Speaking just a short while ago at the White House, where he is watching the results come in.

剛才在白宮講話，他正在那裡看結果出來。

He addressed supporters on DSO said.

他在DSO上對支持者說。

Frankly, they had one with many states still undeclared.

坦率地說，他們有一個很多州還沒有申報。

He called the election process of major fraud on our nation and said that he plans to contest it in the Supreme Court.

他稱選舉過程是對我們國家的重大欺詐，並表示他計劃在最高法院進行競爭。

Let's listen, so we'll be going to the U.

讓我們來聽聽，所以我們要去美國。

S.

S.

Supreme Court.

最高法院：

We want all voting to stop.

我們希望所有的投票都停止。

We don't want them to find any ballots at four o'clock in the morning and add them to the list.

我們不希望他們在凌晨四點鐘發現任何選票，並將其添加到名單中。

Okay?

好嗎？

And let's bring in now our team coverage.

現在讓我們帶來我們團隊的報道。

Jessica, you know heck joins us.

傑西卡，你知道他加入我們。

She's a professor of American history at Berlin's Free University, and Richard Walker from D.

她是柏林自由大學的美國曆史教授，理查德-沃克從D。

W.

W.

Is also joining us here in the studio.

他也加入了我們的演播室

Richard, respond to what Donald Trump just said there.

理查德，迴應一下唐納德-特朗普剛才說的話。

Is it accurate?

準確嗎？

Well, no, I mean, he said that we want voting all voting to stop in this country, and voting has stopped.

嗯，不，我的意思是，他說，我們希望投票... ...所有投票停止在這個國家，投票已經停止。

S O.

S O.

I mean, what he's trying to do is to undermine, uh, belief in the electoral system as it is playing out.

我的意思是，他試圖做的是破壞，呃， 相信在選舉制度，因為它是發揮。

He's trying to throw into question the validity Uh, particularly off early votes, which were cast to, particularly in thes close states where there's no announced result being called.

他試圖質疑早期選票的有效性 特別是早期選票的有效性 特別是在沒有宣佈結果的臨近的州里

Yet.

然而。

He's trying Thio throw those into doubt because presumably he believes that the majority of those early votes which, uh, projections do seem to bear out our votes for Joe Biden and rather for him rather than for him.

他想把這些都扔進懷疑中，因為大概他認為那些早期的大部分選票... ...呃，預測似乎確實證明了我們對喬-拜登的投票，而不是對他的投票。

So essentially, what he would like to do is to kind of have all kind of counting halted in these states because in these crucial states of, for instance, Wisconsin of Pennsylvania and Michigan, if you look at the latest tally so far, Trump is ahead in those states.

是以，從本質上講，他想做的是讓這些州的所有計票停止，因為在這些關鍵的州，例如，賓夕法尼亞州的威斯康星州和密歇根州，如果你看一下目前的最新統計，特朗普在這些州領先。

But those are states that haven't yet really or until today started counting the great number of early votes, which had come in either by mail or in person.

但這些州還沒有真正或直到今天才開始統計大量的早期選票，這些選票是通過郵寄或親自前來的。

And he would, you know, ideally for him, they would sort of make a cut now to say, Okay, the votes that were cast today we're for Trump.

而他會，你知道，對他來說，理想的情況下，他們現在會做一個切口說，好吧，今天投的票我們是支持特朗普的。

He wins the state s Oh, this is curing up a legal battle.

他贏了州政府 哦，這是一場法律戰的固化。

It's not a huge surprise, you know, there were concerns that this would happen for Trump has been threatening it for some time, but it's a reality now.

這不是一個巨大的驚喜，你知道，有人擔心這會發生，因為特朗普已經威脅了一段時間，但它現在是一個現實。

This is what's gonna happen.

這就是將要發生的事情。

Put this into the broader context for us.

把這個問題放到我們更廣闊的背景下。

Jessica.

潔西卡

Have we seen this before?

我們以前見過這個嗎？

Well, we have, but maybe not in living memory and sort of speak e mean The profile of Trump is in many ways a profile off a president who could have well survived and in fact been very successful in the 19th century as well.

好吧，我們有，但也許不是在生活的記憶和排序e說的意思是特朗普的個人資料在許多方面是一個配置文件關閉一個總統誰可以很好地生存，事實上是非常成功的在19世紀以及。

The campaign that we have seen, you know, with this slander, its directness.

我們看到的運動，你知道，這種誹謗，其直接性。

It's public display of really deep seeded animosity is also something that we've seen quite a bit in American history, notably in the 19th century.

它公開展示真正深藏不露的敵意，在美國曆史上我們也見過不少，尤其是在19世紀。

We're just not used to these types any, um, any more Elections have been closed.

我們只是不習慣這種類型的任何，嗯，任何更多的選舉已經結束。

World first couple of elections in American history where terribly cause much more, maybe, than what we've seen, what we're seeing now or what we've seen for years ago, 20 years ago.

美國曆史上第一對夫婦的選舉 導致了更多的原因，也許， 比我們所看到的，我們現在看到的 或者我們看到的多年前，20年前。

What's new here and I think this is really historic, is the mix.

這裡的新東西，我認為這是真正的歷史，是混合。

It's kind of the recipe.

這是一種配方。

Put all of this together.

把所有這些放在一起。

You know, the slanders campaign, the narcissistic president, the deep division off the country, Um, and you get what you're seeing right now, but in a highly explosive brand.

你知道，誹謗運動， 自戀的總統， 深度分裂的國家， 嗯，你得到你現在看到的， 但在一個高度爆炸性的品牌。

Um, that is actually very, very dangerous.

嗯，這其實是非常非常危險的。

And I think what we really have to be aware off that all of this didn't matter as much as long as the presidency was not a very powerful position.

我認為我們真正要注意的是，只要總統職位不是一個非常強大的職位，這一切都沒有那麼重要。

19th century presidents weren't very powerful, but they are now.

19世紀的總統們並不是很有權力，但他們現在是。

And so if you have 1/19 century candidate and you put him on the 21st century position you're in for a dynamic relationship.

所以，如果你有1/19世紀的候選人，你把他放在21世紀的位置上，你就會有一個動態的關係。

And not 19th century America also wasn't very powerful.

而不是19世紀的美國也不是很強大。

21st century America is, you know, it's the superpower that affect everyone around the world.

21世紀的美國，你知道，它是影響全世界所有人的超級大國。

So you know, if if America is in for a period of really deep political instability even deeper than we've already witnessed over the last couple of months or even four years, you could say that's destabilizing for the world.

所以，你知道，如果如果美國是在一個時期 真正深刻的政治不穩定 甚至比我們已經看到了更深 在過去的幾個月，甚至四年， 你可以說，這是破壞穩定的世界。

What is the potential for sort of a worst case scenario?

最壞情況的可能性是什麼？

Would you say, Richard, Because, I mean, we have seen the images coming across the country.

你會說，理查德，因為，我的意思是，我們已經看到了全國各地的影像。

In the United States, we have seen shops boarded up.

在美國，我們看到商店被封死了。

We have seen major landmarks boarded up, For example, um, the nation's seems to be bracing for the worst.

我們已經看到了主要的地標性建築，例如，嗯，國家的似乎是為最壞的情況做準備。

Could we see that?

我們能看到嗎？

Well, it depends.

這要看情況

What?

什麼？

What do you call the worst case scenario?

你說最壞的情況是什麼？

Violence on the streets, protesters on the streets, on the street?

街頭的暴力，街頭的抗議者，街頭的?

Anger?

憤怒？

We're not at that stage yet, but it's it's completely feasible.

我們還沒到那個階段，但它是完全可行的。

We've already seen violence on the street this year.

今年我們已經看到了街頭的暴力事件。

We've seen people killed on the streets of America this year, So why shouldn't that happen in these circumstances?

今年我們已經看到有人在美國街頭被殺，那麼為什麼在這種情況下不應該發生呢？

I think there's a very significant risk of that.

我認為這有非常大的風險。

That means that, you know, Donald Trump and Joe Biden both have a very serious responsibility in how they manage this because they set the tone.

這意味著，你知道，唐納德-特朗普和喬-拜登都有一個非常嚴重的責任，在他們如何管理這個問題，因為他們設置的基調。

Why is the mood so tense, Jessica?

為什麼心情這麼緊張，傑西卡？

Because the country is so divided.

因為國家是如此的分裂。

I mean, if you think about past elections, the one that comes to mind, the closest one is 18 60 that's the one right before the Civil War.

我的意思是，如果你想想過去的選舉， 一個想到的，最接近的一個是1860 這是一個正確的內戰前。