You, my dear Cliff Kellerman.

你，我親愛的克里夫-凱勒曼。

How about your boy Brady and the best of that bad man?

你的兒子布雷迪和那個壞蛋的最好的人怎麼樣？

All right, tell me, that's who are you crediting?

好吧，告訴我，你這是在向誰邀功？

Are you crediting Tom?

你是在向湯姆賒賬嗎？

Are you braiding?

你在編辮子嗎？

Are you blaming?

你在責怪嗎？

Let's try this again, Erin, I'm blaming Aaron Rodgers, which is really crediting the Bucks defense.

讓我們再試一次，艾琳，我在責怪阿倫-羅傑斯，這其實是籃網防守的功勞。

That's what I said going into we were debating this last week.

這就是我說的，進入我們上週辯論的內容。

It might have been on Friday.

可能是在星期五。

Who needs to do more for their team to win Something like that, right, Rodgers, Because the Packers defense isn't as good as the Bucks defense.

誰需要為自己的球隊贏得更多的東西，對吧，羅傑斯，因為包裝工的防守沒有籃網的防守好。

Look, our credit Brady for playing a clean game.

聽著，我們要感謝布雷迪打了一場乾淨的比賽。

The whole team play a clean game top to bottom.

全隊從上到下打得乾淨利落。

After last week, Brady probably had an influence on that, and Coach probably is like, Look, all these, you know, penalties on the offensive line and then Brady forgetting it down.

上週之後，布雷迪可能有影響，教練可能是這樣，你看，所有這些，你知道，進攻線上的罰球，然後布雷迪忘記了下來。

I'm not surprised that they played a clean game and the Clean Game was good enough to win because the defense was really good and they made adjustments because Rodgers was hot early.

我並不驚訝，他們打了一場乾淨的比賽，乾淨的比賽足以贏得比賽，因為防守真的很好，他們做出了調整，因為羅傑斯早早地熱了起來。

Good for them.

對他們有好處

Sometimes good defense beats good offense.

有時候，好的防守勝過好的進攻。

The Bucks also won the line of scrimmage throughout the game, both sides of the ball.

整場比賽，籃網也贏得了兩邊的防線。

They were winning the line of scrimmage.

他們在爭奪戰線上獲勝。

Brady is like he had the kind of game he would know this Bill Parcells 25 years ago.

布雷迪就像他25年前的那種比賽，他會知道這個比爾-帕塞爾斯。

It would have been like that.

本來是這樣的。

That's like a Phil Simms line from from from the eighties from the mid eighties 177 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions.

這就像從80年代中期的菲爾-西姆斯的線177碼，兩次達陣，沒有攔截。

Offensive line dominates, and you win.

進攻線佔優勢，你就贏了。

I'm saying you could put a lot of quarterbacks in that position, and if your defense forces basically two pick sixes, you're gonna win.

我是說，你可以把很多四分衛放在那個位置上，如果你的防守迫使你基本上兩次挑六，你就會贏。

You can't do that.

你不能這樣做。

You can't have a lot of quarterbacks today and do that.

你不能讓很多四分衛在今天這樣做。

I'm just go ahead and finish 100 cents.

我就先去完成100分。

Hold on to hand the ball to your running back.

抓緊把球交給你的跑衛。

It's 137 to 113 yards, about five yards a carry.

這是137碼到113碼，大約5碼一帶。

It's running game and defense.

是跑動和防守。

Tom Brady is a professional quarterback in his clutch, no doubt about it, But really, the last couple of years he's been relying on running game and defense.

湯姆-布雷迪是一個專業的四分衛，在他的離合器，毫無疑問，但真的，在過去的幾年裡，他一直在依靠跑動和防守。

How is yesterday any different?

昨天有什麼不同？

Do you have a tape?

你有帶子嗎？

Just one, because you said it's really a credit to Aaron Rodgers, but that's really crediting Tampa Bay's defense.

只有一個，因為你說這真的是阿倫-羅傑斯的功勞，但這真的是坦帕灣防守的功勞。

That's two different.

這是兩個不同的。

It's the same thing.

這是同樣的事情。

That anything who could blame Rodgers.

這一切誰能怪羅傑斯。

It's not.

不是這樣的

It's not the same.

這是不一樣的。

It's not blaming Rodgers or Brady.

這不怪羅傑斯或布雷迪。

You blame Rodgers.

你怪羅傑斯。

That's crediting the books defense.

這是記入賬目防守。

That's Rodgers.

那是羅傑斯。

Okay.

好吧，我知道了

Rogers.

羅傑斯。

How do you How do you blame him?

你怎麼會怪他？

Well, this is a dude who never throws interceptions.

這傢伙從來沒有投擲過攔截球 Well, this is a dude who never throws interceptions.

He throws basically, basically consecutive pick sixes.

他投的基本上，基本上是連續挑六。

Is that good?

這樣好嗎？

Like for the Packers to be successful, Rogers has to be Superman.

就像包裝工要想成功，羅傑斯必須成為超人。

That's what he's been this year, because his defense is not like Tampa's defense way.

這就是他今年的情況，因為他的防守不像坦帕的防守方式。

And he wasn't Yes, well, let me give a take here.

而他不是 是的，好吧，讓我在這裡給大家講講。

First of all, listen way.

首先，聽聽方式。

Understand that Aaron Rodgers was awful, but I'm still gonna look at Tom Brady.

明白阿倫-羅傑斯很糟糕，但我還是要看看湯姆-布雷迪。

And here's the reason I'm gonna look at Tom Brady.

這就是我要看湯姆-布雷迪的原因。

I'm gonna piggyback off the last year for a second here when I think about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and you had a guy in Jamis Winston that was throwing 30 interceptions and only completing 60% of his passes.

我想在這裡回想一下去年的情況，當我想到坦帕灣海盜隊的時候，你有一個叫賈米斯-溫斯頓的傢伙，他投了30次攔截，只完成了60%的傳球。

There's something to be said about having a quarterback that you know.

擁有一個你熟悉的四分衛是有道理的。

It's somewhat of a study here.

這裡有點像研究。

When you go down to nothing.

當你走到一無所有的時候。

If the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were from last year, they have been like, Damn, I'm throwing the ball all day.

如果是去年的坦帕灣海盜隊，他們已經像，該死的，我整天都在扔球。

It's gonna be turnovers.

這將是失誤。

We gotta hope and pray that this brother doesn't just blow the game for us, that we don't end up getting blown out here.

我們得希望並祈禱這位兄弟不要只是為我們吹噓，希望我們不要在這裡被吹掉。

But Tom Brady two touchdown passes.

但湯姆-布雷迪兩次達陣傳球。

Ronald Jones running the ball effectively.

羅納德-瓊斯有效地運轉著球。

I get the fact that Tampa Bay's defense can't be ignored because Todd Bowles had an incredible, incredible game plan.

我明白坦帕灣的防守不能被忽視，因為託德-鮑爾斯有一個令人難以置信的，不可思議的比賽計劃。

There's no doubt about that.

這一點毋庸置疑。

You're talking about a guy Aaron Rodgers that got hit nine times.

你說的是阿倫-羅傑斯這個傢伙，被打了九次。

That was sacked about three times in the first four games or so, and yesterday he was hit 11 times and sacked four times in one game.

這在前四場左右的比賽中，大約被包夾了三次，昨天他被打了11次，一場比賽被包夾了四次。

So I get the part about their defense.

所以我明白了他們防守的部分。

What I'm saying that you are, however, is this When I think about Tom Brady and the state, when you know that you've got a steady hand behind center at the quarterback position and you can rely on him, you can still maintain your game plan, maintain your discipline, knowing that you've got this brother that's gonna figure out a way to work with his offensive coordinator and with this head coach to come back from something like a 10 0 deficit toe.

然而，我想說的是，當我想到湯姆-布雷迪和國家，當你知道在四分衛的位置上，你有一個穩定的手在後面，你可以依靠他，你仍然可以保持你的比賽計劃，保持你的紀律，知道你已經得到了這個兄弟，他會想辦法與他的進攻協調員和這個主教練一起工作，從像10個赤字的東西回來。

Aaron Rodgers.

亞倫-羅傑斯。

That's basically what I appeal from.

這基本上就是我的上訴理由。

No, that's that's true.

不，那是真的。

No panic sets in at all because you know you have a guy who's done it before.

一點也不慌張，因為你知道你有一個人曾經做過。

Defensively, you say Aaron Rodgers, You credit Aaron Rodgers with the W for the Bucks?

防守方面，你說阿倫-羅傑斯，你把籃網的W歸功於阿倫-羅傑斯？

No Bucks defense did that to him.

沒有籃網的防守對他做。

They did that.

他們做到了。

They forced him into those interceptions by making him make mistake's and doing those sort of things in Tom Brady.

他們通過讓他犯錯來迫使他進行那些攔截，並在湯姆-布雷迪身上做這些事情。

As far as Tom Brady goes, this is what you want.

至於湯姆-布雷迪，這是你想要的。

Everybody thinks you gotta have Patrick Mahomes.

每個人都認為你必須要有帕特里克-馬霍姆斯。

You gotta throw the ball all over the lot to get to the Super Bowl.

你得把球扔得滿地都是才能打進超級盃。

That's not true.

這不是真的。

He didn't do that, winning the Super Bowl.

他沒有這樣做，贏得了超級碗。

He had some things happen and go his way in the Super Bowl.

他在超級碗中發生了一些事情，並按照自己的方式進行。

But you win by playing defense, running the football effectively and having a quarterback.

但你通過防守，有效地運行足球和擁有四分衛來贏得比賽。

When you need him to make the throat of Gronkowski for the touchdown, he's able to do it now.

當你需要他做格隆科夫斯基的咽喉來達陣的時候，他現在就能做到。

If they needed to hit the switch and have him throw 40 times, he's capable of doing that That's why when you say anybody, you could do it.

如果他們需要打開關，讓他投40次，他有能力做到這一點，這就是為什麼當你說任何人，你都可以做到這一點。

That's not the case, man.

不是這樣的，夥計。

Anybody can just get back there and do that.

任何人都可以回到那裡，做到這一點。

Not anybody can do it.

不是任何人都能做到的。

But there are plenty of quarterbacks.

但有很多四分衛。

They won 38 to 10 right?

他們贏了38比10，對嗎？

If he doesn't make that throw the rock, it's 31 to 10 and you could take another touchdown on they're still off.

如果他沒有投出那塊石頭，現在是31比10，你可以再達陣一次，他們還是會離開。

They're still gonna win by a lot.

他們還是會贏很多。

My point is, you're right.

我的觀點是，你是對的。

Credit Todd Bulls in the defense.

託德公牛在防守中的功勞。

That's the thing about Rogers.

這就是羅傑斯的特點。

Rogers is in a position, even though the floor you know, coach to a 13 win season without Rogers being Superman last year.

羅傑斯的位置，即使地板你知道，教練到一個13勝的賽季，去年沒有羅傑斯是超人。

This year, when you look at the Packers defense, if Rogers doesn't overcome, they're gonna lose these kind of games.

今年，當你看包裝工的防守，如果羅傑斯不克服，他們會輸掉這種比賽。

But he has to be more than but Davante Adams just got back into the lineup, so there's a receiver portion right there that he was trying to force the ball, too.

但他必須比但達萬特-亞當斯剛剛回到陣容中，所以有一個接收器的部分就在那裡，他也試圖強行將球。

But they also made him force those mistakes by throwing those interceptions by disguising the coverages.

但他們也通過偽裝掩護的方式，讓他投出那些攔截，從而迫使他犯下這些錯誤。

In doing those sort of things.

在做這些事情的時候。

I'm betting on Aaron Rodgers way more than betting against him, no matter what the defense is playing.

我賭亞倫-羅傑斯的方式比賭他更多，無論防守是什麼玩。

No doubt it.

毫無疑問，它。

Packers would win, but they shut.

包裝工會贏，但他們關。

It's an anomaly.

這是一個異常現象。

It's absolutely because this won't happen again.

這絕對是因為這種情況不會再發生了。

The Amber Rogers.

琥珀羅傑斯。

And if you think we're playing defense is that figure them out the way to top Boulder.

如果你認為我們在防守是，想辦法讓他們頂上博爾德。

I mean, that's a good defense Colt's.

我的意思是，這是一個很好的防禦Colt的。

That might be.

這可能是。

That might honestly be the best defense in the NFC.

說實話，這可能是NFC中最好的防守。

That's what I'm saying here.

這就是我在這裡說的。

Tom Brady can ride.

湯姆-布雷迪會騎馬。

I'm not saying that's a bad thing to be, but let's call it what it is.

我並不是說這是一件壞事，但我們還是說說看吧。

A really good defense may be the best in the conference, and a running back was average almost five yards a carry for over 100 yards.

真正好的防守可能是全聯盟最好的，一個跑衛平均差不多五碼一帶，超過100碼。

You know, to a win without making mistakes, that's a good thing.

你知道，要想不犯錯就能贏，那是好事。

But there are other quarterbacks who could do that to Rogers in order to win that game.

但為了贏得那場比賽，還有其他四分衛可以對羅傑斯這樣做。

Yesterday would have to be Superman, and you have to credit the defense of Tampa Bay, of course, because they were up 10 nothing when the defense started doing that to him.

昨天應該是超人，當然，你要歸功於坦帕灣的防守，因為當防守開始對他這樣做的時候，他們已經領先10個一無所有了。

But he can't lose to that defense.

但他不能輸給這種防守。

If Rodgers loses to the other team's defense.

如果羅傑斯輸給了對方的防守。

The Packers lose period like Brady doesn't have to overcome he can rely on his defense in his running game?

包裝工輸球期像布雷迪不用克服他可以依靠他的防守在跑動？

Not really.

不見得

Not really.

不見得

Because at some point, they're gonna need him to show up to at the quarter that defense is good.

因為在某些時候，他們會需要他出現在防守好的那個季度。

But that defense is not built to the point where he could just keep doing that game plan yesterday and run through the NFC cause they're gonna run up on some teams like Seattle New Orleans again.

但這種防守還沒有建立到他可以繼續執行昨天的比賽計劃，並在NFC中奔跑的地步，因為他們會再次跑到一些球隊，比如西雅圖新奧爾良。

That's gonna put the ball in the air where Brady is gonna have toe use his arm to win game.

這會把球傳到空中，讓布雷迪不得不用他的手臂來贏得比賽。

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