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  • ♪ >> STEPHEN: WELCOME BACK.

    歡迎回來。

  • JOINING ME TONIGHT IS AN N.Y.U.

    今晚和我一起的是一位紐約大學的學生。

  • LAW PROFESSOR AND FORMER LEAD PROSECUTOR IN THE OFFICE OF

    法學教授和前首席檢察官辦公室主任

  • SPECIAL COUNSEL ROBERT MUELLER.

    特別顧問ROBERT MUELLER.

  • HE HAS JUST WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION CALLED "WHERE

    他剛剛寫了一本關於 "哪裡 "的調查書。

  • LAW ENDS."

    法律結束。"

  • PLEASE WELCOME, ANDREW WEISSMANN.

    請歡迎,安德魯-魏斯曼。

  • MR. WEISSMANN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

    魏斯曼先生,非常感謝你能來這裡。魏斯曼,非常感謝你能來這裡。

  • >> NICE TO BE HERE.

    >> 很高興來到這裡。

  • >> Stephen: WELL, WHERE DOES THE LAW END?

    >> Stephen:那麼,法律的盡頭在哪裡?

  • ( LAUGHTER ) >> OKAY, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU

    (笑) >> 好吧,你有多少時間?

  • HAVE?

    有嗎?

  • SO THAT TILE COMES FROM A JOHN LAW QUOTE, ENGLISH PHILOSOPHER.

    所以那塊瓷磚來自一個約翰-羅的名言,英國哲學家。

  • >> Stephen: SURE.

    >> Stephen: SURE.

  • BUT THE MAIN REASON FOR IT SEX PERSONSING WHAT I

    但主要的原因是它的性愛人士什麼我

  • EXPERIENCED FOR 22 MONTHS -- WHAT I EXPERIENCED FOR 22 MONTHS

    22個月的經驗--我22個月的經驗是什麼?

  • INVESTIGATING THE PRESIDENT AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR.

    調查主席和總檢察長巴爾。

  • >> Stephen: THIS IS ABWHERE THE LAW ENDS.

    >> Stephen:這是法律結束的地方。

  • IS THE WHITE HOUSE ONE OF THEM?

    白宮是其中之一嗎?

  • >> THE WHITE HOUSE AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR PRESENTED A NUMBER

    >> 白宮和巴倫祕書長提出了一些建議。

  • OF OBSTACLES TO OUR INVESTIGATION, ABSOLUTELY.

    對我們調查的障礙,絕對是。

  • >> Stephen: A RECAP FOR THE PEOPLE WHO MAY NOT KNOW WHO YOU

    >> 斯蒂芬:給可能不知道你是誰的人的回顧

  • ARE.

    是:

  • YOU WERE ONE TO HAVE THE LEAD PROSECUTORS FOR THE MUELLER

    你曾是MUELLER案的主控檢察官之一

  • INVESTIGATION.

    調查:

  • FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS WE HEARD MUELLER'S NAME JUST ABOUT EVERY

    在過去的兩年裡,我們每隔一段時間就會聽到穆勒的名字。

  • DAY.

    天。

  • NOT ALWAYS YOURS BUT SOMETIMES YOURS.

    不一定是你的,但有時是你的。

  • A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, MUELLER, MUELLER, THE GUY WITH

    幾年後,MUELLER,MUELLER,那個帶著...

  • THE RUSSIA THING.

    俄羅斯的事情。

  • RIGHT?

    對吧?

  • WHAT JOB W WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO DO.

    你應該做什麼工作?

  • >> ROD ROSENSTEIN APPOINTED ROBERT MUELLER AS SPECIAL

    >> ROD ROSENSTEIN任命ROBERT MUELLER為特別顧問。

  • COUNSEL AND HE WAS SUPPOSED TO INVESTIGATE WHAT RUSSIA DID IN

    他被要求調查俄羅斯的所作所為。

  • TERMS OF INTERFERING WITH OUR ELECTION AND WHETHER THERE WAS

    干預我們選舉的條款以及是否有這種情況。

  • ANYBODY IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WHO PARTICIPATED IN THAT AND

    特朗普競選團隊中的任何一個人都參與了這一活動,並且

  • ALSO WHETHER THE PRESIDENT OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE.

    此外,主席是否妨礙了司法公正;

  • >> Stephen: OKAY.

    >> Stephen:好的

  • NOW, EARLY IN TE BOOK, YOU WRITE, QUOTE, AS PROUD AS I AM

    現在,在這本書的早期,你寫道:"像我一樣驕傲

  • OF THE WORK OUR TEAM DID, WE COULD HAVE DONE MORE.

    我們團隊所做的工作,我們本可以做得更多。

  • WHAT MORE COULD YOU HAVE DONE, AND IF YOU COULD HAVE DONE IT,

    你還能做什麼,如果你能做到的話。

  • WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT?

    你為什麼不這樣做?

  • >> TIMELY QUESTION BECAUSE WE ALL ARE READING THE "NEW YORK

    >> 適時的問題,因為我們都在看《紐約時報》。

  • TIMES" AND HEARING ABOUT FINISH NANCE -- ABOUT FINANCES OF THE

    時代",並聽取了關於《公約》的完成情況----關於《公約》的融資問題。

  • PRESIDENT, AND THAT'S AN AREA WHERE IT'S A LONG, COMPLICATED

    主席先生,這是㆒個長期而複雜的問題。

  • STORY, BUT IT WIL -- BUT ULTIMAT WE DID NOT DO A FULL

    故事,但它會 - 但最終我們沒有做一個完整的。

  • INVESTIGATION OF THE PRESIDENT'S FINANCES AND THERE ARE A LOT OF

    對主席的財務狀況進行調查,其中有大量的問題

  • UNANSWERED QUESTIONS THERE.

    未回答的問題在那裡。

  • >> Stephen: WHO DID HE OWE $420 MILLION TO?

    >> Stephen:他欠了誰4.2億?

  • WOULDN'T THAT HAVE BEEN HANDY, TO ASK THAT QUESTION?

    問這個問題不是很方便嗎?

  • >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

    >> 這是個好問題。

  • BUT HERE'S PARTLY THE REASON THERE WAS A DECISION NOT TO GO

    但這也是我們決定不去的部分原因。

  • THERE, AND THIS IS PRETTY TELLING, WHICH IS THE WHITE

    在那裡,這是很好的告訴,這是白色的。

  • HOUSE CALLED UP AND SAID ARE YOU LOOKING INTO THE FINANCES?

    家裡打來電話,說你在研究融資問題嗎?

  • THAT'S A RED LINE.

    這是一條紅線。

  • AND THE DECISION THE SPECIAL COUNSEL HAD TO MADE EARLY IN THE

    和特別顧問不得不早早做出的決定。

  • INVESTIGATION WAS DO YOU PUT THAT ASIDE FOR NOW AND PURSUE

    調查是你現在把它放在一邊,然後再繼續調查。

  • THE INVESTIGATION INTO OTHER THINGS, WHICH WAS INCREDIBLY

    對其他事情的調查,這是個極大的挑戰。

  • SUCCESSFUL, OR DO YOU JUST RISK GETTING FIRED RIGHT AT THE

    成功,還是冒著被炒魷魚的風險?

  • OUTSET?

    OUTSET?

  • >> Stephen: BUT, LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HOW TO

    >> 斯蒂芬:但是,聽著,我不知道怎麼去做。

  • RUN A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OR A NATIONAL SECURITY

    進行犯罪調查或國家安全調查。

  • INVESTIGATION, BUT IF A GUY IS ACCUSED OF MURDER AND SAYS, HEY,

    調查,但如果一個傢伙被指控謀殺,並說,嘿。

  • DON'T LOOK IN THE CRAWL SPACE, THAT IS CROSSING A RED LINE,

    不要看在RAWL空間,這是越過紅線。

  • DOESN'T THAT TELL YOU THAT THAT'S WHERE THE BODY IS BURIED?

    這難道不能告訴你這是埋葬屍體的地方嗎?

  • >> SO HUGE RED FLAG, AND WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS YOU KNOW

    >> 這麼大的紅旗,我們現在所處的位置你知道嗎?

  • FROM THE "NEW YORK TIMES" THAT THERE'S A HUGE AMOUNT OF

    從 "紐約時報 "的報道來看,有大量的...

  • UNEXPLAINED DEBT, AND YOU KNOW THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SAID I

    無法解釋的債務,你知道白宮說過,我...

  • DON'T WANT ANYONE INVESTIGATING IT.

    不希望任何人調查它。

  • AND YOU KNOW ONE MORE THING WHICH IS THEY'RE FIGHTING LIKE

    你知道還有一件事,就是他們像在打架一樣。

  • CRAZY NOT TO TURN OVER ACCOUNTING RECORDS.

    瘋狂的不交會計記錄。

  • SO THIS SEEMS TO BE AS AN INVESTIGATOR, YOU KNOW, MY MY AN

    所以,這似乎是作為一個調查員,你知道的,我的安。

  • ANTENNAE ARE UP.

    天線是了。

  • >> Stephen: I ASSUME THEY MUST HAVE BEEN UP WHEN THEY SAID

    >> 史蒂芬:我猜他們說這話的時候一定已經起床了。

  • THAT'S A RED LINE.

    這是一條紅線。

  • DID YOU GUYS BUTT HEADS OVER WHETHER YOU SHOULD, A, GO FOR

    你們是否在是否應該,A,去的問題上爭論不休?

  • THE FINANCES AND, B, AS RESPECTABLY AS POSSIBLE HAUL THE

    融資和,B,儘可能地拉動。

  • PRESIDENT IN BY THE SCRUFF OF THE NECK AND PUT HIS HAND ON A

    主席抓住他的脖子,把他的手放進了他的口袋裡。

  • LITTLE BLACK BOOK AND SAY DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH?

    小黑書和說你發誓說真話嗎?

  • >> ONE OF BOB MUELLER'S LINES IS WE'RE HERE TO DEFEND DEMOCRACY,

    >> BOB MUELLER的一句話是:我們是來捍衛民主的。

  • NOT TO PRACTICE IT.

    不去實踐它。

  • HE WOULD HEAR FROM EVERYBODY BUT THEN HE MADE THE JUDGMENT CALLS

    他要聽取所有人的意見,但他卻做出了判斷。

  • ABOUT WHAT TO DO.

    關於該怎麼做。

  • >> Stephen: OH, OKAY.

    >> Stephen:哦,好吧。

  • S THE DEMOCRACY THAT THEY'RE NOT PRACTICING IS THAT THE

    他們沒有實行的民主制度是:

  • SPECIAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE IS NOT A DEBATING SOCIETY, HE ACTUALLY

    特別顧問辦公室不是辯論協會,他實際上是

  • JUST GETS TO MAKE THE DECISION AT THE END OF THE DAY.

    只是要在一天結束時做出決定。

  • >> EXACTLY.

    >> 正是如此。

  • >> Stephen: WAS IT ALL JUST IF WE PUSH TOO FAR HE'LL KILL THE

    >> Stephen:如果我們推得太遠,他就會殺了我們。

  • INVESTIGATION?

    調查?

  • >> THERE WAS THAT.

    >> 有這樣的。

  • THAT WAS A PIECE OF IT.

    那是它的一部分。

  • THERE WAS A CONCERN -- I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MAIN PIECE

    有一個擔心 -- 我想這可能是主要的部分。

  • OF IT IS DOING THAT, AND THEN THERE'S A CONCERN OF NO GETTING

    它是這樣做的,然後有一個擔心的沒有得到

  • INTO -- NOT GETTING INTO A PROTRACTED LEGAL FIGHT THAT

    陷入 - 不得到一個拖延的法律戰,

  • COULD TAKE YEARS BECAUSE, AS YOU'VE SEEN, THE PRESIDENT IS

    可能需要幾年的時間,因為,你已經看到了,總統是。

  • QUITE LITIGIOUS.

    撤除LITIGIOUS。

  • >> Stephen: RIGHT.

    >> Stephen:右邊。

  • IN RETROSPECT, HOW MUCH DID THAT TAKE THE TEETH OUT OF THE

    回想起來,這要花多少錢才能把牙齒取出來?

  • INVESTIGATION IF, AS YOU GOT CLOSER TO THINGS THAT YOU

    調查如果你更接近你的東西,你就會發現,你是一個很好的人。

  • THOUGHT PERHAPS HAD SOME INFORMATION THAT YOU NEEDED, YOU

    以為可能有一些你需要的資訊,你

  • HAD TO BACK AWAY BECAUSE THE GUY YOU WERE INVESTIGATING COULD

    因為你要調查的那個人可能會... ...

  • STOP YOU FROM DOING SO?

    阻止你這樣做?

  • IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN ODD INVESTIGATION, THOUGH, DOESN'T

    它只是看起來像一個奇怪的調查,但,不,不

  • GET TO FOLLOW THE FACTS.

    獲取跟隨事實。

  • >> SO I TOTALLY AGREE.

    >> 所以,完全同意。

  • TWO THINGS THAT ARE REALLY WORTH NOTING THAT MAKE THIS SO

    有兩件值得注意的事情,讓這一切變得如此重要。

  • DIFFERENT THAN WHEN I INVESTIGATED ENRON OR EVEN

    和我調查埃隆或甚至是埃隆的時候不同

  • ORGANIZED CRIME WHICH IS THAT THE PERSON THAT WE WERE

    有組織的犯罪,這就是我們被的人。

  • INVESTIGATING HAD THE POWER TO FIRE US, AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE

    調查有權力解僱我們,他們也有權力。

  • POWER TO PARDON PEOPLE, MEANING THAT IT WAS VERY HARD TO GET

    赦免人的權力,意思是說,這很難得到

  • PEOPLE TO COOPERATE BECAUSE HE COULD JUST DANGLE A PARDON THAT

    人們合作,因為他可以只吊一個赦免,

  • WOULD DETER THEM.

    會嚇到他們的。

  • BUT THE REASON I WROTE THE BOOK IS TO SORT OF LAY OUT THE ISSUES

    但我寫這本書的原因是想把問題列出來。

  • AND ALSO THE DISAGREEMENTS INTERNALLY AS TO WHAT WE DID SO

    還有內部對我們所做的事情的分歧。

  • THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE A SORT OF CANDID DISCUSSION ABOUT THE

    人們會對這個問題進行某種程度的討論。

  • INVESTIGATION AND ALSO THINK ABOUT IS THIS THE WAY WE WANT

    調查,同時也要考慮這是不是我們想要的方式。

  • THINGS TO WORK IN THE FUTURE.

    未來工作的事情。

  • >> Stephen: NOW, BOB MUELLER HAS RECENTLY PUSHED BACK NOT

    >> Stephen:現在,BOB MUELLER最近推掉了不屬於他的那份工作。

  • VIOLENTLY, BUT HE HAS SAID -- I DON'T THINK HE CALLED YOU UP BY

    暴力,但他說 - 我不認為他打電話給你了,由

  • NAME, BUT I THINK HE SAID THAT YOU WERE, QUOTE -- HMM, HMM,

    名稱,但我想他說,你是,報價 - 嗯,嗯。

  • HMM, HMM, HMM -- INCOMPLETE INFORMATION?

    HMM,HMM,HMM--不完整的資訊?

  • IS THAT WHAT HE DESCRIBED AS INCOMPLETE INFORMATION?

    這就是他所說的不完整的資訊嗎?

  • >> YEAH.

    >> 是的。

  • >> Stephen: DO YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT?

    >> Stephen:你知道他在說什麼嗎?

  • WHAT YOU PERHAPS WERE NOT PRIVY TO?

    你可能不喜歡什麼?

  • >> WELL, OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW, BY

    >> 好吧,很明顯,如果它是什麼我不知道,由。

  • DEFINITION, I CAN'T SAY WHAT IT IS THAT I DON'T KNOW.

    定義,我不能說我不知道的是什麼。

  • BUT IT'S CERTAINLY THE CASE THAT I CAN'T SAY THAT I KNOW

    但這肯定是我不能說我知道的事實

  • EVERYTHING.

    所有的事情。

  • BUT, YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO GIVE A TRUTHFUL, CANDID RECITATION OF

    但是,你知道,我試著給一個真實的,可信的朗誦的

  • THE FACTS I DID KNOW.

    我所知道的事實。

  • >> Stephen: WHEN WE COME BACK, ANDREW WEISSMANN AND HIS TEAM'S

    >> Stephen:當我們回來的時候,安德魯-魏斯曼和他的隊員們。

  • REACTION TO BILL BARR'S FOUR-PAGE SUMMARY OF THEIR

    對BILL BARR四頁摘要的反應。

  • REPORT.

    報告:

  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

    我們馬上回來。

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