OUR NEXT GUEST IS AN INCREDIBLE MUSICIAN, ARTIST, FILMMAKER AND

我們的下一位嘉賓是一位了不起的音樂家，藝術家，電影製作人和。

WRITER AND A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE BAND "TALKING HEADS."

作家，也是 "會說話的頭 "樂隊的創始成員。

HIS SPIKE LEE DIRECTED MUSICAL DOCUMENTARY, "AMERICAN UTOPIA,"

HIS SPIKES READED DIRECTED MUSICAL DOCUMENTARY "AMERICAN UTOPIA"（美國烏托邦）。

IS OUT NOW ON HBO MAX.

現在出來的HBO MAX。

THE SUPREMELY TALENTED, DAVID BYRNE!

天賦異稟的戴維-拜倫！

( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> THANK YOU!

( 歡呼聲和掌聲 ) >> 謝謝你!

>> James: HOW ARE YOU, DAVID?

>> 詹姆斯。你好嗎，戴維？

WHAT A PLEASURE.

什麼是快樂。

SO NICE TO SEE YOU.

很高興見到你。

THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED THAT YOU

這裡有很多人對你的到來感到非常的興奮

ARE JOINING US ON THE SHOW.

加入我們的演出。

NOW, YOU'RE IN NEW YORK CITY RIGHT NOW, WHICH, LAST WEEK,

現在，你現在在紐約市，這，上週。

PRESIDENT TRUMP DESCRIBED AS A GHOST TOWN.

特朗普總統描述為一個鬼城。

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT, YOU'RE THERE, YOU'RE

你會不會同意他的評估，你在那裡，你是

IN IT, HOW IS IT IN NEW YORK RIGHT NOW?

在它，如何是它在紐約現在？

>> WELL, AS MAYBE SOME PEOPLE HAVE HEARD, NO, IT'S NOT A GHOST

>> 好吧，也許有人聽說過，不，這不是一個幽靈。

TOWN, THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT, AND THEY'RE WEARING THEIR

城裡，有很多人在外面，而他們正穿著他們的...

MASKS, MOST OF THEM.

面具，大部分的面具。

THE RESTAURANTS HERE, AS THE COLD WEATHER'S COMING IN, THEY

這裡的餐廳，隨著寒冷天氣的到來，他們

USED TO HAVE EVERYBODY DINING al-FRESCO, WHICH THEY STILL

曾經有每個人吃飯的al-FRESCO，他們仍然是

HAVE, BUT NOW THEY'VE TURNED THEM INTO LITTLE SHACKS.

是的，但現在他們把它們變成了小骷髏。

SO THE STREETS ARE LINED WITH CUTE LITTLE SHACKS WITH LITTLE

所以大街上到處都是可愛的小黑屋，還有小黑屋。

FAIRY LIGHTS AND PLANTS AND THINGS, BUT IT'S KIND OF A

仙女燈和植物和東西，但它是一種類型的。

SHANTY TOWN, BUT IT'S VERY NICE.

汕頭市，但它是非常好的。

IT'S A CUTE SHANTY TOWN.

這是一個可愛的棚戶區。

>> James: NOW, IN RESPONSE TO HOW FRAGMENTED THE COUNTRY IS AT

>> 詹姆斯。現在，針對國家目前有多脆弱的問題。

THE MOMENT, YOU LAUNCHED A PROGRAM CALLED WE ARE NOT

那一刻，你推出了一個名為 "我們不是 "的計劃。

DIVIDED, AND FOR ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO SEARCH THIS OUT, IT'S

分裂，對於任何人誰需要搜索這一點，它是。

COMPLETELY WORTHY OF YOUR TIME.

完全值得你的時間。

YOU WROTE ABOUT A BIKE TRIP THAT YOU TOOK TO STATEN ISLAND WHICH

你寫了一次騎車旅行，你去了斯塔滕島，其中

IS THE ONLY BOROUGH IN NEW YORK CITY WHO VETTED FOR TRUMP.

是紐約市唯一一個對特朗普進行審查的區。

WHAT DID YOU LEARN ON THAT TRIP?

你在這次旅行中學到了什麼？

>> I INVITED SOME FRIENDS TO COME ALONG.

>> 我邀請了一些朋友一起去。

I LIKE INVITING FRIENDS FOR BIKE TRIPS.

我喜歡邀請朋友來騎車旅行。

I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO -- IT'S KIND OF TRUMP TERRITORY BUT

我說，我們要去 - 這是一種特朗普的領土，但。

ALSO THE LAND OF THE WU TANG.

也是吳唐之地。

SO SEE IF YOU CAN WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT.

所以，看看你能不能把你的腦袋繞過去。

AND I REALLY LOVED IT.

我真的很喜歡它。

AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS I SAW THIS LARGE SRI LANKAN COMMUNITY

發生了什麼事，我看到了這個龐大的斯里蘭卡社區。

THERE.

在那裡。

THERE'S AN AREA DESIGNATED AS THE WU TANG DISTRICT.

有一個地區被稱為 "武當區"。

THERE'S A GUY WHO PAINTS FLAGS ON THE SIDE OF BUILDINGS AND

有一個傢伙誰畫的旗幟上的建築物和

THINGS LIKET THAT, AND HE'S A TRUMP SUPPORTER, BUT HE SAID I

事情是這樣的，他是特朗普的支持者，但他說我

WOULD NEVER DO A CONFEDERATE FLAG BECAUSE I THINK THIS

我永遠不會做一個聯邦旗，因為我認為這。

COUNTRY SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE, ALL THE IMMIGRANTS AND PEOPLE

國家應該是為所有人、所有移民和人民服務的。

WHO LIVE HERE.

誰住在這裡。

SO I THOUGHT THINGS ARE NOT AS SIMPLE AND BLACK AND WHITE AS I

所以我覺得事情並不像我想象的那麼簡單和黑白分明

MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT THEY WERE.

可能認為他們是。

I HAD ALL THESE PRECONCEIVED IDEAS ABOUT STATEN ISLAND AND I

我對斯塔滕島有所有這些預知的想法，我...

WAS MISTAKEN ON A LOT OF THIS.

被誤解了很多的這。

>> James: I DO THINK IT'S OFTEN WORTH, WHENEVER YOU CAN,

>> 詹姆斯。我認為這往往是值得的，只要你能。

TO OPEN YOURSELF UP TO THOSE EXPERIENCES, TO THOSE

敞開自己的心扉，接受這些經驗，接受這些。

ENCOUNTERS, PARTICULARLY TODAY WITH THE WAY THAT WE CONSUME

對話，特別是今天我們的消費方式。

NEWS AND MEDIA, SOME OF IT CAN BE SO DIVISIVE, BUT, ACTUALLY,

新聞和媒體，它的一些可以如此分裂，但是，實際上，。

GOING TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE CAN REALLY BRING ABOUT A SENSE OF

去和人們說話可以真正帶來一種感覺。

OPTIMISM, I FIND.

優化，我發現。

WOULD YOU AGREE?

你會同意嗎？

>> YEAH, IT DEFINITELY CHANGED MYOPINIONS.

>> 是的，它確實改變了我的看法。

I THOUGHT, NO, THINGS WERE A LOT MORE NUANCED, A LOT MORE

我想，不，事情要複雜得多，複雜得多。

COMPLICATED THAN I THOUGHT THEY WERE, WHICH MAKES ME VERY

比我想象中的複雜，這讓我非常。

HELPFUL.

有幫助的。

>> James: NOW, WE HAVE TO CALCULATE YOU ON AMERICAN UTOPIA

>> 詹姆斯：現在，我們要計算你在美國烏托邦的情況。

WHICH IS A FILM OF YOUR BROADWAY SHOW WHICH IS DIRECTED BY SPIKE

你的百老匯演出中，哪部電影是由SPIKE導演的？

LEE.

李：

FOR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW, EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THIS IS.

對於任何不知道的人，向我們解釋一下這是什麼。

>> IT'S A SHOW THAT EVOLVED OUT OF A CONCERT TOUR THAT WE DID.

>> 這是一場由我們的巡迴演唱會演變而來的演出。

WE TOOK IT TO BROADWAY AND I CHANGED IT, SO IT BECAME MORE OF

我們把它帶到了百老匯，我改變了它，所以它變成了更多的。

A -- THERE WAS MORE STORY TO IT.

還有更多的故事。

SO IT'S A CROSS BETWEEN A KIND OF BROADWAY STORY THING AND A

所以這是一個交叉的百老匯故事的東西和一個有點交叉的

CONCERT.

音樂會：

THE BAND IS ENTIRELY MOBILE.

樂隊是完全移動的。

EVERYBODY'S CARRYING THEIR INSTRUMENTS, SO WE CAN GO

每個人都帶著他們的儀器，所以我們可以去。

ANYWHERE.

任何地方。

SO THE BAND AND I ARE CONSTANTLY IN MOTION, THE SET IS BASICALLY

所以我和樂隊一直在行動，這套房子基本上是。

EMPTY BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S CARRYING THEIR INSTRUMENTS

空蕩蕩的，因為每個人都帶著自己的儀器。

INSTEAD OF SITTING DOWN AND PLAYING THEM LIKE YOUR BAND

而不是像你的樂隊一樣坐下來演奏這些歌曲

IS -- ALTHOUGH YOUR BAND COULD PROBABLY MOVE AROUND, TOO, IF

是 - 雖然你的樂隊可能會移動，太，如果。

THEY WANTED TO.

他們想：

>> James: WE PREFER IF THEY DON'T.

>> 詹姆斯。我們寧願他們不這樣做。

( LAUGHTER ) >> OKAY.

（笑） >> 好的。

>> James: I SO WISH I'D GOT THE CHANCE TO HAVE SEEN THIS.

>> 詹姆斯。我真希望我有機會看到這個。

I MEAN, DOING COUNTLESS LIVE SHOWS DURING YOUR CAREER, YOU

我的意思是，在你的職業生涯中，做了無數次的現場表演，你。

KNOW, SOLO AND, OF COURSE, WITH "TALKING HEADS," HOW DIFFERENT

知道嗎，獨奏，當然，與 "會說話的頭"，如何不同的。

IS IT FOR YOU AS A PERFORMER DOING EIGHT SHOWS A WEEK TO A

你作為一個演員，一週做八場演出，是否適合你？

BROADWAY AUDIENCE?

廣場聽眾？

>> WELL, IT'S A BIT DIFFERENT.

>> 好吧，這是一個有點不同的。

WHEN WE WERE ON CONCERT TOUR, THE AUDIENCES ARE THERE TO

當我們進行演唱會巡迴演出時，觀眾都是來聽的。

REALLY HAVE A GOOD TIME AND THEY'RE UP AND DANCING BY THE

真正有一個好的時間和他們起來，並在旁邊跳舞

THIRD SONG.

THIRD SONG.

BROADWAY CROWDS, THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVINCING.

百老匯的觀眾，他們需要更多的說服力。

THEY HAVE COMFORTABLE SEATS, REALLY NICE SEATS THAT THEY PAID

他們有舒適的座位，真正的好座位，他們支付的費用。

A NICE PRICE FOR, AND, SO, THEY REALLY HAVE TO KIND OF SELL THEM

一個不錯的價格，所以，他們真的要賣掉它們。

ON THE IDEA OF DOING THIS.

在這個想法上，

THEY GO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET UP AND DANCE UNTIL

他們走了，你知道，我們不會起來跳舞，直到。

WE'RE GOOD AND READY.

我們好了，準備好了。

BUT I TOOK IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY, SO IT ALLOWS ME TO KIND OF -- US

但我把它作為一個機會， 所以它允許我有點 - 我們的。

TO KIND OF BUILD SLOWLY AND KIND OF FOR ME TO TALK TO THEM AND

某種程度上說，我可以慢慢地和他們交談，並進行某種程度的建設。

KIND OF GET TO KNOW THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WHICH IS KIND

有點了解他們更好一點，這是善良的

OF AN INTERESTING THING, BECAUSE BROADWAY AUDIENCES USUALLY DON'T

一個有趣的事情，因為Broadway的觀眾通常不。

TALK BACK TO THE PEOPLE ON STAGE.

跟臺下的人說話。

>> James: FOR SURE.

>> 詹姆斯。當然。

WELL, I SO HOPE IT COMES BACK TO BROADWAY LIVE BECAUSE I WOULD

好吧，我真希望它能回到百老匯現場，因為我願意

REALLY REALLY LOVE TO BE THERE.

真的很想去那裡。

BUT I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU FILMED IT.

但我很高興你拍了它。