Name: 艾塞亞湯瑪斯：如果拿掉天賦，詹姆斯比喬丹更強！| Max Kellerman 秀 (Isiah Thomas: If you take away physical gifts, LeBron is better than MJ | The Max Kellerman Show)
Uploaded: 2025-12-08T11:01:01.000Z
Duration: 6 min 33 s

Isaiah, you're one of the when you talk about the non giant point guards, right?

以賽亞，你是一個當你說到非巨頭控衛，對嗎？

Like take magic out these million feet tall.

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Yeah, that's why you're in the conversation for the greatest of the non giant point guards because you had seasons like that.

是的，這就是為什麼你在非巨頭控衛中最偉大的對話中，因為你有這樣的賽季。

But the point that I was going toe further make Is that what what I try to do, Max, as someone who's who's played and participated right is like, Okay, that we have genetic freaks in all games right in And Jordan had Jordan had a genetic jumping gene that was freaky.

但我想說的是，我想做的是，馬克斯，作為一個人誰的誰的玩和參與的權利是這樣的，好吧，我們有基因怪胎在所有的遊戲中，而喬丹有喬丹有一個基因跳躍的基因，是怪異的。

So what I try to do is say okay when I take away the genetic gift and then you look at just basketball playing ability, Christ, who is the better basketball player?

所以我嘗試做的是說好吧，當我把基因天賦去掉，然後你只看打籃球的能力，天啊，誰是更好的籃球運動員？

If you don't have the genetic freak, you know freakiness with it, and I look at all of those guys who are similar in size.

如果你沒有遺傳的怪胎，你就知道怪胎與它，我看那些體型相仿的傢伙都是如此。

Like LeBron Jordan Magic, they all have the genetic gift of size, but Jordan has the genetic gift of jumping ability.

就像勒布朗-喬丹魔術師一樣，他們都有體型的基因天賦，但喬丹有跳躍能力的基因天賦。

LeBron has a genetic gift of jumping ability.

勒布朗擁有跳躍能力的基因天賦。

But if I take away those gifts and I said, OK, who is just a better basketball player all around?

但如果我把這些天賦拿走，我說，好吧，誰只是一個更好的籃球運動員的全部？

And not only is there no comparison, the the eye test and now the methodology of measurement in terms of analytics and numbers confirm what your eyes are seeing it.

而且不僅沒有比較，眼睛的測試和現在的測量方法論在分析和數字方面證實了你的眼睛所看到的它。

Yeah, well, actually, the analytics are unclear, but there are analytics that put Jordan ahead of LeBron at his peak.

是啊，其實分析不清楚，但有分析認為喬丹在巔峰時期是領先勒布朗的。

LeBron is if you're talking like LeBron has that basketball genius of Bird and Magic and also that that above the rim ability of Kobe or or MJ right, he's.

勒布朗是如果你說像勒布朗有伯德和魔術師的那種籃球天才，也有科比或或MJ的那種籃板以上的能力吧，他是。

That's why he was the chosen one out of out of high school.

所以他是高中畢業後被選中的人。

He came in with so much fanfare that it was almost impossible for him to match it, and yet, somehow he exceeded it.

他大張旗鼓地進來，幾乎不可能與之匹敵，然而，不知為何，他卻超過了它。

And unlike Kareem, there's much more media around today.

而與卡雷姆不同的是，如今身邊的媒體多了起來。

Do you think, as someone who follows the game, as as you say participated at a Hall of Fame level, obviously championship level?

你認為，作為一個關注比賽的人，如你所說參加了名人堂級別的比賽，顯然是冠軍級別的比賽嗎？

Um, when I say that, like to me as a fan, it's like, Oh, the Lakers are about to catch the Celtics 17 chips a piece.

嗯，當我說這話的時候，就像對我這個球迷來說，就像，哦，湖人要趕上凱爾特人17籌了。

When I was a kid, I say That was impossible.

當我還是個孩子的時候，我說那是不可能的。

All these decades later, Lakers are about to catch the Celtics.

這麼幾十年過去了，湖人就要趕上凱爾特人了。

玩家根本就不關心這些東西嗎？

Or is it just like the fans getting out on that stuff?

還是像粉絲們一樣，對這些東西出神入化？

It's like, uh, you know, it's like a baseball player having the opportunity to play with the Yankees or the Red Sox.

這就像，呃，你知道，這就像一個棒球運動員 有機會與洋基隊或紅襪隊打。

You you do know the historical relevance of of these franchises, Um, and and you do count.

你你知道這些特許經營權的歷史相關性，嗯，而且你也算。

I mean, you, you, the Lakers and the Celtics.

我是說，你，你，湖人隊和凱爾特人隊。

Traditionally, when they are good, our sport is good and and it it makes it better because of their historical relevance in the game.

傳統上，當他們是好的，我們的運動是好的和它它使它更好，因為他們在遊戲中的歷史相關性。

So, yeah, recount and and and to win in those franchises, I'm sorry, but it it does mean mawr when you win as a Celtic and as a Laker and and I knew that, you know, with the Pistons, it's like Okay, that that's why you try to establish tradition.

所以，是的，重新計算和和贏得在這些特許經營權，我很抱歉，但它確實意味著毛利當你贏得作為一個凱爾特人和作為一個湖人和我知道，你知道，與活塞，這就像好吧，這就是為什麼你試圖建立傳統。

That's why you try toe thio, load up the wind so historically you can remain, uh, in the relevance of of of the of the history books because you've done it so many times.

這就是為什麼你要嘗試toe thio，加載了風，所以歷史上你可以保持，呃，在相關的of of of the歷史書，因為你已經做了這麼多次。

And now you get to walk in with tradition and with mythology and all those other things I'd say before I let you go because I got a break in a minute.

現在你可以帶著傳統、神話和其他所有的東西走進來，在我讓你走之前，我想說的是，因為我馬上就要休息了。

Um, I'm looking at this heat team, and I didn't think they had a chance to win.

嗯，我看這個熱力隊，我覺得他們沒有機會贏。

But I look at like like your pistons teams that went back to back.

但我看像像你的活塞隊，背靠背。

You were an MVP caliber player, whether or not you won the M v p.

你是一個MVP級別的球員，無論你是否贏得了M v p。

There was, you know, in the league at that time you were a top five player, right?

有，你知道，在當時的聯盟中，你是前五名的球員吧？

Um, usually you need at least one guy like that and you had other all stars on your team and you were well coached.

嗯，通常你至少需要一個這樣的傢伙，而且你的球隊裡還有其他全明星，你也得到了很好的指導。

而且你們是一支偉大的防守隊伍。

Usually you need at least one guy like that.

通常你至少需要一個這樣的傢伙。

比如小牛隊打亂了熱火隊的陣腳。

Dirk Nowitzki was playing at M V P level and he had shooters all around him.

德克-諾維茨基打出了M V P的水準，他身邊的射手也多了起來。

Almost never Do you have a team without one M v p caliber player like Chauncey Billups was Mr Big Shot when they wanna know four.

幾乎從來沒有你有一個團隊沒有一個M V P口徑的球員像Chauncey Billups是先生大人物，當他們想知道四個。

But then that team was historically great Defensively.

但那支球隊歷史上防守能力很強。

This Heat team, like Jimmy Butler had to play out off his mind to get one single win.

這支熱火隊，就像吉米-巴特勒一樣，要想獲得一場單場勝利，必須要打出自己的風格。

Is there anything at all they could do against this Lakers team to at least extend it to Game six without an M V P three?

對付這支湖人隊，他們有什麼辦法，至少可以在沒有M V P三分的情況下將比賽延長到第六場嗎？

Only thing they could really do is is hope that the Lakers play bad and make mistakes, and they'll and they will have something to do with that, of course.

他們真正能做的就是希望湖人隊打得不好，犯錯，他們會和他們有關係，當然。

But you know, the the answer to that question, Max is no.

但是，你知道，這個問題的答案，麥克斯是否定的。

They don't see how they can beat this Laker team because, as I said before, the Lakers come into this with the two best players.

他們不明白自己如何能擊敗這支湖人隊，因為正如我之前所說，湖人隊是帶著兩個最好的球員來的。

And normally you have, like you say, one M V P candidate on on one team or the other.

而通常情況下，就像你說的那樣，你有一個MVP候選人在一個團隊或另一個團隊中。

But when you look in this Siri's, they got both the M V P candidates on the same team and they got they got the talent, they got experience.

但當你看這個Siri的，他們得到了兩個M V P候選人在同一個團隊，他們得到了他們的人才，他們得到了經驗。

They got to know how they got knowledge and you know, they you know they can.

他們得知道他們是怎麼得到知識的，你知道，他們你知道他們可以。

They can throw in a guy like Rondo who can change the game and two plates.

他們可以投進一個像隆多這樣能改變比賽的人，還有兩個盤子。

They're learning that they're getting that experience, but they don't have that yet.

他們正在學習，他們正在獲得這種經驗，但他們還沒有這種經驗。

So the only way they can really win is if the Lakers allow them to win by doing dumb things and making mistakes.

所以，他們真正能贏的唯一辦法就是湖人隊讓他們通過做蠢事和犯錯來贏。

But if the Lakers don't make mistakes, you know, I don't see how Miami can beat them.

但如果湖人隊不犯錯，你知道，我不明白邁阿密怎麼能打敗他們。

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