Talk to me.

跟我說說

Don't make me be this guy today.

不要讓我今天成為這個人。

You're gonna make me be this guy today.

你今天要讓我成為這個人。

He can't do it in one world.

他在一個世界裡做不到。

Siri's.

Siri的。

I'm sorry he could get the monkey off his back in a way, but he can't do it in just one world.

很抱歉，他可以用一種方式讓猴子脫身，但他不能只在一個世界裡做。

Siri's understand Clayton Kershaw has the lowest e r a.

Siri的瞭解克萊頓克肖有最低的e r a。

Ever like you have to go back to the dead ball era.

曾經像你要回到死球時代。

In the modern era of all starting pitchers, he has the lowest career.

在現代所有先發投手中，他的職業生涯最低。

E r A.

E r A.

You know what that means?

你知道這意味著什麼嗎？

He's the best, really.

他是最好的，真的。

It short and you could look the quality of his prime of his very best matches up with the elite primes like Sandy Koufax or Pedro Martinez or anyone you want to mention.

它短，你可以看他的品質他的最好的他的最好的匹配與精英primes像桑迪-庫法克斯或佩德羅-馬丁內斯或任何人你想提。

Except he had more longevity at a high level than those guys did.

只是他在高位上的壽命比那些人要長。

And he's still going.

而且他還在走。

He should be going down as the greatest starting pitcher ever.

他應該會成為史上最偉大的先發投手。

He's not why.

他不是為什麼。

Look, he has.

你看，他已經。

He goes from a to 43 all time greatest Diarra in the regular season.

他在常規賽中從一個到43歷史最偉大的迪亞拉。

It balloons in the postseason and in each successive, uh, divisional Siri's it gets Siri's, the deeper you go.

它在季後賽中會膨脹，在每一個連續的，呃，師的Siri的，它得到Siri的，你走的越深。

It got higher finally, because he pitched six innings with a run last night.

終於高了，因為他昨晚投了六局，得了一分。

His world, Siri's er a still over 4.5 is a little bit lower than his NLCS e r A.

他的世界，Siri的er a仍然超過4.5比他的NLCS e r A低一點。

Which is close to five.

這接近於五。

Right, let me tell you how to think about Clayton Kershaw, and I'm so glad he pitched well.

對了，讓我告訴你如何看待克萊頓-克肖，我很高興他投得好。

I don't have to criticize him for the way he pitched yesterday, and because of this, the Dodgers have a chance to win the World Series.

我沒有必要責備他昨天的投球方式，正因為如此，道奇隊有機會贏得世界大賽。

Koufax won four, but really to is a study ace Valenzuela 11 Hershey's or 11 because they were all big under pressure.

庫法克斯贏了四場，但真正到是研究王牌瓦倫祖拉11賀喜的還是11場，因為他們都是壓力下的大。

Great world.

偉大的世界。

Siri's pictures.

Siri的照片。

The Dodgers haven't won in this era so far because their ace hasn't been that.

道奇隊在這個時代至今還沒有贏過，因為他們的王牌還沒有那麼厲害。

But let me tell you how to think of Kershaw.

但讓我告訴你如何看待克肖。

He's Peyton Manning.

他是佩頓-曼寧。

Peyton.

佩頓

Did Peyton Manning silenced the critics?

佩頓-曼寧讓批評者沉默了嗎？

Well, in a way, yes, because he wound up winning two Super Bowls and one is a stud, still right, So he silenced the critics in the sense that he couldn't win it all.

好吧，在某種程度上，是的，因為他最終贏得了兩個超級碗，而且一個是一個種馬，仍然是正確的，所以他沉默的批評家在他不能贏得所有的意義上。

He couldn't win the big game.

他贏不了大場面。

He did.

他做到了。

But who rates Peyton Manning the greatest quarterback of all time No.

但誰評價佩頓-曼寧是史上最偉大的四分衛No.

One, and he was in the regular season.

一，他在常規賽。

Peyton Manning was probably the best player who ever lived.

佩頓-曼寧可能是有史以來最好的球員。

But in those serious football conversation about the greatest quarterbacks ever, no one ever brings up Peyton Manning anymore because the body of work when it mattered most didn't justify it.

但在那些嚴肅的足球話題中，關於史上最偉大的四分衛，再也沒有人提起過佩頓-曼寧，因為最重要的時候身體的工作並不能證明它的存在。

He got the monkey off his back with those Super Bowls, but it doesn't erase all the futility that led up to it.

他用那幾個超級碗讓猴子脫胎換骨，但這並不能抹去之前所有的徒勞。

And I'm afraid of this moment.

而我害怕這一刻。

The same is true with Clayton Kershaw.

克萊頓-克肖也是如此。

I don't think that all gets undone with one or two great world.

我想，這一切並不是一兩個大世界就能解決的。

Siri's games pitched, and it was an excellent game last night.

Siri的遊戲投稿，昨晚的比賽很精彩。

Well, the good news that I'm gonna provide Jeff Passan is that I'm not going to try to be the expert here and going that long soliloquy.

好了，好消息是我要提供給傑夫-帕森的是，我不會試圖成為這裡的專家，並去那麼長的獨白。

I don't need to do that.

我不需要這樣做。

I'll leave that to him.

我把這個問題留給他。

You can.

你可以。

You can.

你可以。

You're not.

你不是

But that's all right about it.

但這都是關於它的權利。

You're actually not.

其實你不是。

Here's the reality.

這就是現實。

You're really not in the end Indian.

你到底是不是真的印度人。

Excuse me?

你說什麼？

A lot of people know baseball.

很多人都知道棒球。

I just said you're not the expert.

我只是說你不是專家。

I didn't say you don't know baseball is the deal with.

我沒有說你不知道棒球是與交易。

The reality is, there you go.

現實是，你去。

Thank you.

謝謝你了

Here's the point of the matter.

這就是問題的關鍵所在。

Kershaw has had exceptional World Series or postseason performances.

克肖在世界大賽或季後賽中有過特殊的表現。

Not, as Er is.

不像他那樣。

Double is double in the postseason.

雙倍是季後賽中的兩倍。

It wasn't in the regular season, so you're not wrong in that regard.

這不是在常規賽，所以你在這方面沒有錯。

But it's not like what we saw last night we've never seen before.

但它不像我們昨晚看到的，我們從來沒有見過。

He performed against the Brewers, had a 13 strikeout performance he performed against the Astros in the World Series.

他在對陣釀酒人隊的比賽中，有13次三振的表現，他在世界系列賽中對陣太空人隊。

Haddon 11 strikeout performance.

哈登11次三振表現。

He's had games.

他有遊戲。

Here's where I differ from you, Max and this on its Onley In this one thing.

這就是我和你的不同之處，麥克斯和這個關於它的安利... ...在這一件事上。

If this were a Game seven with a championship on the line, obviously, because that's where the Game seven brings and you perform like that, I think that would go a long way towards eradicating all of those demons that have haunted him.

如果這是第七場比賽，冠軍在望，很顯然，因為第七場比賽帶來的就是這樣的表現，我想這對消除所有這些困擾他的惡魔會有很大的幫助。

The notion that excuse me one postseason is not going to do it.

不好意思一個季後賽的概念是做不到的。

I beg to differ.

我不敢苟同。

That's the only place you and I disagree.

這是你我唯一不同意的地方。

I'm saying that it's moments that count.

我想說的是，重要的是時刻。

Game one is not Game seven.

第一局不是第七局。

So you showing up in the World Series and performing in Game one, even though that's a big deal.

所以你出現在世界系列賽，並在第一場比賽中表演，儘管這是一個大問題。

Still, it ain't Game seven.

不過，這不是第七場比賽。

But if this were Game seven or that 11 strikeout performance against the Astros of the 13 strikeout performance against Milwaukee in the postseason that I brought up, if that was a Game seven, even though that's just one postseason, excuse me.

但如果這是第七場比賽，還是我提出的季後賽中對密爾沃基的13次三振表現中對太空人的11次三振表現，如果這是第七場比賽，儘管這只是一個季後賽，對不起。

Think about what it did for Bumgarner the way he performed.

想一想，這對布姆加納的表現有什麼好處。

Obviously, it wasn't just one game.

很顯然，這不僅僅是一場比賽。

He did it over several games and in the top postseason.

他在幾場比賽和頂級季後賽中都做到了。

I totally get it.

我完全明白了。

But what I'm saying is when he showed up on short rest in a Game seven and perform the way that he performed, that's what resonated with us.

但我想說的是，當他在第七場比賽中短暫休息時出現，並以他的方式進行表演，這才是我們的共鳴。

We'll hold on to that.

我們會堅持下去的。

And I think if Kershaw does something like that in the Game seven, I think people will view him entirely differently.

而我認為如果克肖在第七場比賽中做出這樣的事情，我想人們對他的看法會完全不同。

Floor's yours, Jeff.

地板是你的，傑夫。

May I just start by saying, God forbid, I'm ever compared to Peyton Manning in a negative way.

請允許我先說一句，上帝保佑，我曾經以負面的方式與佩頓-曼寧相比。

Real here.

這裡的真實。

If you end up being compared to Peyton Manning, Max and you're trying to frame it like that's a bad thing, your argument starting off in a really bad place here now, I'm also curious and you can answer this after after I'm done talking here, I'm also curious what the threshold is going to be for you to get off of the Clayton Kershaw can't pitch in October narrative that has pervaded the baseball world and in some regards fairly in some regards.

如果你最終被比作佩頓-曼寧，馬克斯，你試圖將它框定為一件壞事，你的論點開始在一個非常糟糕的地方現在，我也很好奇，你可以在我完成這裡的談話後回答這個問題，我也很好奇什麼是門檻，你要擺脫克萊頓-克肖不能在十月投球的敘述，已經滲透到棒球世界，在某些方面相當在某些方面。

Understandably.

可以理解。

But it's almost like if he can't do it this postseason, if you can't do it next postseason, when can he do it?

但這幾乎是說，如果這個季後賽他做不到，如果你下個季後賽做不到，他什麼時候能做到？

What's the threshold?

門檻是什麼？

Where is the point where you're going to start saying Clayton Kershaw is a big game picture?

你要從哪裡開始說克萊頓-克肖是一個大遊戲畫面？

Because, like Stephen, I said, there are some examples where Clayton Kershaw has pitched extraordinarily well in October.

因為，就像Stephen，我說過，有一些例子，Clayton Kershaw在10月份投得特別好。

There's also an important point, though, that I think needs to be made.

不過，還有一個重要的問題，我認為需要說明。

And it was illustrated last night.

而昨晚就說明了這一點。

Max Clayton Kershaw came out after only 78 pitches last night.

麥克斯-克萊頓-克肖昨晚只投了78球就出來了。

You look at yourself, you say 78 pitches.

你看看自己，你說78投。

What kind of a space gets pulled after 78 pitches?

78投之後，什麼樣的空間會被拉開？

What kind of stud goes out after 78 pitches?

什麼樣的種馬會在78投後出局？

He should be going out there.

他應該去那裡。

He should be thrown a complete game.

他應該被扔進一個完整的遊戲。

He should be.

他應該是。

You know, all these things that's fair.

你知道，所有這些事情都是公平的。

That's reasonable.

這是合理的。

But there are limitations that starting pitchers have at this point in the playoffs, you are facing lineups typically in the world, Siri's that are so good that grind you down so much that you know what Ah, six innings start in Modern baseball is considered pretty good.

但是在季後賽這個點上，先發投手是有侷限性的，你面對的陣容通常在世界範圍內，Siri們是如此的優秀，把你磨得很慘，你知道嗎啊，在現代棒球中，六局開局算是很不錯了。

And when you go look back at the foibles of Clayton Kershaw, Max, the ones that have ballooned his er a into the fours over the course of history in the postseason.

而當你去回顧克萊頓-克肖的缺點時，馬克斯，那些在季後賽的歷史過程中，已經將他的呃a膨脹成四人組的缺點。

Most of the damage has been done in the seventh inning because his managers had that trust in him.

大部分的傷害都是在第七局完成的，因為他的經理們對他有這種信任。

Had that faith in him sent him back out there, maybe when he shouldn't have gone out there.

曾對他有信心，讓他回到了那裡，也許在他不該出去的時候。

So if you wanna blame Clayton Kershaw for giving up those hits, those runs, those home runs, all the things that happened in those innings, I get it.

所以，如果你想責怪克萊頓-克肖 給出的那些命中率，那些運行，那些本壘打， 所有的事情發生在這些局，我明白了。

He did.

他做到了。

But in reality, I think some of what happened to him in October is due to those managers as well.

但實際上，我認為他在10月份發生的一些事情，也是由於那些經理人的原因。

Not recognizing that, you know, maybe we shouldn't rely on this guy quite so much.

沒有認識到，你知道，也許我們不應該這麼依賴這個傢伙。

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