Name: 從吳曉波到特朗普，大衛-拜恩征服了斯坦頓島。 (From Wu to Trump, David Byrne Conquered Staten Island)
Uploaded: 2020-10-28T18:27:07.000Z
Duration: 5 min 36 s

OUR NEXT GUEST IS AN INCREDIBLE MUSICIAN, ARTIST, FILMMAKER AND

我們的下一位嘉賓是一位了不起的音樂家，藝術家，電影製作人和。

WRITER AND A FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE BAND "TALKING HEADS."

作家，也是 "會說話的頭 "樂隊的創始成員。

HIS SPIKE LEE DIRECTED MUSICAL DOCUMENTARY, "AMERICAN UTOPIA,"

HIS SPIKES READED DIRECTED MUSICAL DOCUMENTARY "AMERICAN UTOPIA"（美國烏托邦）。

THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE INCREDIBLY EXCITED THAT YOU

這裡有很多人對你的到來感到非常的興奮

NOW, YOU'RE IN NEW YORK CITY RIGHT NOW, WHICH, LAST WEEK,

現在，你現在在紐約市，這，上週。

PRESIDENT TRUMP DESCRIBED AS A GHOST TOWN.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH HIS ASSESSMENT, YOU'RE THERE, YOU'RE

你會不會同意他的評估，你在那裡，你是

>> WELL, AS MAYBE SOME PEOPLE HAVE HEARD, NO, IT'S NOT A GHOST

>> 好吧，也許有人聽說過，不，這不是一個幽靈。

TOWN, THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT, AND THEY'RE WEARING THEIR

城裡，有很多人在外面，而他們正穿著他們的...

THE RESTAURANTS HERE, AS THE COLD WEATHER'S COMING IN, THEY

這裡的餐廳，隨著寒冷天氣的到來，他們

USED TO HAVE EVERYBODY DINING al-FRESCO, WHICH THEY STILL

曾經有每個人吃飯的al-FRESCO，他們仍然是

HAVE, BUT NOW THEY'VE TURNED THEM INTO LITTLE SHACKS.

是的，但現在他們把它們變成了小骷髏。

SO THE STREETS ARE LINED WITH CUTE LITTLE SHACKS WITH LITTLE

所以大街上到處都是可愛的小黑屋，還有小黑屋。

FAIRY LIGHTS AND PLANTS AND THINGS, BUT IT'S KIND OF A

仙女燈和植物和東西，但它是一種類型的。

>> James: NOW, IN RESPONSE TO HOW FRAGMENTED THE COUNTRY IS AT

>> 詹姆斯。現在，針對國家目前有多脆弱的問題。

THE MOMENT, YOU LAUNCHED A PROGRAM CALLED WE ARE NOT

那一刻，你推出了一個名為 "我們不是 "的計劃。

DIVIDED, AND FOR ANYONE WHO NEEDS TO SEARCH THIS OUT, IT'S

分裂，對於任何人誰需要搜索這一點，它是。

YOU WROTE ABOUT A BIKE TRIP THAT YOU TOOK TO STATEN ISLAND WHICH

你寫了一次騎車旅行，你去了斯塔滕島，其中

IS THE ONLY BOROUGH IN NEW YORK CITY WHO VETTED FOR TRUMP.

是紐約市唯一一個對特朗普進行審查的區。

I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO -- IT'S KIND OF TRUMP TERRITORY BUT

我說，我們要去 - 這是一種特朗普的領土，但。

SO SEE IF YOU CAN WRAP YOUR HEAD AROUND THAT.

所以，看看你能不能把你的腦袋繞過去。

AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS I SAW THIS LARGE SRI LANKAN COMMUNITY

發生了什麼事，我看到了這個龐大的斯里蘭卡社區。

THERE'S AN AREA DESIGNATED AS THE WU TANG DISTRICT.

THERE'S A GUY WHO PAINTS FLAGS ON THE SIDE OF BUILDINGS AND

有一個傢伙誰畫的旗幟上的建築物和

THINGS LIKET THAT, AND HE'S A TRUMP SUPPORTER, BUT HE SAID I

事情是這樣的，他是特朗普的支持者，但他說我

WOULD NEVER DO A CONFEDERATE FLAG BECAUSE I THINK THIS

我永遠不會做一個聯邦旗，因為我認為這。

COUNTRY SHOULD BE FOR EVERYONE, ALL THE IMMIGRANTS AND PEOPLE

國家應該是為所有人、所有移民和人民服務的。

SO I THOUGHT THINGS ARE NOT AS SIMPLE AND BLACK AND WHITE AS I

所以我覺得事情並不像我想象的那麼簡單和黑白分明

I HAD ALL THESE PRECONCEIVED IDEAS ABOUT STATEN ISLAND AND I

我對斯塔滕島有所有這些預知的想法，我...

>> James: I DO THINK IT'S OFTEN WORTH, WHENEVER YOU CAN,

>> 詹姆斯。我認為這往往是值得的，只要你能。

TO OPEN YOURSELF UP TO THOSE EXPERIENCES, TO THOSE

敞開自己的心扉，接受這些經驗，接受這些。

ENCOUNTERS, PARTICULARLY TODAY WITH THE WAY THAT WE CONSUME

對話，特別是今天我們的消費方式。

NEWS AND MEDIA, SOME OF IT CAN BE SO DIVISIVE, BUT, ACTUALLY,

新聞和媒體，它的一些可以如此分裂，但是，實際上，。

GOING TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE CAN REALLY BRING ABOUT A SENSE OF

去和人們說話可以真正帶來一種感覺。

>> YEAH, IT DEFINITELY CHANGED MYOPINIONS.

>> 是的，它確實改變了我的看法。

I THOUGHT, NO, THINGS WERE A LOT MORE NUANCED, A LOT MORE

我想，不，事情要複雜得多，複雜得多。

COMPLICATED THAN I THOUGHT THEY WERE, WHICH MAKES ME VERY

比我想象中的複雜，這讓我非常。

>> James: NOW, WE HAVE TO CALCULATE YOU ON AMERICAN UTOPIA

>> 詹姆斯：現在，我們要計算你在美國烏托邦的情況。

WHICH IS A FILM OF YOUR BROADWAY SHOW WHICH IS DIRECTED BY SPIKE

你的百老匯演出中，哪部電影是由SPIKE導演的？

FOR ANYONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW, EXPLAIN TO US WHAT THIS IS.

對於任何不知道的人，向我們解釋一下這是什麼。

>> IT'S A SHOW THAT EVOLVED OUT OF A CONCERT TOUR THAT WE DID.

>> 這是一場由我們的巡迴演唱會演變而來的演出。

WE TOOK IT TO BROADWAY AND I CHANGED IT, SO IT BECAME MORE OF

我們把它帶到了百老匯，我改變了它，所以它變成了更多的。

SO IT'S A CROSS BETWEEN A KIND OF BROADWAY STORY THING AND A

所以這是一個交叉的百老匯故事的東西和一個有點交叉的

EVERYBODY'S CARRYING THEIR INSTRUMENTS, SO WE CAN GO

每個人都帶著他們的儀器，所以我們可以去。

SO THE BAND AND I ARE CONSTANTLY IN MOTION, THE SET IS BASICALLY

所以我和樂隊一直在行動，這套房子基本上是。

EMPTY BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S CARRYING THEIR INSTRUMENTS

空蕩蕩的，因為每個人都帶著自己的儀器。

INSTEAD OF SITTING DOWN AND PLAYING THEM LIKE YOUR BAND

而不是像你的樂隊一樣坐下來演奏這些歌曲

IS -- ALTHOUGH YOUR BAND COULD PROBABLY MOVE AROUND, TOO, IF

是 - 雖然你的樂隊可能會移動，太，如果。

>> 詹姆斯。我們寧願他們不這樣做。

>> James: I SO WISH I'D GOT THE CHANCE TO HAVE SEEN THIS.

>> 詹姆斯。我真希望我有機會看到這個。

I MEAN, DOING COUNTLESS LIVE SHOWS DURING YOUR CAREER, YOU

我的意思是，在你的職業生涯中，做了無數次的現場表演，你。

KNOW, SOLO AND, OF COURSE, WITH "TALKING HEADS," HOW DIFFERENT

知道嗎，獨奏，當然，與 "會說話的頭"，如何不同的。

IS IT FOR YOU AS A PERFORMER DOING EIGHT SHOWS A WEEK TO A

你作為一個演員，一週做八場演出，是否適合你？

>> 好吧，這是一個有點不同的。

WHEN WE WERE ON CONCERT TOUR, THE AUDIENCES ARE THERE TO

當我們進行演唱會巡迴演出時，觀眾都是來聽的。

REALLY HAVE A GOOD TIME AND THEY'RE UP AND DANCING BY THE

真正有一個好的時間和他們起來，並在旁邊跳舞

BROADWAY CROWDS, THEY TAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONVINCING.

百老匯的觀眾，他們需要更多的說服力。

THEY HAVE COMFORTABLE SEATS, REALLY NICE SEATS THAT THEY PAID

他們有舒適的座位，真正的好座位，他們支付的費用。

A NICE PRICE FOR, AND, SO, THEY REALLY HAVE TO KIND OF SELL THEM

一個不錯的價格，所以，他們真的要賣掉它們。

THEY GO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET UP AND DANCE UNTIL

他們走了，你知道，我們不會起來跳舞，直到。

BUT I TOOK IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY, SO IT ALLOWS ME TO KIND OF -- US

但我把它作為一個機會， 所以它允許我有點 - 我們的。

TO KIND OF BUILD SLOWLY AND KIND OF FOR ME TO TALK TO THEM AND

某種程度上說，我可以慢慢地和他們交談，並進行某種程度的建設。

KIND OF GET TO KNOW THEM A LITTLE BIT BETTER, WHICH IS KIND

有點了解他們更好一點，這是善良的

OF AN INTERESTING THING, BECAUSE BROADWAY AUDIENCES USUALLY DON'T

一個有趣的事情，因為Broadway的觀眾通常不。

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從吳曉波到特朗普，大衛-拜恩征服了斯坦頓島。 (From Wu to Trump, David Byrne Conquered Staten Island)

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