>> THANK YOU, JAMES.

>> 謝謝你，詹姆斯。

>> James: IT IS SO NICE TO SEE YOU.

>> 詹姆斯。很高興見到你。

IT IS LOVELY TO SEE YOU ANY DAY BUT PARTICULARLY TODAY WHERE IN

很高興每天都能見到你，但特別是今天在哪裡？

IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT.

是很多事情要談的。

BUT FIRST OFF, HOW ARE YOU.

但首先，你怎麼樣。

HOW IS EVERYONE IN THE FAMILY, ARE YOU ALL OKAY?

家裡的人都怎麼樣了，你們都還好嗎？

>> WE ARE ALL OKAY THANK YOU JAMES.

>> 我們都還好，謝謝你詹姆斯。

WE ARE SHELTERING NEXT TO EACH OTHER.

我們住在彼此的隔壁。

WE HAVE BEEN TOGETHER SINCE MID MARCH AND EVERYBODY IS STILL

我們從3月中旬開始就在一起了，但每個人都還在。

ALIVE.

活著。

AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE DAY, OUR DOGS ARE FINE,

我們能夠度過一天，我們的狗都很好。

EVERYTHING IS GOING ALL RIGHT.

一切都很順利。

>> James: GOOD, I'M THRILLED TO HEAR THAT.

>> 詹姆斯。很好，我很高興聽到這個消息。

NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT LAST NIGHT.

現在讓我們來談談昨晚的事。

SO THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN,

所以，副總統比登之間的第一次總統辯論。

PRESIDENT TRUMP, SET THE SCENE FOR ME, WHAT IS DEBATE NIGHT

川普總統，給我安排一下，什麼是辯論之夜？

LIKE IN THE CLINTON HOUSEHOLD?

就像在克林頓家裡一樣？

>> WELL FOR US LAST NIGHT IT WAS KIND EVER A DEPARTURE BECAUSE

>> 對我們來說，昨天晚上，它是個不錯的離開，因為：

WE'D DONE A LOT OF DEBATES BETWEEN THE TWO OF US.

我們兩個人之間已經進行了很多辯論。

AND YOU KNOW, WE NOW WERE OBSERVERS LIKE THE VAST MAJORITY

你知道，我們現在是觀察者，像大多數人一樣。

OF MACIALG WHO WAS WATCHING.

監視著的麥卡勒格的人。

AND IT WAS NERVE-RACKING, JAMES.

它是神經緊張，詹姆斯。

OBVIOUSLY I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO HELP JOE BIDEN AND KAMALA

顯然，我正在盡我所能幫助喬-比登和卡馬拉

HARRIS TO WIN.

HARRIS要贏。

AND I DO HAVE THE UNIQUE EXPERIENCE OF HAVING SHARED A

而我確實有分享過的獨特體驗。

DEBATE STAGE THREE TIMES WITH DONALD TRUMP.

與唐納德-特朗普的三次辯論舞臺。

AND I KNOW THAT HE WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING AS WE SAW AGAIN

我知道他一定會像我們看到的那樣，做任何事或說任何話。

LAST NIGHT.

最後一晚。

SO IRWAS WATCHING BUT EVERY SO OFTEN I WOULD KIND OF BE

所以我在看，但每一次我都會有點。

CRINGING OR GO OH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF DRAMATIC MOMENTS AND

叮叮噹噹的還是要走的 哦，你知道，很多戲劇性的時刻，而且。

THERE WERE A COUPLE OF TIMES I JUST HAD TO GET UP AND WALK

有幾次我不得不站起來走了走

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW T IS VERY SAD TO THINK THAT WE'RE HAVING THE

因為，你知道嗎，想到我們正在進行的是一個非常悲傷的事情。

MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION IN MAYBE OUR HISTORY COMING UP, AND THE

可能是我們歷史上最重要的一次選舉即將到來，以及我們的歷史。

PRESIDENT ONE OF THE TWO CANDIDATES CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO

主席 兩位候選人中的一位無法被說服

ANSWER THE QUESTION, TO PUT FORWARD ANY KIND OF A GENDA FOR

回答問題，提出任何形式的基因組，以利未來的發展。

THE FUTURE, IT'S ALL INSULT AND ATTACKS AND BRAG DOSEIO, IT WAS

未來，它是所有的侮辱和攻擊和BRAG DOSEIO，它是。

SAD, JAMES.

薩德，詹姆斯。

I MEAN IT WAS MADDENING AND SAD AT THE SAME TIME.

我的意思是，它是令人發狂和悲傷的同時。

AND I JUST HEARD THAT THE DEBATE COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO

我剛剛聽說，辯論委員會將不得不。

CHANGE THE RULES BECAUSE HE JUST WOULDN'T STOP INTERRUPTING.

改變規則，因為他只是不會停止干擾。

I THOUGHT BIDEN KEPTS HIS COOL WHICH IS HARD.

我想比登保持冷靜，這是很難的。

KEPT STAIRING RIGHT AT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO THOSE

在那些美國人的眼中，他們一直在樓梯上。

CMERAS, INTO THOSE LIVING ROOMS TRYING TO SAY HERE IS WHAT HE

CMERAS，進入這些客廳，想說這是他的。

WOULD DO ABOUT COVID AND ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND ABOUT CLIMATE

氣候變化問題的報告。

CHANGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

變化和其他的事情。

SO I THOUGHT ON BALANCE YOU KNOW JOE DID FINE.

所以我想在平衡上，你知道喬做得很好。

AND TRUMP DEMONSTRATED HOW OUT OF CONTROL HE IS AND I JUST

和特朗普展示了他是如何失控，我只是

WORRY ABOUT WHAT THE NEXT MONTH IS GO BE TO BE LIKE.

擔心下個月會是什麼樣子。

>> WE ALL OF US ARE HAVING THOSE FEELINGS.

>> 我們都有這樣的感覺。

BUT HONESTLY HEARING YOU TALK ABOUT IT IS I THINK MAWKING

但老實說，聽到你說起它，我覺得是在做一件事

CERTAINLY A LOT OF US FEEL MUCH BETTER.

肯定有很多人感覺更好。

STUCK AROUND, MORE WITH SECRETARY CLINTON WHEN WE COME

繞來繞去，等我們來了再和克林頓談更多的事情

BACK.

返回。

NOW SECRETARY CLINTON YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON ON EARTH WHOSE

現在，克林頓，你是世界上唯一的一個

FACED TRUMP ONE-ON-ONE APPROXIMATE IN A DEBATE.

在辯論中面對特朗普一對一的近似。

I THINK WE ALL KNEW THAT THINGS WOULD GETS HEATED.

我想我們都知道事情會被炒熱。

WHEN YOU WERE WATCHING JOE BIDEN WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE HIM

當你看到喬-比登的時候，你會給他什麼建議？

IN THOSE MOMENTS.

在這些時刻，

>> I ACTUALLY DID GIVE ADVICE TO THE CAMPAIGN, TO HIS DEBATE

>> 我確實向競選人提供了建議，向他的辯論提供了建議。

TEAM, ITS WITH SOME OF THE VERY SAME PEOPLE THAT I WORKED WITH.

團隊，我是和一些和我一起工作的人在一起。

AND YOU CANNOT LET TRUMP KNOCK YOU OFF YOUR GAME.

你也不能讓特朗普把你打發了。

NOW HE WILL AS WE SAW LAST NIGHT, AS WE SAW IN MY DEBATES

現在他要像我們昨晚看到的那樣，像我們在我的辯論中看到的那樣，

WITH HIM, TRY TO DOMINATE, TRY TO INTERRUPT, TRY TO CONTROL

與他一起，試圖統治，試圖干擾，試圖控制。

WHATEVER THE TELEVISION IS.

無論電視是什麼。

AND SO YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY FOCUSED AND VERY DISCIPLINED

所以你必須非常專注，非常謹慎。

ABOUT NOT GETTING TOTALLY OFF THE RESERVATION ALL THE TIME

關於不完全離開保留地的所有時間。

BECAUSE HE'LL ATTACK YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF YOUR ANSWERING A

因為他會在你回答問題的過程中攻擊你。

QUESTION, TOTALLY AGAINST THE RULES.

問題，完全違背了規則。

AND YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION BUT YOU

你想繼續回答你的問題，但你...

DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE YOU ARE AVOIDING HIS, I THOUGHT BIDEN

我不想讓人覺得你在躲避他，我以為是比登

DID A GOOD JOB TRYING TO KEEP HIS BALANCE, IN THE FACE OF THAT

做了一個很好的工作，試圖保持他的平衡， 在面對這一點。

90 MINION SLAWT.

90 MINION SLAWT.

I MEAN EVEN CHRIS WALLACE AS YOU KNOW IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST

我是說即使是克里斯-沃利斯，你也知道他是最難對付的人之一。

NEWSCASTERS.

新聞報刊：

CERTAINLY NO PUSHOVER.

絕對不推諉。

AND HE WAS LIKE OVERWHELMED BY THE JUST FUSE LADGE OF INSULTS

而他就像被導火線的侮辱所壓倒了一樣

AND INTERRUPTION THAT YOU HEARD FROM TRUMP.

以及你從特朗普那裡聽到的干擾。

IN FACT IT LOOKED LIKE THE DEBATE COMMISSION IS GOING TO

事實上，它看起來像辯論委員會將去。

CHANGE THE RULES.

改變規則。

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TRUMP WILL AVOID BY THEM BUT THEY WILL TRY

我不知道特朗普是否會避開他們，但他們會嘗試的。

TO GIVE THE MODERATORS MORE CONTROL.

給予溫和派更多的控制權。

MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A KILL SWITCH ON THE MIC.

也許他們會在麥克風上有一個殺傷開關。

MAYBE THEY WILL HAVE A BUTTON TO PUSH AND THE FLOOR DROPS OUT.

也許他們會有一個按鈕，按一下，地板就會掉下來。

I DON'T KNOW, BUT SOMETHING.

我不知道，但有些事情。

>> James: SO MY WORRY WITH THE KILL SWITCH WITH KNOCKING

>> 詹姆斯。所以，我的擔心與殺開關與敲擊。

SOMEONE'S MICROPHONE IS YOU HAVE TO THEN KNOCK OUT JOE BIDEN'S

有人的手機是你必須然後敲出喬-比登的。

MICROPHONE WHICH GIVES DONALD TRUMP BASICALLY 2 MINUTES TO

給唐納德-特朗普基本的2分鐘的微型電話，以。

JUST LIE.

只是說謊。

AND UNLESS THE MODERATOR STEPS IN AND SAYS THAT ISN'T TRUE,

除非主持人出面說那不是真的。

THAT IS FALSE, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD THAT WHAT

那是假的，我希望那是記錄在案的，什麼？

YOU VUS SAID IS A LIE, WHAT ITIVE GOES HIM IS THAT HE ALSO

你說的是謊話，他的優點是，他也是在撒謊

THEN GETS TWO MINUTES OF ABSOLUTE FREEDOM TO JUST JUST

然後得到了兩分鐘的絕對自由，只是只是

LIE ABOUT IT.

對它說謊。

>> WELL, I KNEW HE WOULD LIE.

>> 我就知道他會撒謊。

HE'S INCAPABLE OF NOT LYING.

他不可能不說謊。

HE HAS MADE HIS CAREER ON THE BASIS OF LIES ABOUT HIS WEALTH.

他的事業是建立在對他的財富撒謊的基礎上的。

WE NOW KNOW ABSOLUTELY DEFINITIVELY SOMETHING THAT I

我們現在知道了絕對肯定的東西，我。

SAID BACK IN 2016, HE'S NOT AS RICH AS HE CLAIMS.

說早在2016年，他並不像他宣稱的那樣富有。

HE DOESN'T PAY INCOME TAX AND EVERYTHING ELSE WE'VE LEARNED.

他不交所得稅和其他我們學過的東西。

SO LYING IS NOT JUST SECOND, IT'S FIRST NATURE TO DONALD

所以說謊對唐納德來說不僅是第二位的，而且是第一位的。

TRUMP.

特朗普：

AND WHAT IS SO REGRETTABLE IS MANY MILLIONS OF PEOPLE TEURNED

而最令人遺憾的是，有幾百萬人被扣留。

IN.

IN：

A LOT OF AMERICANS MADE UP ITS MIND BUT THERE STILL TRULY ARE

很多美國人都下定決心，但還是有很多人。

UNDECIDED PEOPLE, NOT JUST ABOUT WHO THEY WILL VOTE FOR BUT

未決定的人，不僅僅是要投票給誰，而是要投票給誰。

WHETHER THEY WILL VOTE.

他們是否會投票。

AND I THINK THAT IF THEY WERE TO WATCH THAT, AND JUST FEEL SO

我想，如果他們看了這段話，就會感覺到...

ALIENATED FROM YOU KNOW, THE BEHAVIOR ON STAGE, YOU SEE IT AS

從你知道的，在舞臺上的行為，你認為它是疏離的

AN ASSAULT ON OUR ELECTION.

對我們選舉的攻擊。

YOU SEE IT AS AN ASSAULT ON OUR DEMOCRACY, EVEN MORE THAN AN

你認為這是對我們的民主制度的攻擊，甚至比對我們的民主制度的攻擊更甚。

ASSAULT ON JOE BIED ENAND I'M THE MODERATOR.

攻擊喬-比埃德-埃南德，我是節制者。

IT'S GOT TO BE TROUBLING AND DISCOURAGING TO MANY PEOPLE WHO

這一定會讓很多人感到困擾和沮喪。

TUNED IN.

調入。

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO COME UP

所以我不知道委員會會想出什麼辦法。

WITH, JAMES.

與，詹姆斯。

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TECHNIQUE THEY'RE GOING TO TRY.

我不知道他們要嘗試什麼技術。

IT REALLY TAKES A VERY TOUGH MINDED MODERATOR NOT TO BE

思想非常頑固的改良者才能不被淘汰。

OVERRUN BY TRUMP'S CONSTANT BULLYING BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY

被特朗普的不斷欺凌所淹沒，因為這才是真正的。

WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT.

我們昨晚看到了什麼。

WE SAW A MEAN BULLY WHO KNOWS HE'S LOSING AND IS GOING TO TAKE

我們看到了一個卑鄙的惡棍，他知道他輸了，並打算採取。

EVERYBODY DOWN WITH HIM IF WE LET HIM.

如果我們允許的話，每個人都會和他一起倒下。

SO I THINK THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE CREATIVE

所以，我認為委員會必須要有創造性。

AND WHOEVER THE NEXT MODERATE CERTIFICATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO

而下一個中級證書的人將會有。

BE WILLING TO ENFORCE WHATEVER THE NEW RULES ARE.

願意執行任何新規則。

> I THOUGHT VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN WAS AT HIS MOST EFFECTIVE

> 我覺得比登副總統是在他最有效的時候

IN THE MOMENTS THAT HE CHOSE TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN

在他選擇直接向美國人發表講話的時候。

PEOPLE, WHEN HE SAID IT'S NOT ABOUT MY FAMILY, IT'S NOT ABOUT

人們，當他說這不是關於我的家人，這不是關於... ...

YOUR FAMILY, IT'S ABOUT YOUR FAMILY AND THAT IS WHAT IT IS

你的家庭，這是關於你的家庭，這就是它。

ABOUT AND HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THAT.

而他並不關心這些。

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS LIKE HE WAS AT HIS MOST EFFECTIVE.

我覺得這就像他在最有效的時候一樣。

AND I FEEL LIKE IF HE CAN STICK TO THAT, IF HE CAN STICK TO THE

我覺得如果他能堅持下去，如果他能堅持下去。

NOTION THAT HE IS OF THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE, THEN HIS MESSAGE

他是為人民服務的，那麼他的資訊也是為人民服務的

HAS A PURITY TO IT.

有一種純淨的感覺。

I MEAN YOU IS SPEAK THERE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HIS FINANCES, HIS

我的意思是，你在那裡說的是，你知道的，他的資金，他的

TAXES.

稅款：

AND THEN EVEN NOW IN HIS PRESIDENCY, HIS LACK OF

現在，即使是在他的總統任期內，他的缺乏

LEADERSHIP IN THE RESPONSE TO THE COVID CRISIS, THERE ARE SO

應對克里米亞危機的上司能力，有這麼多的人在這裡。

MANY THINGS.

很多事情。

I FEEL LIKE WEEKLY ON THIS SHOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TENS OF

我覺得每週在這個節目中，我們都在談論幾十個人。

TIMES THAT HE HAS COME UP SHORT OR LIED.

他出現不足或撒謊的次數。

WHY DO YOU THINK THAT NONE OF THESE REVELATION SEEM TO SWAY

為什麼你認為這些啟示都沒有動搖呢？

HIS COMMITTED SUPPORT ERRED?

他的承諾支持出錯了？

>> WELL, I THINK THAT HE HAS A HARD-CORE OF SUPPORT.

>> 我認為他得到了大量的支持。

IT IS NOW IN THE LOW 40% RANGE.

現在是在低40%的範圍內。

AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO FOR A COMBINATION OF REASONS, JAMES,

而這些人出於各種原因，詹姆斯，

ARE DRAWN TO A STYLE OF LEADERSHIP THAT IS BULLYING.

被一種霸道的上司風格所吸引。

IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HOW THEY SEE THE WORLD AND THEIR

這與他們如何看待世界和他們的生活有關。

PLACE IN IT.

置身其中。

THEY ALSO FEEL LIKE HE'S ON THEIR SIDE WHEN IT COMES TO A

他們也覺得他是站在他們一邊的，當涉及到一個。

LOT OF THE CULTURAL ISSUES THAT UNFORTUNATELY HE HAS MADE VERY

很多文化問題，不幸的是，他已經做了非常。

DIVISIVE.

分化。

ONE OF THE WORST THINGS LAST NIGHT WAS TRUMP BASICALLY

昨天晚上最糟糕的事情之一是特朗普基本。

REFUSING TO DENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACY AND THEN GIVING A BIG

拒絕放棄白人至上的原則，然後大加讚賞。

SHOUT OUT TO THE PROUD BOYS WHICH IS A GANG OF TOUGHS WHO ET

喊出驕傲的男孩，這是一個幫派的粗糙誰ET

BOO UP PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH THEM POLITICALLY.

因為人們在政治上不同意他們的觀點，所以要給他們開除。

AND IT IS ALL TOO REMINISCENT OF WHAT AUTHOR-- AUTHORITARIAN

而這一切都太讓人想起什麼作家... ... AUTHORITARIAN的。

LEADERS HAVE DONE IN OTHER COUNTRIES, SO WHEN TRUMP WAS

領導人在其他國家都做過的事情，所以當特朗普當政的時候。

ASKED TO DISOWN THE PROUD BOYS, HE BASICALLY SAID OH, YOU KNOW,

當被問到要不要認清那些驕傲的男孩時，他基本上是說，哦，你知道的。

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