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  • You spent many years, the formative part of your career,

    你花了很多年的時間,你職業生涯的形成期。

  • working for and with Republicans.

    為共和黨人工作並與之合作。

  • And I'm curious, because I'm trying to look forward now,

    我很好奇,因為我現在正努力向前看。

  • the specifics of what happens tonight,

    今晚發生的具體內容。

  • or tomorrow, in the next few days,

    或明天,在未來幾天。

  • we can't say right now.

    我們現在還不能說。

  • We think we know what's gonna happen.

    我們認為我們知道會發生什麼。

  • But let's look farther forward.

    但讓我們把眼光放得更遠。

  • What does the Republican Party do now?

    共和黨現在是幹什麼的?

  • Because there are a lot of people like myself,

    因為像我這樣的人很多。

  • I'll be honest with you,

    我跟你說實話。

  • I must have said this a million times,

    我一定是說了無數遍了。

  • I don't get as angry at Donald Trump

    我對唐納德-特朗普沒有那麼生氣。

  • because I look at him as,

    因為我把他看成。

  • I think a lot of people would agree,

    我想很多人都會同意。

  • a malignant narcissist,

    惡性自戀者

  • is the term which is used a lot.

    是用得比較多的名詞。

  • He's someone who has a condition,

    他是一個有條件的人。

  • probably needs to be treated.

    可能需要治療。

  • The people I reserve my true anger for

    我真正的憤怒是留給那些人的

  • are the enablers within the Republican Party

    是共和黨內的助紂為虐者。

  • who have just gone along

    剛走的人

  • and they've all been in lockstep.

    而且他們都是步調一致的。

  • And I'm sort of a history buff.

    而且我也算是個歷史愛好者。

  • I'm hard-pressed to think of another president

    我很難想象還有哪位總統能做到這一點

  • that had the total zombie-like control

    的殭屍一樣的控制

  • of his party Totally agree.

    他黨的完全同意。

  • like Donald Trump.

    像唐納德-特朗普。

  • No one breaks ranks.

    沒有人打破等級。

  • They're all terrified of him.

    他們都怕他。

  • So what happens?

    那麼會發生什麼?

  • How does the Republican Party move forward from this point?

    共和黨如何從這一點出發?

  • Or do they not?

    還是沒有?

  • Is it going to be still Trump's party?

    它要還是特朗普的黨嗎?

  • Look, this is my private pain, usually.

    你看,這是我的私人痛苦,通常。

  • I mean, this party that justifiably gave the Bush family,

    我是說,這個理直氣壯給布什家族的黨。

  • and you and I have talked about this before,

    你和我之前也談過這個問題。

  • who I worked for, such a hard time.

    我為誰工作,這樣的困難時期。

  • Never hesitated to criticize them,

    從不猶豫地責備他們。

  • and that was healthy.

    而這是健康的。

  • I'm not complaining about that.

    我不是在抱怨這個。

  • I'm just saying I know the Republican Party

    我只是說我瞭解共和黨的情況

  • is capable of saying screw you

    有本事說你去死

  • to a Republican president 'cause I saw it.

    共和黨總統,因為我看到了。

  • To see them be so subservient in the face of a man

    看到他們在男人面前如此順從的樣子

  • who doesn't believe in anything they believe in.

    誰不相信他們相信的東西。

  • And you can argue that the base of the party's

    而你可以說,黨的基礎的

  • more where Trump is on foreign policy and trade.

    更多的是特朗普在外交政策和貿易上的位置。

  • That might be true.

    這可能是真的。

  • But the Republican elected officials are not.

    但共和黨的民選官員卻不是這樣。

  • They believe the stuff that former Republicans

    他們相信前共和黨人的東西

  • and former Republican nominees used to believe in.

    和前共和黨提名人曾經相信。

  • So to have sort of capitulated on their own ideology,

    所以在自己的意識形態上也算是屈服了。

  • and then to have capitulated on their own souls,

    然後對自己的靈魂進行了投降。

  • is, to me, the most dangerous dynamic

    在我看來,這是最危險的動態

  • in the era of Trump.

    在特朗普時代,。

  • Because what's happening right now

    因為現在的情況是

  • is that people around Trump

    是特朗普身邊的人

  • are saying it's over.

    都說結束了。

  • It's not clear to me that anyone has walked in

    我不清楚是否有人走進過

  • and told him that.

    並告訴他,。

  • He may have figured it out 'cause he watches...

    他可能已經發現了,因為他看... ...

  • He's an incessant consumer of cable news.

    他是有線電視新聞的不間斷消費者。

  • And I think even on Fox News,

    我想甚至在福克斯新聞上。

  • while some of the folks in the evenings,

    而一些人在晚上。

  • they're cheering these really sort of illogical

    他們正在歡呼這些真正的排序不合邏輯的

  • and non-evened formed law suits.

    和非偶數形成的法律訴訟。

  • I mean in one state they want the vote to keep going.

    我的意思是,在一個州,他們希望投票繼續進行。

  • In another, they want it to stop.

    在另一個,他們希望它停止。

  • In another, they want ballots stuck and not.

    在另一個,他們希望選票被卡住,而不是。

  • I mean, you know, they don't want one thing

    我的意思是,你知道,他們不希望一件事。

  • across the country.

    全國各地。

  • So the fact that so many people allow him

    所以事實上,這麼多人允許他

  • to really desecrate the presidency

    真正褻瀆總統職位

  • is, to me, the irreparable piece of his tenure,

    在我看來,是他任期內無法彌補的一塊。

  • which looks like it'll only be four years.

    這看起來像它只會是四年。

  • But I don't think there is something on the other side.

    但我不認為對方有什麼。

  • It's, you know, how do you build that back?

    這是,你知道,你怎麼建立回來?

  • If you're subservient--

    如果你順從 --

  • You mean not something on the other side

    你的意思是,不是另一邊的東西

  • for the Republicans?

    共和黨人的?

  • Because that's my curiosity--

    因為那是我的好奇心 --

  • For these Republicans.

    對於這些共和黨人來說。

  • Right.

    好吧,我知道了

  • If you're, and I have friends,

    如果你是,我有朋友。

  • people I went to college with

    同學

  • who we didn't agree on...

    我們不同意誰... ...

  • They're smart, they're very intelligent, well-read people

    他們很聰明,他們很聰明,很會讀書的人

  • who really love their country.

    誰真正熱愛自己的國家。

  • Who, we didn't always see eye to eye

    誰,我們並不總是對視的

  • because they would vote Republican,

    因為他們會投共和黨的票。

  • I would vote Democrat.

    我會投民主黨的票。

  • But we would have long conversations

    但我們會有很長的對話

  • and we shared a lot of values.

    我們有很多共同的價值觀。

  • And now I think we've gotten to the point

    現在我想我們已經到了這個地步了

  • where those people, those friends of mine,

    那些人在哪裡,我的那些朋友,

  • have wanted no part of Trump or Trumpism.

    一直不想參與特朗普或特朗普主義。

  • So you wonder, how does the Republican Party,

    所以你想知道,共和黨怎麼。

  • how does it encapsulate,

    它是如何封裝的。

  • of how can it be big enough, a big tent,

    的,怎麼能夠大,一個大帳篷。

  • that holds reasonable people,

    握有理智的人。

  • and people that believe in their hearts

    和心中有信仰的人

  • that Joe Biden is a pedophile

    喬-拜登是戀童癖

  • and drinks the blood of children in Satanic rituals?

    並在撒旦儀式中喝下孩子的血?

  • How do you do that?

    你是怎麼做到的?

  • I don't know that there's a party there.

    我不知道那裡有一個黨。

  • Well, look, that's a QAnon conspiracy.

    嗯,你看,這是一個QAnon的陰謀。

  • I didn't know what QAnon was until very recently.

    我直到最近才知道QAnon是什麼。

  • I missed pronounced them.

    我錯過了他們的發音。

  • I saw them on my teleprompter and called them like Quay-non.

    我在提詞器上看到他們,就像奎農一樣叫他們。

  • Qua-non. (laughing)

    Qua -non。(笑)

  • Like Quaalude.

    就像Quaalude。

  • Look, I don't think...

    你看,我不認為... ...

  • It's oil and water, right?

    是油和水吧?

  • QAnon is a toxin, and I don't think you can say

    QAnon是一種毒素,我不認為你可以說:

  • like, oh, I'll just swim with them.

    像,哦,我就和他們一起游泳。

  • So it is, they are mutually exclusive.

    原來如此,它們是相互排斥的。

  • And what the party has become

    而黨已經變成了什麼

  • doesn't have room for reasonable people.

    沒有合理的人的空間。

  • I think the smart line of questioning that you're pursuing

    我認為你所追問的問題很聰明

  • is at this point, unknowable.

    在這一點上,是不可知的。

  • Because I think that winning campaigns

    因為我認為勝利的運動

  • always over read their mandate.

    總是過度解讀他們的任務。

  • And Senate Republicans will think they won this

    而參議院的共和黨人會認為他們贏得了這一切

  • because they didn't lose as many seats as they thought.

    因為他們失去的席位沒有想象中那麼多。

  • And even if Donald Trump is rejected,

    而且即使唐納德-特朗普被拒絕。

  • I think they will misread what might've been

    我想他們會誤讀可能是

  • a lot of anxiety about shutdowns

    憂心忡忡

  • and about maybe over...

    和大約也許過...

  • I think Republicans have been conditioned to believe

    我想共和黨人已經習慣於相信:

  • that shutdowns and lock downs

    關機和鎖機

  • and public health safety measures

    和公共衛生安全措施

  • are against the interest of our economic security.

    有損我國經濟安全的利益。

  • And I think that is not what Joe Biden

    我想這不是喬-拜登的風格。

  • has been saying,

    一直在說。

  • but I think that's where that sort of toxic mix

    但我認為,這就是那種有毒的混合

  • of disinformation and misinformation

    虛假資訊和誤導性資訊的影響

  • and painting all Democrats as Socialists

    並把所有民主黨人都描繪成社會主義者

  • will make it difficult for him to lead the whole country.

    將使他難以上司整個國家。

  • Because I think half the country truly thinks

    因為我覺得全國有一半的人真的認為

  • he want to shut people down and leave them in their homes.

    他想把人們關起來,讓他們呆在家裡。

  • That is not even the public health approach.

    這甚至不是公共衛生的方法。

  • But I think that until you have a party

    但我認為,直到你有一個黨

  • that understands that that dynamic,

    該明白,該動態。

  • worried about the economy, worried about the shutdowns,

    擔心經濟,擔心停工。

  • had more to do with Republicans looking healthier

    更多的是與共和黨人看起來更健康有關。

  • on Tuesday night in some of these Senate races

    週二晚上,在這些參議院的一些比賽中。

  • than even a lot of Republicans thought they might,

    比很多共和黨人想的都要好。

  • than any sort of mandate for Trump or Trumpism

    比起對特朗普或特朗普主義的任何形式的授權來說。

  • or what they are doing.

    或他們正在做什麼。

  • I think they will continue down this path.

    我想他們會繼續走這條路。

  • And I think flirting with QAnon

    而且我覺得和QAnon調調情吧

  • and playing footsie with white supremacists

    和白人至上主義者玩弄於股掌之間。

  • is a dead end road.

    是一條死路。

  • It's a cul-de-sac.

    這是一個死衚衕。

  • There is no what's the GOP on the other side?

    沒有什麼GOP的另一面是什麼?

  • It has to, you know, sort of collapse,

    它必須,你知道,排序的崩潰。

  • and it might in the next cycle,

    而且在下一個週期可能會。

  • the cycle after that.

    之後的循環。

  • And then, you know, maybe something thoughtful

    然後,你知道,也許一些周到的東西

  • comes up on the other side.

    在另一邊出現了。

  • Maybe it doesn't.

    也許沒有

  • Maybe we have this sort of corrupt path

    也許我們有這種腐敗的途徑

  • of the political, you know, machinery,

    的政治,你知道,機器。

  • and maybe that's what Democrats have to figure out

    也許這就是民主黨人必須要弄清楚的問題