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  • I guess I was the cookie cutter straight, white, successful male.


  • Probably people would look at me and think, "Well, I'm probably like them and therefore a little bit homophobic as well."


  • And then I made the really difficult decision to come out.


  • You know, I met a man that I fell in love with when I was nearly 40 and then I realised I was gay.

    我在將近 40 歲時才與一位男性墜入愛河,我才領悟到原來我是同性戀。

  • [Why are people homophobic?]


  • [Richard Beaven is a financial services director and LGBT activist.]

    [Richard Beaven 為金融服務總監和 LGBT 活躍者。]

  • [He believes it's important to understand homophobia, in order to eradicate it.]


  • Mr. Mawby, do you think homosexuals should be sent to prison?

    Mawby 先生,請問你覺得同性戀者該送進大牢嗎?

  • -Yes. Of course if they are ... -Surrounded by other men or ...

    -是,當然要,如果他們… -被其他男人所圍繞或…

  • Unbelievable.


  • [Homosexuality was illegal in England and Wales until 1967, but homophobia still remains today.]

    [在英國和威爾斯直到 1967 年同性關係才合法,但恐同現象至今都還存在。]

  • When I think about why people are homophobic, I think about a workshop that I ran in the city a couple of years ago.


  • It was really good, apart from this one guy who literally said nothing and he had his arms folded, clearly really uncomfortable about being there.


  • So I stopped the conversation and I looked at him and I said, "I notice you are not engaging with this."


  • "You are not part of the conversation."


  • And I said, "I suspect there are three things that I find a lot of people struggle to engage in this conversation with, and the first one is gay sex."


  • Lots of straight men find it very, very uncomfortable to think about how men have sex with men.


  • But we have to park that.


  • We're not having a conversation around sex, we're having a conversation about inclusivity and making people feel welcome.


  • And then I said, "The second thing I think lots of people like you think is that, you know, that 'all men who are gay fancy all men.'"


  • And I said, "You're just not my type."


  • And he started to smile and I said, "But there's the third thing."


  • And I said, "This is often a problem, is that, 'If I engage in this conversation then people might think I'm gay'."


  • [On top of this, Richard believes the HIV crisis still casts a shadow.]

    [除此之外,Richard 認為愛滋病危機仍為同性族群的權益蒙上陰影。]

  • There is now a deadly virus which anyone can catch from sex with an infected person.


  • So protect yourself.


  • It's safer if you use a condom.


  • So I think that crisis had a huge impact on or reinforced the fact that gay people are different.


  • And there was a lot of terrible language around "gay people spread diseases," and it was just ghastly at the time.


  • And I think that's influenced a whole generation in terms of the way they think about homosexuality.


  • -You know, Russia has got anti-gay legislation, Chechnya you find pogroms against gay people. - Oh my god, yeah.


  • If you could speak to Vladimir Putin right now, what would you say to him?


  • I would love to sit down and talk to him face-to-face because only face-to-face with people do you get any progress.


  • So the thing I particularly like about what Elton says there is about sitting down with people and talking.

    我特別喜歡 Elton 所說的,關於與人坐下來好好對談這件事。

  • I do think we have repressed a lot, so people have just put it in a box saying,


  • "Oh god I'm not allowed to say whatever it may be …"


  • But if you allow people time to say it, and to say words that they might be a bit clumsy about ...


  • It's fine, because you can help people learn.


  • It's fantastic when I talk to young people who are declaring whatever spectrum of sexuality they are on without thinking about it, I think of my own children.


  • They don't think about this in the way that those of us born in the 60s and 70s and the influences that we had do.

    他們思考模式並沒有被 60 和 70 年代的我們所影響。

  • So, is this fixable? It's changeable.


  • It really is, and a few simple things can help.


  • If you've never met a gay person, go and talk to one.


  • You know what? They're quite nice to talk to.


  • And listen and we use something called reverse mentoring.


  • You know, if you're senior, go and find someone that's not like you that is in the organisation and listen.


  • Not for you to tell them, for you to listen to their story and who they are, because it might feel a bit uncomfortable.


  • But trust me, that works brilliantly well and I have seen people completely transformed.


  • Their mind is opened.


  • They realize, "They're just like everyone else."


  • Being a straight ally, I know that word gets used a lot now, really matters.


  • And say that you are a supporter of the LGBT+ community.

    表明自己是支持 LGBT+ 族群的。

  • Just do it and you know what, people won't think worse for you they will think a lot more of you.


  • Because it's even more powerful if a straight ally talks about being inclusive and being welcoming of all forms of diversity.


  • That works really well.


I guess I was the cookie cutter straight, white, successful male.


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