My next guest is the chef and owner of the legendary

我的下一位客人是傳奇餐廳的主廚和老闆。

Shopsin's restaurant in the Essex Street Market

埃塞克斯街市場的Shopsin餐廳

right here in New York City.

就在這裡，在紐約市。

His new book is called

他的新書叫

"Eat Me: The Food and Philosophy of Kenny Shopsin".

"吃我。肯尼-索普森的食物和哲學"。

Please welcome Kenny Shopsin.

請歡迎Kenny Shopsin。

(audience cheering)

（觀眾歡呼）

How are you, Kenny?

你怎麼樣，肯尼？

Nice.

很好啊

Nice to meet you. Good to see you.

很高興見到你。很高興見到你。

Now, Kenny, what are we making today?

肯尼，我們今天要做什麼？

Pancakes.

煎餅。

Pancakes, all right.

煎餅，所有的權利。

And your pancakes are a little unusual.

而你的煎餅也有點不尋常。

They're not like pancakes that people would normally find.

它們不像一般人找到的煎餅。

How are they unusual?

他們是如何不尋常的？

I put a lot of different stuff in.

我放了很多不同的東西進去。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

Lets go ahead and do it.

讓我們去做吧。

Lets go ahead. It's alright.

我們走吧沒事的

(laughs) Okay. That's it.

（笑）好吧。這就是它。

All right, just bat me around as much as you like.

好吧，你愛怎麼打我就怎麼打吧。

Sure.

當然可以

So, and your pancakes, you add things, huh?

所以，你的煎餅，你加了東西，是吧？

Now this.

現在這個。

Oh, okay.

哦，好吧。

All right. A little bit, not too much.

好吧，有一點，不要太多。一點點，不要太多。

Maybe I should stop talking. (laughs)

也許我應該停止說話。（笑）

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

Alright, spread the butter around

好了，把黃油塗在周圍

like this? Yeah, it doesn't matter.

像這樣？是的，這並不重要。

Oh, okay.

哦，好吧。

Put a little bit, right there.

放一點，就在那裡。

All right, don't touch the...

好了，不要碰... ...

Ouch, its hot. Right here?

哎喲，好熱啊就在這裡？

Yeah, okay. Right, like that?

是啊，好吧。對，像這樣？

That's perfect, its enough.

很完美，夠了。

Alright well, I like laying a little bigger.

好吧好吧，我喜歡躺大一點。

There you go.

這就對了

So you say.

所以你說。

So, (laughs)

所以，（笑）

(audience laughs)

（觀眾笑）

I think you and I have a magical chemistry here.

我想你和我在這裡有一種神奇的化學反應。

(audience laughs)

（觀眾笑）

Put some of this in. What are you putting

放一些這個。你在放什麼？

on here?

在這裡？

Macaroni. You have your own macaroni, use your...

通心粉你有自己的通心粉，用你的...

You put macaroni on a pancake?

你把通心粉放在薄餅上？

Yeah.

是啊。

Okay, most people would not put macaroni

好吧，大多數人不會把通心粉...

on a pancake Kenny.

在煎餅肯尼。

Why macaroni?

為什麼是通心粉？

There was a kid that used to come in my place.

有一個孩子，曾經來我的地方。

Put a little cheese.

放一點奶酪。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

Peter, and every day he would have macaroni and cheese

彼得，每天他都會吃通心粉和奶酪。

or he'd have pancakes.

否則他就會吃煎餅。

And one day, he left it up to me.

有一天，他把它留給了我。

Right?

對吧？

And I said, yeah. I'll do him both, what the heck.

我說，是的。我就把他兩個都做了，管他呢。

So I just put 'em together.

所以我就把它們放在一起。

And that was it.

就是這樣。

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

So the kid couldn't decide

所以那孩子無法決定

between macaroni and cheese and pancakes.

介於通心粉和奶酪和煎餅之間。

And you said, you jammed them together

你還說，你把它們卡在一起

and it became a sensation.

併成為轟動一時的話題。

It was, yeah. It worked out really well.

這是，是的。它工作了真的很好。

And he had that every day after that forever.

之後他每天都有，永遠都有。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

This is something I was gonna do for you, a Conan burger.

這是我要為你做的事，一個柯南漢堡。

A Conan burger.

一個柯南漢堡。

Tell us what's on the Conan burger.

告訴我們柯南漢堡上有什麼？

It's a cheeseburger.

這是一個奶酪漢堡。

Little bit of sex appeal and some genius? (laughs)

一點點的性感魅力和一些天才？(笑)

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

I don't think I got that.

我想我沒聽懂

That's okay.

那就好

You wanna it turn over?

你想讓它轉過來嗎？

Turn it over?

把它翻過來？

You tell me you're the maestro right here.

你告訴我你是這裡的大師。

Okay, watch that. ♪ Summer high ♪

好吧，看那個。

Press it down a little bit.

往下壓一點。

Press it down?

把它壓下去？

You're allowed to press down.

你可以往下壓。

Okay, Preston,

好吧，普雷斯頓。

what does pressing do, does it released the natural oils?

壓榨的作用是什麼，是否會釋放出天然的油脂？

Well, actually, what happens is the cheddar cheese

事實上，發生的事情是切達乾酪。

that's on the bottom,

這是在底部。

Yeah. Crusts over,

是啊。殼了。

like that burnt cheese on a grilled cheese.

就像烤奶酪上的燒焦的奶酪。

Oh, good yeah.

哦，好是的。

And then the macaroni and the goo and the pancake

然後是通心粉、粘液和薄餅。

kind of get like nice and macaroni cheesy.

那種得到像漂亮的和通心粉的俗氣。

I like your technical terms.

我喜歡你的技術術語。

(audience laughing) Usually I use

(觀眾笑)通常我用的是

a different term, but they told me not to.

一個不同的術語，但他們告訴我不要。

Okay, (laughs)

好吧，（笑）

Well, I'm glad that someone talked to you beforehand.

好吧，我很高興有人事先跟你說了。

What am I doing? Why is a hamburger on this plate?

我在做什麼？為什麼這個盤子裡有個漢堡包？

What am I gonna do? That's something

我該怎麼做？這是個問題

I made for you, the Conan burger.

我為你做的，柯南漢堡。

The Conan burger, okay.

柯南漢堡，還好。

Oh, you're doing great, look at that.

哦，你做得很好，看那個。

Sometimes when it won't come up you turn it the other way.

有時候上不來的時候，你就把它反過來。

Yeah, okay. All right, yours... (laughs)

是的，好的。 - 好的，你的...好吧，你的...（笑）

Do you want a chisel for that there?

你要不要用鑿子鑿一下？

Are you gonna be okay?

你會沒事嗎？

There it is.

在那裡，它是。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

Take some more butter.

再拿一些黃油。

We gotta keep going there.

我們得繼續前進

Oh, sure, more butter.

哦，當然，更多的黃油。

All right. Why not just die today.

好吧。為什麼不今天就死了呢？

(audience laughs)

（觀眾笑）

Right there. You better get this off

就在那裡。你最好把這個拿掉

or it's gonna mess.

否則就會亂套。

Okay, get this off right here.

好了，把這個關在這裡。

Alright is this... Turn it over

好吧，這是...翻過來

and put it over there

放在那邊

Well over here.

好吧，在這裡。

Yeah. And you turn it over.

是的，然後你把它翻過來。你把它翻過來。

Oh, look at that. That looks actually...

哦，看那個。這看起來實際上...

Actually better than mine.

其實比我的好。

Wow, well there you go. Beginner's luck.

哇，好了，你去吧。新手的運氣。

You think so? So put down three more pancakes.

你覺得呢？那就再放下三張煎餅。

Three more, okay.

再來三個，好的。

What other kinds- I would say,

還有什麼其他種類--我想說。

about the same size because... Are we gonna make?

大約相同的大小，因為...我們要做嗎？

I don't know.

我不知道。

Okay, mine are those were little messy though.

好吧，我的是那些雖然有點亂。

That's it, no they're really nice.

就是這樣，不，他們真的很好。

Okay, and what do I do with this burger here?

好吧，那我怎麼處理這個漢堡？

Does that burger go on it ?

那個漢堡包能放上去嗎？

Just use your hands- Turn it over.

只要用你的手--翻過來。

If you want.

如果你想。

You're not really gonna eat it, are you?

你不會真的要吃吧？

Yeah, I was gonna eat it. I don't waste food.

是啊，我是要吃它。我不浪費食物。

Oh, really. You put a hamburger

哦，真的。你把一個漢堡包

in front of me, I eat it yeah.

在我面前，我吃它是的。

I washed my hands. Turn it over.

我洗了手。把它翻過來。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

Little salt and pepper.

少許鹽和胡椒粉。

All right. Okay, then what?

好吧，那怎麼辦？好吧，然後呢？

And put it in the pancake.

然後把它放在煎餅裡。

Oh, okay.

哦，好吧。

(audience laughing)

（觀眾笑）

Can't you make it at least seem a little harder than this?

你就不能至少讓它看起來比這個難一點嗎？

You make the pancake, you put it on top, you're all done.

你做了煎餅，把它放在上面，就可以了。

It's really not that tough.

真的沒有那麼難。

Put a few chocolate chips on one of your,

在你的一個人身上放幾塊巧克力片。

Chocolate chips with a hamburger

巧克力片配漢堡包

No, on two of your other ones.

不，在你的其他兩個。

Oh, okay, all right.

哦，好吧，好吧。

I thought you're gonna make- Although it's not-

我還以為你會做... 雖然不是...

Something crazy. A bad idea,

一些瘋狂的事情。一個壞主意。

Toll House burger.

收費站漢堡。

Alright, and what about the marshmallow?

好吧，那棉花糖呢？

Would you put the marshmallow on here?

你能把棉花糖放在這裡嗎？

We're gonna use that, were gonna use that.

我們要用這個，我們要用這個。

But first put some graham cracker crumbs on the two

但先在兩塊餅乾上放一些穀物餅乾屑。

with the chocolate chips.

與巧克力片。

These aren't pancakes you're making.

這不是你在做的煎餅。

These are gonna be s'mores.

這些都是要去s'mores。

These are candies you're making

這些是你做的糖果

S'mores! You're absolutely right.

S'mores!你說的很對

So this is, you put the graham cracker

所以，這是，你把格雷厄姆餅乾。

on top of the chocolate chips in the pancake.

在煎餅中的巧克力片上。

Yeah.

是啊。

All right, can I put--

好吧，我可以把...

In the meantime, you got to remember now to put the cheese

同時，你要記得把奶酪放在

on your, on your Conan burger.

在你的，在你的柯南漢堡。

Okay. All right.

好吧，好吧好了，好了

Okay, you really gonna serve this as the Conan burger

好吧，你真的要把這個當做柯南的漢堡嗎？

in your restaurant?

在你的餐廳？

You know, I have, my daughter bought me a printer

你知道，我有，我女兒給我買了一臺打印機。

for my birthday.

為我的生日。

Look at this menu. Can I show this menu to people at home?

看這個菜單。我可以把這個菜單給家裡的人看嗎？

Looking in here. Look, you've got hundreds.

在這裡尋找。你看，你已經得到了數百。

Oh look at that, it's on there.

哦，你看，它是在那裡。

Absolutely.

絕對的

In the tiniest font possible.

用最細小的字體。

Finally famous.

終於出名了。

You can barely see that.

你幾乎看不到這一點。

Come on, I even gave you a capital letter.

來吧，我甚至給你一個大寫的字母。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

Thank you so much.

非常感謝你。

Yeah, you're right, Conan burger.

是的，你說得對，柯南漢堡。

(audience cheering)

（觀眾歡呼）

We gotta get moving here.

我們得在這裡移動。

You know we're just about out of time here.

你知道我們的時間不多了。

What is this right here and can we use it?

這是什麼東西在這裡，我們可以使用它嗎？

What is this right here?

這是什麼？

Oh, we can make a peanut butter and jelly pancakes.

哦，我們可以做一個花生醬和果凍煎餅。

Okay, you make peanut butter and jelly pancakes.

好吧，你做花生醬和果凍煎餅。

Okay, were just about out of time.

好了，我們快沒時間了。

Put a few down. Oh, is that right?

放下一些。哦，是這樣嗎？

Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry.

是啊，是啊，我很抱歉。

You put one on yours, I'll put one on mine.

你放一個在你的，我放一個在我的。

Okay. All right.

好吧，好吧好了，好了

And then what do I do?

然後我該怎麼辦？

Shoot. Wait wait we gonna load it first.

拍。等等，我們要先把它裝起來。

What do I do?

我該怎麼辦？

Yeah, go ahead. Now its a like a grease gun.

是啊，繼續。現在它就像一把油槍。

All right and you...

好吧，你...

Keep pouring. That's enough.

繼續倒。足夠了

How much? That's disgusting.

多少錢？太噁心了

Yeah it is.

是的，它是。

And then I put jelly on this one right here

然後我把果凍放在這個上面，就在這裡

on the same thing?

在同一件事情上？

Yeah.

是啊。

Okay. Okay nothing's happening here.

好吧，好吧...好吧，什麼都沒有發生在這裡。

Same deal. The honkies go bonkies.

同樣的交易。鄉巴佬去邦基斯。

What's that?

那是什麼？

The honkies.

白鬼。

That's it, oh you're doing good.

就是這樣，哦，你做得很好。

Yeah, this is, (audience cheering)

是啊，這是，（觀眾歡呼）。

Am I Art Carney or am I Jackie Gleason?

我是Art Carney還是Jackie Gleason?

I don't know who you are.

我不知道你是誰

Well, I'm gonna, can try this one right now

好吧，我要去，可以嘗試這一個現在

'cause we are out of time.

因為我們沒有時間了

Sure.

當然可以

I gotta wrap this up. Let me just take a taste of it.

我得把這個包起來。讓我來嚐嚐吧。

Oh man, that is incredible. That is really good.

哦，夥計，這是不可思議的。這是非常好的。

You just walk around eating these with your hands?

你就這樣走來走去用手吃這些東西？

You just walk around New York city like this?

你就這樣在紐約市走來走去？

(Conan mumbles)

（柯南喃喃自語）

I actually do a lot of sampling.

其實我做了很多采樣。

(Conan mumbles)

（柯南喃喃自語）

Oh my god that is good.

哦，我的上帝，這是很好的。

"Eat Me: The Food and Philosophy of Kenny Shopsin"

"吃我。肯尼-索普森的食物和哲學"

is in stores now.

是在商店現在。

It's a very funny book. Kenny Shopsin everyone!

這是一本非常有趣的書。Kenny Shopsin每個人！