls,

然後對自己的靈魂進行了投降。

is, to me, the most dangerous dynamic

在我看來，這是最危險的動態

in the era of Trump.

在特朗普時代，。

Because what's happening right now

因為現在的情況是

is that people around Trump

是特朗普身邊的人

are saying it's over.

都說結束了。

It's not clear to me that anyone has walked in

我不清楚是否有人走進過

and told him that.

並告訴他，。

He may have figured it out 'cause he watches...

他可能已經發現了，因為他看... ...

He's an incessant consumer of cable news.

他是有線電視新聞的不間斷消費者。

And I think even on Fox News,

我想甚至在福克斯新聞上。

while some of the folks in the evenings,

而一些人在晚上。

they're cheering these really sort of illogical

他們正在歡呼這些真正的排序不合邏輯的

and non-evened formed law suits.

和非偶數形成的法律訴訟。

I mean in one state they want the vote to keep going.

我的意思是，在一個州，他們希望投票繼續進行。

In another, they want it to stop.

在另一個，他們希望它停止。

In another, they want ballots stuck and not.

在另一個，他們希望選票被卡住，而不是。

I mean, you know, they don't want one thing

我的意思是，你知道，他們不希望一件事。

across the country.

全國各地。

So the fact that so many people allow him

所以事實上，這麼多人允許他

to really desecrate the presidency

真正褻瀆總統職位

is, to me, the irreparable piece of his tenure,

在我看來，是他任期內無法彌補的一塊。

which looks like it'll only be four years.

這看起來像它只會是四年。

But I don't think there is something on the other side.

但我不認為對方有什麼。

It's, you know, how do you build that back?

這是，你知道，你怎麼建立回來？

If you're subservient--

如果你順從 --

You mean not something on the other side

你的意思是，不是另一邊的東西

for the Republicans?

共和黨人的？

Because that's my curiosity--

因為那是我的好奇心 --

For these Republicans.

對於這些共和黨人來說。

Right.

好吧，我知道了

If you're, and I have friends,

如果你是，我有朋友。

people I went to college with

同學

who we didn't agree on...

我們不同意誰... ...

They're smart, they're very intelligent, well-read people

他們很聰明，他們很聰明，很會讀書的人

who really love their country.

誰真正熱愛自己的國家。

Who, we didn't always see eye to eye

誰，我們並不總是對視的

because they would vote Republican,

因為他們會投共和黨的票。

I would vote Democrat.

我會投民主黨的票。

But we would have long conversations

但我們會有很長的對話

and we shared a lot of values.

我們有很多共同的價值觀。

And now I think we've gotten to the point

現在我想我們已經到了這個地步了

where those people, those friends of mine,

那些人在哪裡，我的那些朋友，

have wanted no part of Trump or Trumpism.

一直不想參與特朗普或特朗普主義。

So you wonder, how does the Republican Party,

所以你想知道，共和黨怎麼。

how does it encapsulate,

它是如何封裝的。

of how can it be big enough, a big tent,

的，怎麼能夠大，一個大帳篷。

that holds reasonable people,

握有理智的人。

and people that believe in their hearts

和心中有信仰的人

that Joe Biden is a pedophile

喬-拜登是戀童癖

and drinks the blood of children in Satanic rituals?

並在撒旦儀式中喝下孩子的血？

How do you do that?

你是怎麼做到的？

I don't know that there's a party there.

我不知道那裡有一個黨。

Well, look, that's a QAnon conspiracy.

嗯，你看，這是一個QAnon的陰謀。

I didn't know what QAnon was until very recently.

我直到最近才知道QAnon是什麼。

I missed pronounced them.

我錯過了他們的發音。

I saw them on my teleprompter and called them like Quay-non.

我在提詞器上看到他們，就像奎農一樣叫他們。

Qua-non. (laughing)

Qua -non。（笑）

Like Quaalude.

就像Quaalude。

Look, I don't think...

你看，我不認為... ...

It's oil and water, right?

是油和水吧？

QAnon is a toxin, and I don't think you can say

QAnon是一種毒素，我不認為你可以說：

like, oh, I'll just swim with them.

像，哦，我就和他們一起游泳。

So it is, they are mutually exclusive.

原來如此，它們是相互排斥的。

And what the party has become

而黨已經變成了什麼

doesn't have room for reasonable people.

沒有合理的人的空間。

I think the smart line of questioning that you're pursuing

我認為你所追問的問題很聰明

is at this point, unknowable.

在這一點上，是不可知的。

Because I think that winning campaigns

因為我認為勝利的運動

always over read their mandate.

總是過度解讀他們的任務。

And Senate Republicans will think they won this

而參議院的共和黨人會認為他們贏得了這一切

because they didn't lose as many seats as they thought.

因為他們失去的席位沒有想象中那麼多。

And even if Donald Trump is rejected,

而且即使唐納德-特朗普被拒絕。

I think they will misread what might've been

我想他們會誤讀可能是

a lot of anxiety about shutdowns

憂心忡忡

and about maybe over...

和大約也許過...

I think Republicans have been conditioned to believe

我想共和黨人已經習慣於相信：

that shutdowns and lock downs

關機和鎖機

and public health safety measures

和公共衛生安全措施

are against the interest of our economic security.

有損我國經濟安全的利益。

And I think that is not what Joe Biden

我想這不是喬-拜登的風格。

has been saying,

一直在說。

but I think that's where that sort of toxic mix

但我認為，這就是那種有毒的混合

of disinformation and misinformation

虛假資訊和誤導性資訊的影響

and painting all Democrats as Socialists

並把所有民主黨人都描繪成社會主義者

will make it difficult for him to lead the whole country.

將使他難以上司整個國家。

Because I think half the country truly thinks

因為我覺得全國有一半的人真的認為

he want to shut people down and leave them in their homes.

他想把人們關起來，讓他們呆在家裡。

That is not even the public health approach.

這甚至不是公共衛生的方法。

But I think that until you have a party

但我認為，直到你有一個黨

that understands that that dynamic,

該明白，該動態。

worried about the economy, worried about the shutdowns,

擔心經濟，擔心停工。

had more to do with Republicans looking healthier

更多的是與共和黨人看起來更健康有關。

on Tuesday night in some of these Senate races

週二晚上，在這些參議院的一些比賽中。

than even a lot of Republicans thought they might,

比很多共和黨人想的都要好。

than any sort of mandate for Trump or Trumpism

比起對特朗普或特朗普主義的任何形式的授權來說。

or what they are doing.

或他們正在做什麼。

I think they will continue down this path.

我想他們會繼續走這條路。

And I think flirting with QAnon

而且我覺得和QAnon調調情吧

and playing footsie with white supremacists

和白人至上主義者玩弄於股掌之間。

is a dead end road.

是一條死路。

It's a cul-de-sac.

這是一個死衚衕。

There is no what's the GOP on the other side?

沒有什麼GOP的另一面是什麼？

It has to, you know, sort of collapse,

它必須，你知道，排序的崩潰。

and it might in the next cycle,

而且在下一個週期可能會。

the cycle after that.

之後的循環。

And then, you know, maybe something thoughtful

然後，你知道，也許一些周到的東西

comes up on the other side.

在另一邊出現了。

Maybe it doesn't.

也許沒有

Maybe we have this sort of corrupt path

也許我們有這種腐敗的途徑

of the political, you know, machinery,

的政治，你知道，機器。

and maybe that's what Democrats have to figure out

也許這就是民主黨人必須要弄清楚的問題

how to contend with.

如何應對。

I don't see clearly what the future is

我看不清楚未來是什麼？

for the two party system.

為兩黨制。