Name: 冠狀病毒。英國死亡人數上升，病例激增，下一步怎麼辦？- BBC新聞之夜 (Coronavirus: What next as UK deaths rise and cases surge? - BBC Newsnight)
Uploaded: 2020-10-29T19:05:45.000Z
Duration: 12 min 45 s

Ah, murderous second wave is underway on dso time for a stringent national lock down J.

啊，殺人的第二波正在進行上dso時間嚴格的全國鎖定J。

Carefully, he has to pay reviews clear echoes of France's first wave as travel restrictions return.

細心的是，他不得不支付評論清楚的迴響，法國的第一波旅行限制迴歸。

This one will initially last for five weeks on schools on essential workplaces will remain open.

這個最初將持續五週，學校的重要工作場所將繼續開放。

Some of the toughest measures in Europe as Germany for long a model in handling the virus also announced a dramatic tightening off restrictions.

一些最嚴厲的措施在歐洲作為德國長期處理病毒的模式也宣佈大幅收緊關閉限制。

The new measures by such close neighbors will intensify pressure on Boris Johnson to toughen restrictions on this side of the channel.

這種近鄰的新措施將加大對鮑里斯-約翰遜的壓力，以加強對海峽這邊的限制。

The UK is, after all, projected to be a few weeks behind.

France on the scientific advisory group for Emergencies is warning that the second wave could last longer than the first in the spring, The UK daily death rate quickly shot up to just over 1000 day before slowly coming down since September, death have bean on the up again On now, scientists fear they will rise to 500 a day by mid November.

法國緊急情況科學諮詢小組警告說，第二波可能會比春季的第一波持續的時間更長，英國的日死亡率迅速飆升到剛剛超過1000天，然後再慢慢下來，自9月以來，死亡人數已經豆上再次上升，現在，科學家們擔心他們將上升到500每天11月中旬。

We're already seeing a steady increase in infections, hospitalizations, and deaths, but at a far slower rate than we saw in March, maybe doubling every 2 to 3 weeks.

我們已經看到感染、住院和死亡人數在穩步上升，但速度比3月份的時候慢得多，可能每2到3周就會翻一番。

But it is going carrying on in spite off the measures that have taken place.

但是，儘管已經採取了措施，但它仍在繼續。

It's quite plausible that they will carry on really throughout the winter.

很有可能他們真的會在整個冬天進行下去。

I think it's gonna look much more like a ah bad flu season, which is spread over the whole of the winter rather than being enormously packed in like the first wave of this epidemic.

我認為它會看起來更像一個啊嚴重的流感季節，這是分佈在整個冬季，而不是被巨大的包裝在像這個流行病的第一波。

A significant moment for Boris Johnson as his own scientists.

鮑里斯-約翰遜的一個重要時刻，作為自己的科學家。

One of the potency off the second wave on political pressure to after the used to mighty powers introduced nationwide measures.

之一的效力關第二波對政治的壓力，以後用於強國推出全國性的措施。

Downing Street is watching developments across the channel with care.

唐寧街正小心翼翼地關注著整個海峽的發展。

But for now, the prime minister believes that targeted regional restrictions are the best approach over here way need to look carefully what other nations are doing, but recognizing that this government is up against it once again.

但目前，總理認為，有針對性的區域限制是最好的方法，在這邊方式需要仔細觀察其他國家在做什麼，但認識到這個政府又要面對它。

But we need to learn lessons from that first time round, understand that there may be a circuit breaker or another lock down, but actually we're keeping more people alive at the moment there's medicines available.

但我們需要從第一次的教訓中吸取教訓，明白可能會有一個斷路器或另一個鎖定，但實際上我們正在保持更多的人活著，目前有藥物可用。

We're all more disciplined in what we're doing on what I'd like to see is not an exit strategy of such.

我們在做什麼事情上都比較嚴謹，我希望看到的不是這樣的退出策略。

除非我們有了疫苗，否則不會出現這種情況。

我們需要一個計劃來帶我們到3月。

That must include keeping the economy alive, looking at clever ways off, allowing us to go about our business.

這必須包括保持經濟的活力，尋找巧妙的方法，讓我們去做我們的事情。

Labor believes the new restrictions on the continent highlight weaknesses in number tens.

工黨認為，大陸新的限制措施凸顯出數十個方面的弱點。

I think again it shows that Boris Johnson is behind the coronavirus curved.

我認為這又說明鮑里斯-約翰遜是冠狀病毒彎曲的背後。

He should have used this half term for a short time, limited circuit break here in the United Kingdom in England to get on top of the virus, to save lives, to stop the NHS being overwhelmed.

他應該利用這半個學期的時間，在英國英國這裡有限的斷路，去對付病毒，去拯救生命，去阻止NHS不堪重負。

And the fear now is that because he's differing because he's delaying that he'll be forced into a longer, deeper, locked down later next month, for or in December again, it's because Boris Johnson, like in the spring, has been too slow to act on.

而現在擔心的是，因為他的不同，因為他的拖延，他將被迫進入一個更長的，更深的，鎖定下個月晚些時候，為或在12月再次，這是因為鮑里斯-約翰遜，就像春天一樣，行動太慢。

Eerie silence befell the City of Lights in the first lock Down on now.

詭異的寂靜籠罩著光之城，在第一次鎖定現在。

Well, I'm joined now by Robert West, the professor of Health Psychology University, College, London, who is also member of the behavioral science subgroup of Sage S B I B and clear Wenham, assistant professor of global health policy at the London School of Economics.

好了，我現在加入了羅伯特-韋斯特，健康心理學大學教授，學院，倫敦，誰也是行為科學子集團的成員S S B I B和清晰的Wenham，助理教授全球衛生政策在倫敦經濟學院。

First of all, Professor West in July, Boris Johnson said is my strong, sincere hope will be able to review outstanding restrictions and of a significant return to normality.

首先，韋斯特教授在7月表示，鮑里斯-約翰遜是我強烈的、真誠的希望能夠審查未完成的限制，並大幅恢復正常。

End of November, possibly in time for Christmas is not gonna happen, is it?

11月底，可能趕不上聖誕節了吧？

I'm afraid it isn't on, but unfortunately, this was foreseen.

恐怕沒有上，但不幸的是，這是預知的。

You know, when the restrictions were eased, you know, people were saying they were eased too soon on DTI too much at one time.

放寬限制的時候，你知道的，人們都說放寬得太快了，一度對工信部的限制太多。

Then, as things started to get worse, we needed to act much more quickly than we have done.

然後，當事情開始變得更糟時，我們需要比以往更快地採取行動。

So in the beginning, let's look at the first way.

所以在開始的時候，我們先看第一種方式。

We were told that we to protect the NHS, but actually became the Corvette NHS.

我們被告知，我們要保護NHS，但實際上成為科沃特NHS。

And as we now know, cancer operations were canceled.

而現在我們知道，癌症手術被取消了。

Cancer death rules we've heard tonight that Greater Manchester is again canceling cancer operations.

癌症死亡規則我們今晚聽說，大曼徹斯特再次取消癌症手術。

那麼，現在是不是應該有更明確的資訊呢？

Everyone knows some with cancer in the family.

大家都知道有些人家裡有癌症。

There will be more cancer deaths if you do not adhere.

如果你不堅持，會有更多的癌症死亡。

What we're seeing from the evidence is that people are adhering toa what they're being told to do.

我們從證據中看到的是，人們都在遵守他們被告知的事情。

The problem isn't so much the adherence to the rules.

That problem is the rules onda fact that explicit nature.

這個問題是規則上達事實，明確性質。

Is it not time to more explicit in that message about cancer?

關於癌症的那條資訊是不是應該更加明確了？

Well, I think it's very important to understand that the NHS was not protected last time.

好吧，我覺得很重要的一點是，要明白上次NHS沒有得到保護。

It was absolutely catastrophic for the NHS on it will be again.

這絕對是災難性的NHS對它將再次。

Um, but you know, independent sage now, Sage has said, you know that it really isn't acceptable to have a continuing rise in infection rates because, you know, we will see more hospitalizations and deaths on Duthie.

嗯，但你知道，獨立聖人現在，聖人說，你知道，它真的是不可接受的感染率持續上升，因為，你知道，我們會看到更多的住院和死亡的Duthie。

NHS, of course, will suffer as a consequence.

Frankly, in the midst of deep winter might not be able to cope.

坦率地說，在深冬中可能無法應對。

I mean, it was seen as a triumph that we weren't using the Nightingale Hospitals.

我的意思是，這被認為是一個勝利，我們沒有使用南丁格爾醫院。

But actually, that's not Nestle a triumph for other kinds of illnesses as well.

但其實，這並不是雀巢對其他種類的疾病也是一種勝利。

不，我的意思是，你知道，我們會看到。

We've already seen that there were substantial excess deaths not directly caused by co vid, and there will be more to come clear when.

我們已經看到，有大量的超額死亡不是由co vid直接造成的，到時還會有更多的情況出現。

Why do you think people are often not adhering to the majors?

為什麼你認為人們常常不遵守專業？

Is it the fact that they're not scared or they're too scared of?

Nous is, for example, you know, they're they're scared of covert.

比如說，你知道，他們... ...他們害怕祕密。

On the one hand, they're scared of a lot during the other.

一方面，他們在另一個期間害怕很多。

我想這是所有這些東西的混合體。

I think some people are fed up of being where we are fed up of off.

我想，有些人已經厭倦了我們厭倦的關。

Being in this kind of quasi state that we've seen in the last few months, I think others simply can't afford to go into to isolate.

在過去幾個月我們看到的這種準狀態下，我想其他人根本就沒有能力去隔離。

We've seen a lot of data coming out showing people who aren't they good bye bye, These isolation requests because they have to get to work.

我們已經看到了很多數據出來，顯示出人們誰不是他們再見，這些隔離請求，因為他們必須去工作。

We had a government whose bean, you know, encouraging people to go out over the summer.

我們有一個政府，其豆，你知道， 鼓勵人們出去過夏天。

Let's not forget that the government we're encouraging people to go out and, you know, eat out and go back to work on trying to get people to socialize again on.

別忘了，政府我們鼓勵人們出去，你知道，在外面吃飯，然後回去工作，試圖讓人們再次社交上。

So there's really some mixed messages coming people are trying to have to grapple with at the moment.

所以，目前人們真的是有一些混雜的資訊來試圖不得不去處理。

But now and today we've got the stubbornly high number in the early 300 expected to rise.

但現在和今天，我們已經有了300初的頑固高數，預計還會上升。

每天的死亡人數大約在500人左右。

Now is the time, surely to have trust between the government and the public.

現在是時候了，肯定要政府和公眾之間的信任。

And why does the public not trust the government?

What I mean, some some challenges in the risk communication across the course, this pandemic.

我的意思是，在整個過程中的風險溝通中的一些一些挑戰，這種大流行。

I think that, you know Johnson's message at the beginning of this would be out of this by Christmas was unrealistic, and I think he needed to prepare people better for actually, this is gonna be a long time tour out of this.

我認為，你知道約翰遜的消息在開始 這將是出這個聖誕節是不切實際的， 我認為他需要準備的人更好的實際上， 這是要去是一個漫長的時間之旅了。

你知道，沒有人想要那個阿姨。

So it's not a political astute or savvy thing to say it's not good.

所以說，這不是一個政治精明或精明的事情，而是一個不好的事情。

It's not gonna win you, you know, a crowd.

它不會讓你贏得，你知道，一個人群。

But that's the reality, and I think we now need to get that messaging right to prepare people for what's going to be a long winter, potentially a long 2021 on Also prepare people for the fact that the vaccine isn't necessarily the silver bullet and, you know, assumes we get a vaccine.

但這就是現實，我認為我們現在需要得到正確的消息，讓人們準備好什麼將是一個漫長的冬天，可能是一個漫長的2021上也讓人們準備好疫苗不一定是銀彈的事實，你知道，假設我們得到疫苗。

It's going to take time to distribute it, to roll it out.

這需要時間來分配它，推出它。

So I think we need to really focus in on how the government is communicating, what the reality of the next few months.

所以我認為我們需要真正關注在政府如何溝通，未來幾個月的實際情況是什麼。

Is the reality to follow France and Germany into a national lock down?

現實是要跟著法國和德國進入全國鎖國嗎？

Yes, I think that it would be remarkable if the government sort of held out.

是的，我認為，如果政府能堅持下去，那就了不起了。