from BBC Learning English. I'm Neil.

從BBC學習英語。我是尼爾。

And I'm Sam.

我是山姆。

Sam, have you ever heard the expression

山姆，你有沒有聽說過這樣的說法

'a problem shared is a problem halved'?

'問題共享就是問題減半'？

Yes, Neil, I have. Doesn't it mean that

是的，尼爾，我有。這不是意味著

people often feel better

人們常常感到舒服

after talking about their

在談到他們

problems with someone?

與某人的問題？

Right - in this programme we'll be hearing

對，在這個節目中，我們將聽到的是

the extraordinary story of how these ideas

這些想法的非凡故事

were taken up by a team of community

由一個社區小組負責。

grandmothers in Zimbabwe.

辛巴維的祖母們；

Zimbabwe has over 14 million people

辛巴維有1400多萬人

but fewer than 20 psychiatrists.

但精神科醫生不到20人。

After years of economic

經過多年的經濟

turmoil, unemployment and HIV, mental

動盪、失業與艾滋病毒、精神疾病和

health is a huge challenge,

健康是一個巨大的挑戰。

and doctors estimate

和醫生估計

that one in four Zimbabweans

四分之一的辛巴維人

suffers from depression or anxiety.

患有抑鬱症或焦慮症。

When it proved impossible to find free

當它被證明不可能找到免費的

space to use in hospitals,

在醫院使用的空間。

psychiatrist Dr Dixon

狄克遜醫生

Chibanda, came up with the idea of

奇班達，提出了一個想法，即

turning public park benches

公園長椅

into spaces for therapy.

成治療的空間。

He recruited grandmothers, who have

他招來了奶奶，奶奶有

both free time and plenty

有閒有逸

of life experience, to talk

的生活經驗，來談談

with individuals struggling with mental

與有精神障礙的人一起工作

health issues like depression,

抑鬱症等健康問題。

anxiety, and trauma.

焦慮和創傷。

The grandmothers are drawn from

祖母們來自

the local community and

當地社區和

trained over several weeks in

受訓時間為數週

a talking therapy called CBT - but

一種叫做CBT的談話療法--但

what does that abbreviation, CBT,

這個縮寫是什麼，CBT。

stand for? That's

代表什麼？那是...

my quiz question. Is it:

我的測驗題。是嗎？

a) Chatting Based Therapy?,

a)基於哈拉的治療?

b) Conversation

(b) 談話

Brain Therapy? or,

大腦治療還是。

c) Cognitive Behavioural Therapy?

c) 認知行為療法？

Well, I think I'll say c) Cognitive

好吧，我想我會說c)認知的

Behavioural Therapy.

行為治療。

OK, Sam, we'll find out later. Now,

好吧，薩姆，我們以後會知道的。現在就去

although the recent history of

雖然近代史上

Zimbabwe has left millions

辛巴維已經離開了數百萬人

struggling with mental health issues,

與心理健康問題作鬥爭；

at the start of his project, Dr Dixon

在他的項目開始時，Dixon博士。

Chibanda was

Chibanda是

the only psychiatrist working in

唯一的精神病學家，工作在

public health in the whole country.

全國的公共衛生。

And as well as a lack of provision, many

除了缺乏規定外，許多人還

villagers were suspicious

鄉親們心存疑慮

of talking therapy, preferring

談話療法，更喜歡

to rely on traditional faith healers instead.

而不是依靠傳統的信仰治療師。

Which is why when Kim Chakanetsa,

這也是為什麼當金查卡內薩。

of BBC World Service's

英國廣播公司世界服務部

The Documentary Podcast, spoke to

紀錄片播客，對

Dr Dixon Chibanda, she started by asking

Dixon Chibanda博士，她首先問道

him whether people were

他的人是否

supportive of his idea:

對他的想法表示支持。

Initially there was a lot of scepticism,

最初有很多人懷疑。

a lot of resistance, particularly

阻力很大，特別是

from colleagues

同事介紹

who thought this was not evidence-based,

誰認為這不是以證據為基礎的。

and it wasn't going to work.

而這是不會工作。

The whole idea of

整個想法是

training grandmothers - I mean, this has

訓練祖母 - 我的意思是，這有。

not been done anywhere else

前無古人

in the world so naturally

世上

there was resistance.

有阻力。

Were you at all apprehensive?

你是不是很擔心？

I was, to be quite honest.

我是，說實話。

At first, Dr Dixon Chibanda's ideas were

起初，Dixon Chibanda博士的想法是...。

met with scepticism - an attitude

遭到懷疑的態度

of doubting

懷疑的

whether something is useful or true.

某事是否有用或真實。

'Grandma benches' were a totally new

"奶奶凳 "是一種全新的。

idea, never seen before anywhere

曠世奇想

in the world and

在世界上和

so his colleagues naturally felt some

所以他的同事們自然會覺得有些

resistance - refusal to accept a change

抵抗 -- -- 拒絕接受改變

or new idea.

或新想法。

Which left Dr Dixon Chibanda feeling

這讓Dixon Chibanda博士覺得...

a little apprehensive - worried

忐忑不安

that something bad

禍事

was going to happen to his project.

是要發生在他的項目。

Fortunately, as it turned out, Dr Dixon

幸運的是，事實證明，狄克遜博士。

Chibanda's apprehensions were

奇班達的憂慮。

wrong. Grandmothers are

錯。祖母是

highly respected in Zimbabwean society

在辛巴維社會中備受尊重

and as they started listening,

而當他們開始聽。

people began opening

開張

up and telling their stories.

起來，講述自己的故事。

The 'grandma benches' have empowered

婆婆板凳 "賦能了。

over 50,000 people to deal with

5萬多人的處理

their life problems

他們的生活問題

and Dr Dixon Chibanda even has plans to

而迪克森-奇班達博士甚至打算

move his idea online, giving

把他的想法搬到網上，給

the world access to

世界各地的訪問

a virtual Friendship Bench.

一個虛擬的友誼長椅。

Here he is again, explaining on the

他又在這裡解釋了關於

BBC World Service's The Documentary

BBC世界服務的紀錄片

Podcast why he believes

播客為什麼他相信

his ideas have been so successful:

他的想法是如此成功。

It works because it's simple, it's cheap

因為簡單，便宜，所以有效

and it's run by communities,

而且是由社區管理的。

particularly grandmothers

特別是祖母們

who are in essence a resource

他們實質上是一種資源

in African communities - you know,

在非洲社區--你知道的。

they are the custodians of local

他們是當地的監護人

culture and wisdom - that's why is works,

文化和智慧--這就是為什麼它能成功。

and I guess, it does away

我想，它不會

with western concepts

西化

which remove the stigma that is normally

移除通常的恥辱感。

associated with mental illness.

與精神疾病有關。

Clients are willing to share their problems

客戶願意分享他們的問題

with the grandmother-therapists

與祖母治療師

because they

因為他們

are respected as cultural custodians -

尊敬的文化監護人；

people with responsibility for taking

責任人

care of something

照顧

or trying to protect ideas or principles,

或試圖保護思想或原則。

in this case local customs and wisdom.

在這種情況下，當地的習俗和智慧。

This helps do away with - or remove - the

這有助於消除--或者說消除--。

stigma attached to mental health - strong

對心理健康的成見----強烈

feelings of shame or disapproval which

羞恥感

most members of a community

大多數人

have towards something,

對某事有。

such as psychological illness.

如心理疾病。

For Zimbabweans suffering domestic

對於遭受國內苦難的辛巴維人

violence, unemployment and

暴力行為、失業和其他問題

dealing with HIV, having

應對艾滋病毒，有

a grandmother to talk to really can

婆婆媽媽

change their perceptions about

改觀

how problems can be

問題如何

managed.

管理。

So it seems true that 'a problem shared

是以，"共同的問題 "似乎是真的。

is a problem halved', which

是一個問題的一半"，這

reminds me of our

讓我想起了我們

quiz question, Sam.

測驗題，山姆。

Yes. You asked me what the talking

是的，你問我什麼是 "說話"？

therapy abbreviated to CBT

療法

stands for. And I said

代表。我說

c) Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.

c）認知行為療法。

Which is absolutely right! CBT - a way of

這是絕對正確的!CBT--一種方式

managing problems by changing

因勢利導

ways of thinking

思維方式

and behaving.

和行為。

So this week we've been hearing the

所以本週我們一直聽到

inspiring story of Zimbabwean

辛巴維人的勵志故事

Dr Dixon Chibanda's 'grandma

Dixon Chibanda博士的 "奶奶"。

bench' therapy - an idea which was

長椅 "療法--這個想法是

initially met with scepticism - a

起初受到懷疑--一個

doubtful attitude,

懷疑的態度。

and resistance - refusal to change

和阻力 -- -- 拒絕改變

and accept new ideas.

並接受新的想法。

Dr Dixon Chibanda's feelings of

Dixon Chibanda博士的感想。

apprehension - worries that

憂慮--擔心

the project would fail, proved

該項目將失敗，證明

false when his team of grandmother

假的，當他的奶奶團隊

therapists were treated as

治療師被視為

custodians - or protectors,

監護人----或保護人；

of wisdom and life experience who really

智慧和人生經驗的人

could help people suffering

可以幫助受苦的人

depression, poverty

蕭條、貧窮

and trauma.

和創傷。

The success of the project helped do

項目的成功有助於做

away with - or remove - strong

剔除

feelings of shame

羞愧感

or disapproval felt by many people

或許多人的不贊成

regarding mental health, known

精神健康方面的問題

as stigma. To hear more

作為成見。要聽到更多

inspiring, topical stories, join us again

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很快在6分鐘英語這裡。

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