Partly because machines have more utility value than people, we can always develop a machine that will have more utility value than then a human beings.

部分原因是機器比人有更多的實用價值，我們總能開發出比然後人更有實用價值的機器。

That's kind of what Norbert Wiener was arguing back in the and the guy who came up with cybernetics when he was thinking about feedback mechanisms in the first Robots that we're gonna have to think about what's the human use of human beings?

這也是諾伯特-維納在《機器人》中提出的觀點，他提出了控制論，當他在第一部《機器人》中思考反饋機制的時候，我們要思考人類的用途是什麼？

But to me it it be speaks of a reversal of figure and ground reversal of subject and object we're thinking about.

但在我看來，它是講的是一種圖與地的顛倒，是我們思考的主體與客體的顛倒。

How does technology treat humans rather than how to human beings?

科技如何對待人類而不是如何對待人類？

Use technology, right?

用技術吧？

So we're no longer the figures were no longer the actors.

所以我們不再是數字不再是演員。

The intelligent agents have agency.

智能代理有代理權。

So we've ended up living in a world where even those who want to make technology in theory that that's nicer to people, are still thinking about.

所以，我們最終生活在這樣一個世界裡，即使是那些想讓理論上對人更好的技術，也在考慮。

Technology is something that plays us, and that's the experience I have and and that, I believe, is Israel right now is that I'm not using my technology.

技術是玩我們的東西，這是我的經驗，而且我相信，以色列現在就是我不用我的技術。

My technology uses me.

我的技術利用我。

Every time I swipe my smartphone.

每次我刷智能手機的時候。

It gets smarter about me, and I get dumber about it.

它對我越來越聰明，而我對它越來越笨。

But the response that I'm trying to provoke is not another techno solution.

但我想挑起的反應不是另一種技術方案。

Ist response.

第一次答覆：

I don't think it's about Let's write algorithms to beat the algorithms that are hurting us.

我認為這不是讓我們寫算法來打敗那些傷害我們的算法。

No new army of that.

沒有新軍的那。

Or let's develop a better social media network that does this or a better smartphone algorithm.

或者讓我們開發一個更好的社交媒體網絡，做到這一點，或者開發一個更好的智能手機算法。

No, I think what I'm trying to do is a little bit more homeopathic in spirit or natural path.

不，我想我要做的是在精神上或自然之道上多一點順勢療法。

It rather than fighting the disease and even giving more weight and authority to that digital, the digital monster.

它與其說是在與病魔作鬥爭，不如說是在給那個數字、數字怪物更多的權重和權威。

Let's get off line.

我們下線吧。

No, that's enhance our human resilience.

不，那是增強我們人類的應變能力。

Let's it enhance our own, our own vitality, our cultural immune response.

讓它增強我們自己的，我們自己的生命力，我們的文化免疫反應。

You know, if there's weaponized teams out there that I don't want my kid using a weaponized, mean filter, I want my kid being strong enough to not respond to the weaponized mean.

你知道，如果有武器化的團隊在那裡，我不希望我的孩子使用武器化的，刻薄的過濾器，我希望我的孩子足夠強大，不迴應武器化的刻薄。

When I went in the States, we had this Twitter phenomenon where there was this video of some Mogg, a kid kid with a Maga hat facing off with a Native American, and it was like 20 seconds.

當我去美國的時候，我們在Twitter上有這樣一個現象，有這樣一個視頻，一些Mogg，一個帶著馬加爵帽子的孩子和一個美國土著人對峙，大概有20秒。

It started like this 22nd video, and I saw all my friends, smart friends, professors of media friends and tweeting that Retweeting my God, look at this horrible fascist child.

就像這22號視頻開始，我看到我所有的朋友，聰明的朋友，媒體朋友的教授和推特，轉發我的上帝，看看這個可怕的法西斯孩子。

And and I was I was kind of amazed.

而我... ...我有點驚訝。

It's like Wait a minute.

這就像等待一分鐘。

Can't you be a human being for a minute?

你就不能做回人嗎？

Can't you be smart enough to realize you're not there?

你就不能聰明一點，意識到自己不在那裡嗎？

You don't know what happened?

你不知道發生了什麼？

You're you're reacting to a picture on social media and using it to vent whatever the rage you have against the Trump presidency or against Mogg.

你是你在社交媒體上對一張照片的反應，用它來發洩你對特朗普總統任期或對莫格的任何憤怒。

A people are against racism.

一個民族反對種族主義。

And, of course, you know as they pull back, it became another story and they pull back a little bit more, and it became yet another story.

當然，你知道隨著他們的回撤，這又成了另一個故事，他們再回撤一點，又成了另一個故事。

So the object of the game is not to teach Twitter how to make sure that these bad messages don't come through.

所以，遊戲的目的並不是要教Twitter如何確保這些不良信息不會通過。

That's like saying, Well, let's just rid the world of viruses.

這就像說，好吧，讓我們擺脫病毒的世界。

Know that the object of the game is to increase our own immune response as people are collective cultural immune response on the way to do that is to have enough solidarity between people who can sit in rooms together, make eye contact, have conversations and not feel so threatened.

要知道，遊戲的對象是增加我們自己的免疫反應，因為人是集體文化免疫反應的方式，就是人與人之間要有足夠的團結，可以一起坐在房間裡，進行眼神交流，進行對話，而不覺得有那麼大的威脅。

They can't tolerate one another every semester that I teach.

我教的每一個學期，他們都不能互相容忍。

I've only talked for five years now.

我才談了五年。

Every semester I get more notes from students on the first day of class, notes signed by their psychiatrists saying, Please excuse Johnnie from class participation and presentations.

每學期我都會在上課的第一天收到更多學生的紙條，紙條上有他們的心理醫生的簽名，說：請原諒強子參加課堂和演講。

But because Johnny's got, you know, it's anxiety, social anxiety, and I'm sure that's really But why is there so much?

但因為約翰尼有，你知道，這是焦慮， 社交焦慮，我敢肯定，這是真的 但為什麼有這麼多？

Why hasn't Johnny been trained in kindergarten 1st, 2nd and 3rd grade?

為什麼強尼在幼兒園一、二、三年級沒有接受過訓練？

How to be in a room with other people?

如何與他人同處一室？

You know, it's because Johnny is education has been surrendered to Johnny's utility value.

你知道，這是因為約翰尼是教育已經投降了約翰尼的實用價值。

Let's make him a good worker.

讓他成為一個好工人。

You know anyone in the UK who knows the history of public education here?

你知道英國有誰知道這裡的公共教育歷史嗎？

You know, public education was not to make better workers.

你知道，公共教育不是為了讓工人變得更好。

Public education was started to give dignity to the coal worker so that they'd be working in the mines all day.

公眾教育的開始，是為了讓煤礦工人有尊嚴，讓他們整天在礦上工作。

But at least they could come home and have the dignity of being able to read a novel or participate intelligently in representative democracy.

但至少他們回家後可以有尊嚴地讀一本小說或聰明地參與代議制民主。

When we turn education into extensions into an extension of work or we've really done has taken a corporate costs and externalized it to the public sector.

當我們把教育的延伸變成了工作的延伸，或者說我們真正做的是把企業的成本外化到公共部門。

And we've devalued education, so it's no longer teaching people that they have essential dignity when they come in that room.

而且我們已經貶低了教育的價值，所以當人們走進那個房間的時候，它已經不再教他們擁有基本的尊嚴了。

But they're gonna have to learn something in order to be useful.

但他們要想成為有用的人，就得學點東西。

Valuable members of society and the principles of the schools meet with the CEOs of the companies to find out.

有價值的社會成員和學校的原則與企業的CEO們見面，瞭解一下。

Oh, what do you want them to know?

哦，你想讓他們知道什麼？

Do you want them to know Excel?

你想讓他們瞭解Excel嗎？

I want them to know Java.

我想讓他們瞭解Java。

You want them to know Python will deliver you the employees of the future, you know, and give employees.

你想讓他們知道Python會給你提供未來的員工，你知道，並給員工。

There are no jobs in the future.

未來沒有工作。

But that's another story, right?

但那是另一個故事，對吧？

Employed.

受僱。

But it's fine.

但它的罰款。

Employments, temporary.

僱用，臨時。

We can talk about that.

我們可以談談這個。

Employment was invented in the in the Renaissance.

僱傭是在文藝復興時期發明的。

It's not.

不是這樣的

It's not essential toe work.

這不是必不可少的腳趾工作。

It's just it's really employment was a way to prevent people from owning their own businesses.

只是它真的是就業是阻止人們自己創業的一種方式。

They had to go work for chartered monopolies.

他們不得不去為特許壟斷企業工作。

That's when employment was born.

這時，就業就誕生了。

But that's that's a whole other story.

但那是另一個故事。

So yeah, so I'm arguing that once we can learn to establish and maintain basic rapport with one another.

所以是的，所以我認為，一旦我們能學會建立和保持基本的人際關係。

That's when the great human conspiracy can begin and I mean it.

這時，人類的大陰謀就可以開始了，我是認真的。

The word conspiracy literally comes.

陰謀這個詞從字面上來。

Spire means what to breathe together, but people breathing together right now that constitutes a conspiracy.

穗是指什麼一起呼吸，但人們現在一起呼吸那就構成了陰謀。

If you can breathe together with other people in a room, because then the whole thing, the whole artifice, begins to unravel, you know, and you start to experience your power and you start to experience the dignity of yourself and the dignity of the other people that you're with.

如果你能在一個房間裡和其他人一起呼吸，因為這樣的話，整個事情，整個詭計，就會開始解開，你知道，你開始體驗到你的力量，你開始體驗到你自己的尊嚴，以及和你在一起的其他人的尊嚴。

And once you touch that core of dignity and yourself and others, then it's much, much harder to be controlled.

而一旦你觸及了尊嚴的核心，自己和他人，那麼就很難，很難被控制。

Bye bye, anyone or anything?

再見，有人或什麼嗎？