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  • Hey there, it's me and you're watching MarieTV.

  • Now we're about to get into an interview with Robin Sharma all about how to maximize

  • your day for productivity, rest, and joy.

  • Now we recorded this interview long before COVID-19 hits so you're gonna hear us talk

  • about things like traveling and art galleries and other activities that are just not possible

  • at this moment.

  • Now that said, I think that this interview contains a lot of timeless lessons that can

  • really help us all.

  • I also want to say, you know, this worldwide pandemic, it's difficult and everyone is

  • dealing with it in their own ways.

  • If you're having a really tough time right now, especially as it relates to this interview,

  • take what works for you and leave the rest.

  • That said, enjoy it, have fun.

  • I'm sending so much love Let's dive in.

  • Hey, it's Marie Forleo, and you are watching MarieTV, the place to be to create a business

  • and life you love.

  • Now if you're someone who wants to make the most out of your days, out of your weeks,

  • out of your years, my guest today has some pretty good ideas to help.

  • Robin Sharma is a globally respected humanitarian, bestselling author, and the founder of The

  • Robin Sharma Foundation for Children.

  • Considered one of the world's top leadership experts, his clients include Fortune 100 companies,

  • billionaires, athletes, music icons and members of royalty.

  • Robin's books have sold over 15 million copies in over 92 languages.

  • His newest book, The 5 AM Club, is available now.

  • Robin, thank you so much for taking the journey to be here.

  • Thank you, Marie.

  • So I want to talk about The 5 AM Club, and we're going to dive deep into that.

  • But first, for those that don't know your story and your journey, I feel like there's

  • so many people in our audience that may find themselves in the position that you once were

  • in a career that you're like, "This isn't necessarily me."

  • Can you take us back to those days, and tell us a little bit about how you started out,

  • and what that transition was like from being in a place that didn't feel aligned with who

  • you ultimately were, to the career that you have today?

  • Sure.

  • I think, Marie, life's greatest heartbreak is being untrue to yourself.

  • I come from very humble beginnings.

  • I have a great family, and yet the people around me said, "If you become a lawyer,"

  • like I basically had a choice.

  • Become an engineer, a doctor or a lawyer.

  • And so I followed through on that, and I went to law school.

  • I became a really successful litigation lawyer.

  • I had a nice place to live, and had a nice car, and I was making great money.

  • People said, "I'm on... you're on your way to being a judge," and yet I would wake up

  • every morning, and I would look at myself in the bathroom mirror and I didn't like or

  • even know the person who was looking back at me.

  • I love that word, angst.

  • That angst just got to a point where I said I had to make some changes.

  • I started listening to that silent whisper of my heart.

  • There's something I believe in, which is instinct is much more powerful and wiser than intellect.

  • I think when all of us trust our instinct in a world that says intellect and logic is

  • everything, we start to enter what Mr. Riley in The 5 AM Club callsthe magic.”

  • That's what happened to me.

  • So did you know what you wanted to do instead of your law career, or did you have... was

  • there a period of transition?

  • I know for me, when I was on Wall Street and I worked in magazines, I kept hearing that

  • little voice of, "This is not where you're supposed to be.

  • This is not who you're meant to be in the world, and not the work that you're meant

  • to do."

  • But I was really frustrated because I didn't...

  • I was like, "Well, can you please tell me what else I'm supposed to do?"

  • It took me years to find my path.

  • So I was curious about if you had clarity in that moment, or if you had to take a journey

  • around to find some discovery in what else you could do?

  • Yeah, and I totally hear what you're saying.

  • I find your destiny doesn't knock, it whispers.

  • It wasn't this epiphany.

  • I think when you start to trust your instinct, and trust yourself versus the world, and you

  • block out the opinions of other people, the pace of synchronicity starts to open up, and

  • these doors that you're supposed to walk through start to present themselves to you.

  • So what happened to me was I just started...

  • I mean the angst, and the pain and the confusion.

  • By the way, I think confusion has a bad rap in society.

  • Anyone on a path to growth and self-excavation and personal mastery is going to be confused

  • all the time.

  • Because the very nature of leaving your safe harbor of the known, going out to blue ocean

  • where possibility lives constantly means you're going to be out in the unknown, which is where

  • fear lives, but on the other side of your fear is your freedom.

  • So I started paying attention to that angst, and that confusion.

  • I went to books.

  • I went to books, and I started interviewing people who were financially successful, as

  • well as emotionally successful and spiritually successful.

  • I started putting together this new philosophy for living.

  • Then, as we know, ideation without execution is delusion, and so I started living what

  • I learned step by step.

  • I started changing the way that I lived, and given my "transformation," I said, "I want

  • to share my message with other people."

  • I self-published a little book called Megaliving.

  • That was actually my first book.

  • It had a super cheesy title, 30 Days to a Perfect Life.

  • I had this little passport picture on the front, and it was poorly designed.

  • The type was so small you couldn't read it.

  • I had 3000 copies that were published, and they sat in my little dining room.

  • That book started selling, and then I self-published a book called The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari

  • in a Kinko's copy shop.

  • My mom was my editor.

  • My father helped me sell it at service clubs.

  • Just one book at a time.

  • That led into a whole new reality for me, a whole new career for me.

  • What's so cool about that is when I started my journey, I remember I first published an

  • ebook, which was new at the time, right?

  • This is the late '90s.

  • I just remember that journey in my... it turned from an ebook into a self-published book.

  • My parents helped me get it out into the world, and shrink wrapped it.

  • I Just look back at those days, and it was so cool, the beginnings and then to see where

  • it could go.

  • So thank you for sharing that, because I know so many people listening right now might have...

  • whether they want to transition into a career where they share their thoughts and ideas,

  • or they want to just transition into being an artist, or maybe an engineer or maybe a

  • lawyer.

  • Just to understand that it takes time, and that it's okay to start humbly and you can

  • go to great places.

  • You just have to listen to that instinct.

  • I want to transition into The 5 AM Club, because you've shared that this book took you four

  • years to write.

  • So how was this process different than your other books?

  • I wanted The 5 AM Club to be the most beautiful, content-rich, handcrafted book I've ever done.

  • Now, whether that happened or not is up to the readers.

  • One of my favorite books is The Prophet by Kahlil Gibran.

  • I don't know if you've read it, but it's just...

  • Yes, I have.

  • It's just a masterpiece of philosophy.

  • One of the things that I read about Kahlil Gibran is he carried the manuscript around

  • with him for five years because he wanted every single line to be the best line he could

  • possibly handcraft.

  • That was my intention with The 5 AM Club.

  • So I wrote it in , which is one of my favorite places in the world.

  • I wrote it in Mauritius.

  • I wrote it in Russia.

  • I wrote it in Sao Paulo.

  • I wrote it in Switzerland.

  • It was just this beautiful, dangerous, messy, confusing, inspirational process where I just

  • wrote to try to make it the best piece of work I could do.

  • I faced self-doubt.

  • I faced people who looked at the content and said, "Okay, everyone's talking about mindset.

  • You're talking about these four interior empires that the book is based upon.

  • Mindset, Heartset, Healthset, and Soulset.

  • What's that all about?"

  • I tried to have images, little pieces of art in there.

  • I have these frameworks on exponential productivity and elite performance.

  • Then towards the end of the book, there are those 11 letters from Mr. Riley, the eccentric

  • tycoon talking about entering the magic, and the mysticism of prosperity, and philosophy

  • on living a life that soars, and sings, and has an impact and is beautiful.

  • I just tried to write from the deepest, most honest, honorable place I could because I

  • think the world is in a very messy place right now.

  • I think a lot of people are bored, and struggling and exhausted.

  • This isn't a platitude, I think every single human being has this bigness, and this bravery,

  • and this creativity, and this magic inside of them.

  • I've experienced it in my life.

  • Not everyday, but I've experienced it.

  • I wanted to share it with people, how they can enter it in their own lives.

  • So was the process hard for you because you feel like it was a different style of writing,

  • or was it hard just because of travel and balancing the business?

  • I'm trying to understand a little bit more about what made this one more difficult or

  • different than the others for you, because you've written a lot.

  • You've written a ton of books.

  • Yeah.

  • It's a very great question.

  • It was different for me.

  • It was different for me because a lot of my other books, it was teaching, and what I tried

  • to do in this book is balance.

  • How do you master the world by first honoring and building intimacy with your primal hero?

  • It was a hard book because I wanted to go deeper.

  • It was a hard book because there are a lot of new concepts that I believe are disruptive

  • to the field of call it personal development and elite performance.

  • There was a lot of self-doubt as well when I wrote this book, because I think when you

  • try to present anything new to the world, it's... you're going to doubt yourself.

  • Also, to be completely candid, as I always want to be, I hadn't written a book for roughly

  • 10 years.

  • Interesting.

  • I didn't know that.

  • Yeah.

  • So I really had focused more on other things, and there were people who were saying, "Well,

  • his best days are over.

  • Oh, he's the monk who sold his Ferrari, or the greatness guide, or the leader who had

  • no title but he's not an author anymore, and perhaps he's not relevant anymore."

  • So I felt that challenge, and I wanted to do something that was hopefully special.

  • Yeah.

  • I think you really accomplished it.

  • Thank you.

  • Before we... the cameras turn on...

  • I really, really enjoyed it.

  • But I think what you just mentioned there is important because so many of us, no matter

  • what stage of life we're at, I remember when I was in my early 20s having this constant

  • voice in my head like, "You're too old.

  • You're too old already.

  • You haven't done X, Y, or Z by 22 or 23," which now sounds absolutely just...

  • I could slap myself, right, going back.

  • But I think that is one of the most prevalent undercurrents of anxiety and fear in our culture

  • is a fear of irrelevance, and somehow that our best days are behind us.

  • So thank you for sharing that, because it's something that I think all of us, if we haven't

  • faced it yet, it's definitely coming.

  • Yeah.

  • I think that's an important point, which is I think we live in a world where the seduction

  • is to push 1,000 pieces of mediocrity, versus deliver one piece of mastery.

  • What I mean by that is if you spend 20 years on one book, but it is the greatest book that

  • you could possibly do, then that's a win.

  • By the way, even if the world doesn't applaud what you bring to the world, if you've delivered

  • your piece of magic to the world, your Sistine Chapel ceiling to the world, you've won.

  • Yes.

  • We live in this world that is much more about egoism versus heroism.

  • I think heroism is... it's really...

  • The race is really a race against yourself.

  • I'm not that into applause and worldly accolades.

  • I think if you feel you've done your best, and you've been true to your creativity, and

  • you've lived by your values, and you've released what you believe to be magic to the world,

  • and you've done your best to raise others while you've honored yourself, you're a hero.

  • You've won.

  • It doesn't matter if you're an army of one.

  • I mean van Gogh didn't...

  • I believe van Gogh didn't sell one piece of art while he was alive.

  • Yeah.

  • Let's talk about The 5 AM Club specifically.

  • I love the subtitle, which isOwn Your Morning, Elevate Your Life.”

  • So is this a practice for you that you had not only experienced for yourself and the

  • transformative nature of it, but clearly you've taught it to other people?

  • Were you like, "Goodness, if people could just get this one thing"?

  • Obviously, there's so much more in the book than just The 5 AM Club idea, which I want

  • to dive into, but there's something.

  • I mean that's the title of your book.

  • So was this practice itself so transformative you're like, "This is what the next book has

  • to be about"?

  • Absolutely.

  • I have two children, Colby and Bianca.

  • If there was one habit, or if there was one piece of advice –– not that they listen

  • to my advice –– but if there was one piece of advice I'd ask them to listen to, it's

  • rise before the sun.

  • There is a reason many of the great women and men of the world, the great history makers,

  • the great poets, the great philosophers, the great movement makers rose before the sun.

  • There is a magic in the air at 5:00 AM.

  • That's why The 5 AM Club is so transformational, because it's the time of greatest quietude.

  • I believe tranquility is the new luxury on our planet.

  • It is a time of intimate creativity, because you've just been rested.

  • Your brain is fresh.

  • There's very recent cutting-edge science coming out now.

  • When you sleep, your brain actually has a mechanism to wash itself.

  • When you wake up in the morning, your willpower is strongest.

  • When you wake up in the morning, you've got a full well of mental focus.

  • We know that focus in our world is even more valuable than intelligence.

  • I could go on and on on the benefits.

  • I mean you get up at 5:00 AM, you've got the world to yourself.

  • There's no crowds.

  • You can think.

  • You can plan.

  • You can care for yourself in a world where so many people are so depleted.

  • The 5 AM Club really is a game-changer.

  • Then it's not just get up at 5:00 AM and scratch your stomach, or stare up at the ceiling.

  • Or look at your phone.

  • Especially not.

  • I believe you can play with your phone or change the world.

  • You don't get to do both.

  • Yeah.

  • The 5 AM Club method is based on the 20/20/20 formula.

  • I'm happy to get into it.

  • But that is the...

  • Yeah, tell us what it is.

  • That's the revolutionizer.

  • It started from my experience with working with many billionaires.

  • I've coached many of the most successful financiers and titans of industry for over two decades.

  • One of the things I would run them through is the way you begin your day sets up the

  • way you live your day.

  • The 20/20/20 formula that the book is based upon is pretty simple.

  • I go into great detail in the book, but essentially it's from 5:00 to 5:20, the first pocket is

  • move.

  • I'm a fanatic about neuroscience.

  • Why do you get up and move?

  • Because you're going to release serotonin, which is going to make you feel better.

  • You're gonna release dopamine, which is the pleasure and inspirational neurotransmitter.

  • You're gonna release norepinephrine, which will boost your focus.

  • You'll promote neurogenesis.

  • Marie, you can actually grow new brain cells.

  • Oh, hell yeah you can.

  • You will increase your metabolic rate.

  • The way you feel when you first wake up is not the way you're going to feel at 5:20.

  • Second pocket of the 20/20/20 formula, 20 minutes from 5:20 to 5:40.

  • That's on reflection.

  • So a lot of us are busy, but what's the point of being busy if you're doing the wrong things?

  • The billionaires, the great creatives, the people of great impact, the people who live

  • beautiful lives are very intentional.

  • They're very deliberate.

  • They're very conscious.

  • So for 20 minutes, you write in a journal.

  • You can visualize.

  • You can pray.

  • You can meditate.

  • You can simply contemplate how you're going to live your day, what you want to stand for

  • during the day, for example.

  • Then the final pocket of the 20/20/20 formula is all about grow.

  • That's where you just read from a biography, or a business book, or philosophy book or

  • a...

  • Or watch a MarieTV.

  • Well, especially watch a MarieTV.

  • Yeah, of course.

  • That's the game-changer, isn't it?

  • So that's 20 minutes of growing, because I think we're most alive when we are growing.

  • I believe the leader who learns the most wins.

  • So that's, in a nutshell, the 20/20/20 formula.

  • I loved it.

  • I loved how you weaved this tale, and this wonderful narrative in with all the teaching.

  • I wanted to share that.

  • So one of the gifts I've developed from doing this show for almost a decade now is I can

  • almost hear when folks are like, "But wait."

  • So for my audience who's thinking, "All right, Robin, this sounds good, waking up at 5:00

  • AM, but what about the fact that I have tiny babies, and a dog that just threw up, and

  • all of these concerns or constraints that I don't think I can do this?"

  • What do you say to people when they're like, "That just sounds too hard"?

  • Well, the pathway to world class is hard.

  • I think suffering has got a bad rap.

  • I think difficulty...

  • You look at any great athlete, for example, they understand that challenge, difficulty,

  • grit, persistence, wiring in new habits, morning rituals, evening routines are the price of

  • admission for world class.

  • Let's go to the research again.

  • University College London says it takes 66 days of practice to wire in a new habit.

  • In other words, the gift of genius is not genius.

  • The gift of genius is actually neuroplasticity.

  • In other words, we have a brain that can grow.

  • It's plastic.

  • It's malleable.

  • The good news is that's not just for Kanye, and Beyonce, and Federer, and Oprah and Phil

  • Knight.

  • Every one of us has that capability in our brain to build genius.

  • So what I'm suggesting is anyone who wants to get up early so they get an extra hour

  • and they can do the things that we're talking about, practice it for 66 days until you will

  • reach what researchers call a state of automaticity, where it actually gets easier to get up at

  • 5:00 AM than not to get up at 5:00 AM.

  • So in the book, one of the brain tattoos is all change is hard at first, and it's messy

  • in the middle, and it's gorgeous at the end.

  • Everything, Marie, that we once found... that we now find easy, we once found difficult.

  • We do have the ability to wire in new habits.

  • Joining The 5 AM Club is simply the best habit anyone can wire in to lead to an upward spiral

  • of success for greater productivity, better health, more peace of mind, more happiness

  • and living a much more high impact life.

  • Yeah, it's the one thing.

  • I'll tell you, getting up early in order to write my book, that was the only way I could

  • get it done.

  • I knew it was going to be a hard journey, but it was such a beautiful time for me.

  • Those moments when it's still dark out, and when it's so silent and so peaceful.

  • I remember it was honestly so transformative for me.

  • I kept up the practice after finishing the book because it's worked so well.

  • So yeah, thank you for that.

  • So I love that you share too, and we talked about this a little bit, but I feel like we

  • need to go back to it.

  • Actually, I want to go here first.

  • You share in the book one of the rules, "When faced with a choice, always choose the one

  • that pushes you the most, increases your growth, and promotes the unfoldment of your gifts,

  • talents, and personal prowess."

  • I agree with you on kind of running towards that which is challenging or difficult.

  • I feel like there's a balance.

  • For anyone listening going, "Are you guys telling us to make everything so hard?"

  • It's like no, there's this zone I think where you stretch yourself and you see what you're

  • capable of.

  • It's not pushing it over where you get injured, or you get sick or you get burnt out.

  • But in your career, have you noticed that when you've taken that path towards growth,

  • you're like, "Oh my goodness, look at all I can accomplish now"?

  • Yeah, absolutely.

  • I think a bad day for the ego is a great day for the soul.

  • You were talking about people that say, "Well, maybe I don't want to get up at 5:00 AM.

  • It's not for me, and here's why I can't do it."

  • One thing I've realized is we become victims when we recite our excuses, and we recite

  • them so many times we actually believe they are true.

  • I think you can cling to your excuses, or you can go out there and have an impact, and

  • live a fulfilling life, and be highly creative and enjoy the magic life, but you don't get

  • to do both.

  • You're right.

  • No one's saying, "Burn yourself out and hurt yourself," or anything like that.

  • There's a whole chapter in The 5 AM Club on the essentialness of rest.

  • I believe that elite performance without deep recovery leads to depletion of all your assets

  • of genius.

  • So I think it's self-awareness to know when should you rest, when should you pull back,

  • when should you give up from a project, or when you should just continue past your limits

  • so you can find new horizons.

  • That's about getting to know yourself.

  • But I think growth comes from stretching ourselves.

  • I mean often we talk about physically, but in the book I think one of the disruptive

  • ideas are the four interior empires.

  • If I may, I'd just love to get into it, because everyone's talking about mindset.

  • Everything is mindset.

  • Change your thinking, change your life.

  • I think that comes from a lot of messaging from men, candidly.

  • We are more than just our mindset, because our mindset is our psychology.

  • But a human being is mindset, and then what I call heartset, which is your emotionality,

  • and then your healthset, which is your physicality, and then your soulset, which is your spirituality.

  • If you really want to master yourself, and honor these four interior empires so that

  • you experience other interior... other exterior empires, then it's not just mindset.

  • That's only 25%.

  • Yes, you want to work on your psychology and be a positive thinker and install the beliefs

  • of prosperity and elite performance.

  • But you can have a great mindset, and if you have a toxic heartset because you have pain,

  • shame, heartbreak, anger, sorrow, then that's why you're not going to get traction around

  • your ambitions.

  • So in the book, I explain how to calibrate the mindset, how to purify your heartset,

  • and then how to optimize your healthset.

  • Then I'm going to be a little dangerous here, if I may, how to escalate your soulset.

  • I know you speak to a lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of creative people.

  • So they might say, "Well, Robin, soulset isn't relevant to me."

  • I would, with humility and respect, say it's essential to everyone, because soulset is

  • nothing mystical, and it's nothing religious.

  • Soulset is about saying, "I am going to turn down the voice of my ego through my deep inner

  • work, so that the primal hero and highest part of me runs my life."

  • Soulset is about saying, "Life is short.

  • Before I know it, no matter how long I live, I'm going to be dust.

  • How can I serve as many people as possible?"

  • Soulset is about finding a cause that is bigger than your life, that you're going to donate

  • the rest of your life to.

  • I suggest to you when you calibrate your soulset, you become a force of nature on the planet

  • that becomes undefeatable, and yet people don't really focus on soulset.

  • Yeah.

  • Well, I loved it in the book.

  • I actually think our audience is really tapped into this, and they're gonna love that reaffirmation

  • of it.

  • So you also share, "A lot of people are spending their best hours of their best days playing

  • with their phones," and I loved this line.

  • "Your phone is costing you your fortune."

  • So let's talk about cyber zombies, and distractions, and the epidemic of mistakes being made at

  • work.

  • I thought this was really interesting.

  • Josh, my man and I, we often talk about this just in our personal lives where just dealing

  • with whatever it is, the cable company, the day-to-day stuff.

  • We're always like, "Did people always make this many mistakes?"

  • It feels like the errors in every single facet of every single industry have skyrocketed

  • way more than I've ever noticed as an adult.

  • We can go wherever you want to go with this, but you are one of the first people that talked

  • about that, the epidemic of just shoddy, crappy work and mistakes that are being made.

  • I believe, I think as you do, a lot of it has to do with distraction, and technology

  • and our phones For sure, you're right.

  • Now it's very popular to talk about the addiction to technology.

  • I've been talking about it for over 10 years.

  • One of my brain tattoos that I share in the book is an addiction to distraction is the

  • death of your creative production.

  • We all know about the dopamine addiction that happens when you play with your phone.

  • I mean it taps into the nucleus accumbens of the brain, which is the reward center.

  • So every time we look for a like, every time we play with a phone, every time we respond

  • to a notification, there's a shot of dopamine that creates a habit.

  • Then over time the habit turns into an addiction that is just as powerful as an addiction to

  • cocaine, so everyone who can't break free of their technology is like a cocaine addict.

  • They are hooked to their phone versus hooked to their projects, and hooked to their values,

  • and hooked to doing something that's going to allow them to feel amazing about their

  • lives at the end.

  • This could be helpful to your viewers and listeners, but there's a concept known as

  • attention residue.

  • Every single time you respond to a notification, every single time you look at your phone,

  • you deliver or give a piece of your priceless attention to that notification.

  • If you do it 100 times a day, then by the end of the day you have zero focus.

  • I was in a high-quality hotel relatively recently, and I ordered a large bottle of Evian water.

  • I kid you not, they delivered 11 bottles of Evian water.

  • You want to talk about the mistakes being made.

  • It is stunning.

  • There are very few people who are fully present, and yet one of the traits of the great geniuses

  • is this: They could spend long stretches of time in acute focus, thinking about one project

  • free of distraction.

  • In the book, I talk about the model.

  • It's called Transient Hypofrontality, which is really flow state.

  • We all can tap into flow state where genius lives, but you don't get to do there if you're

  • checking your phone all day long.

  • Yeah, totally.

  • In terms of those mistakes, I find that in terms of economics, what that's costing us

  • globally, I can't even.

  • Makes me want to throw up.

  • Then just when it comes to business and just being your best in the world, sometimes it's

  • like if someone actually just shows up and does what they say they were going to do,

  • they show up on time, they actually follow through, I'm like, "Wow, they're amazing."

  • But they've just met the bar of what's expected.

  • Anyway, I think there's just an opportunity for people when they bring their full presence

  • and their heart to their work.

  • You will be seen now, given the landscape, as extraordinary.

  • In The 5 AM Club, I call it a GCA, a Gargantuan Competitive Advantage.

  • It has never been so uncrowded at world class, because so few people are doing the fundamentals

  • of world class.

  • So few people literally sit down in blocks of time, create what I call a tight bubble

  • of total focus and do real work versus fake work.

  • Then I think you were hinting at this, but right now, I mean there's so much loneliness

  • on the planet.

  • We are so technologically connected, and yet how many people do you meet, Marie, that are

  • so cellularly present that just by their listening or just by their being, you feel safer around

  • them?

  • It's pretty rare.

  • I will say one of the things that I love about Team Forleo, I'm just going to brag on them

  • for a minute, that it's our culture here.

  • I think that's why so many of the folks that we work with are so happy at work, because

  • we actually pay attention to each other and we're really present.

  • But to your point, it's transformative in so many ways, and just that ability to be

  • here.

  • I had a friend.

  • Recently he said, "Can you please tell me your secret?"

  • Because I don't respond to texts very quickly, and he's like, "What the hell are you doing?"

  • I'm like, "I literally have my phone off."

  • I go check it at maybe the end of the day, but for long stretches of time it's just not

  • even in my eyesight.

  • It's because that's the only way I can do what I do, and feel great about my life and

  • about my work is to get that freaking thing out of there.

  • There's actually a piece of research that just came out.

  • There was a dummy phone, not even a real phone.

  • But the very physical presence of a phone that wasn't even real reduced people's cognitive

  • ability.

  • In other words, the very presence of a phone makes us dumber.

  • Yes.

  • There's this other great research by this woman.

  • I actually believe she might be Canadian.

  • Maybe not, but she was talking about how if you're at a meal, and let's just say you and

  • I were having a meal together.

  • If we put a phone on the table, the level of our connection is absolutely going to go

  • down.

  • We try in our family just to make it as a practice of, even if we're expecting a call

  • or something's happening, we're like, "Nope, phones can not be in eyesight.

  • They need to be somewhere else."

  • But thank you for sharing that.

  • I love this too.

  • We touched on it a little bit, but I want to remake the point because we live in a culture

  • that encourages nonstop hustle.

  • You write, "We make our worst decisions and lowest choices when we're exhausted, so don't

  • allow yourself to get exhausted."

  • So I want to talk about the importance of taking breaks throughout the day, and also

  • time off.

  • As of the time of this recording, I know we don't necessarily air immediately, but I'm

  • getting ready to take a nice little two week trip to Italy.

  • And first stop is Rome.

  • And it has been transformative for my business the past couple of years...

  • I think it's how long guys?

  • Maybe five, six years now when we shut the company down two times a year.

  • Our company goes dark in the summer and in the winter for a few weeks.

  • It's like no tweets, no posting unless I get really inspired by taking a photograph somewhere.

  • But talk to me about how this has played out in your own life, because you're busy, you

  • run a business, you speak around the world.

  • Yeah.

  • I smile, because after this interview... and thank you again for the opportunity and privilege

  • to be with you.

  • I know how many people that you influence and elevate.

  • Thank you.

  • But I smile, because after this interview I go dark for a long time as well.

  • I'm in Rome, which is one of my favorite places as well.

  • I travel to other places.

  • In The 5 AM Club, there's a model that I think is profound because you're right, we live

  • in a world that evangelizes nonstop hustle.

  • It's all about the hustle.

  • If you're not scheduled 24/7, then you're a loser and you're not doing something right.

  • What I believe, and the research actually bears this out, the elite performers don't

  • operate as marathoners.

  • It's more like a sprint.

  • The Energy Project, for example, has done some wonderful work in this field.

  • The model is basically HEC, your high excellence cycle, and your deep recovery cycle.

  • In other words, there are periods through the day where you bring on intense fire, intense

  • creativity, and then you pull back and recover.

  • One of the rituals in the book is then the 60/10 method.

  • You work for 60 minutes.

  • It's full on fire, sprint.

  • 10 minutes you recover.

  • You drink a cup of tea, you meditate, you listen to music, then you come back with an

  • alarm clock in front of you.

  • Another 60 minutes of profound work, creative work, sweaty work, and then another 10 minutes

  • of recovery.

  • Then you do that during the week.

  • You take two days off or three days off to refuel.

  • Then, as you probably do as well, you take a month off or two weeks off.

  • So what I'm trying to suggest is if all you're doing is being an elite performer, then you're

  • going to actually deplete the very assets that allow you to own your game and play the

  • long game.

  • In the book, there's five assets of genius.

  • It's not just your talent.

  • I believe it's your mental focus, your physical energy, your personal willpower, your original

  • talent and your daily time.

  • Smart creative people and the most productive people, they work really hard, and then they

  • rest without guilt, and they recover and they have fun.

  • I mean the Japanese novelist Haruki Murakami says, "When I'm not writing and enjoying life,

  • my ideas are incubating and I'm writing my next book."

  • Yes.

  • I always find it's so fascinating.

  • Last year, after another trip to Italy, it was when I was the most productive in writing

  • my book.

  • I came back, and it's like stuff just poured out.

  • I definitely have those deep-seated beliefs and even cultural history of work ethic, because

  • that's where... when you come from humble beginnings.

  • One thing I do want to say for everyone listening, because again I have that ability to hear

  • a voice in my head.

  • Obviously, not everyone from a financial position right now where you're at may be able to take

  • several weeks off.

  • That's understandable.

  • But what we can do I think is model that incredibly smart practice of hey, work for 60 minutes,

  • and take a 10 minute break, and actually take a break and get out into nature.

  • You know what I mean?

  • Yeah.

  • Just build up, because when you start I think taking better care of yourself in that sense,

  • your performance is going to go up.

  • Then you might be able to create more pockets of time to have a vacation, even if you don't

  • go anywhere or even jump on a plane.

  • To be able to stay home, and to be with your kids or to be with your family, and to just

  • step away from them even... work even for three or four days can be incredibly recharging.

  • There's a concept I teach, Marie, called the Five Great Hours concept.

  • You see, this 12 hour workday or 8 hour workday comes from the industrial era where the more

  • we work, the more tires we could make or more cars we could produce, but we're cognitive

  • workers now.

  • We're creative workers.

  • Our ideas are the currency of our success right now.

  • Five Great Hours is simply this.

  • I believe that you don't need to work anymore than five great hours every day, because just

  • think about it.

  • If you know how to set up your ecosystem, if you created what I call that tight bubble

  • of total focus, if you worked without your phone, if you use some of the ideas that are

  • in the book, basically your five hours would be equivalent to most people's 12 hours or

  • even a few days of work.

  • So I teach people work from 8:00 til 2:00, and then at 2:00 go to an art gallery, go

  • get a massage, go get on your mountain bike.

  • Five incredibly powerful hours every day.

  • You don't need to work any more than that.

  • Yeah.

  • No, it's very true.

  • I want to end with something that you write in the book, and it's something I talk about

  • a lot.

  • You write, "Tomorrow is a promise, not a fact."

  • I often like to say, "We're all on the same train heading to the same destination, we

  • just don't know when our stop is coming up."

  • So for anyone listening today, if they're like, "You know what?

  • I've heard so many good things," and of course we want them to get the book, and to read

  • the book and to use it.

  • But if someone was feeling hopeful right now, and they're just like, "Robin, what's one

  • thing that you would share with me that could help me just make all of the changes?"

  • If you had one piece of advice, what would you share with them right now?

  • I would say get up at 5:00 AM, run the 20/20/20 formula, stay with it for 66 days.

  • Make that commitment.

  • After 66 days, look at how your life looks like in terms of your productivity, happiness.

  • Also, I'd say when I was growing up, my father, who's just celebrated his 83rd birthday, and

  • he's one of the great heroes of my life.

  • When I was growing up, Marie, he shared something from Rabindranath Tagore, the Bengali poet,

  • that I've never forgotten.

  • My dad used to say, "Son, when you were born, you cried while the world rejoiced."

  • He said, "Robin, live your life in such a way that when you die, the world cries while

  • you rejoice."

  • What I mean by that is no matter how long we get to live, right now everyone on the

  • planet, in 100 years we're going to be dust.

  • Dust.

  • Total dust.

  • Powder.

  • So all the things that we think are so important, the accolades, applause, the number of likes,

  • followers, bikini pics or wearing the right watch, none of that matters.

  • I believe only two things matter on the last hour of our last day.

  • Number one, who did you become?

  • Were you good?

  • Were you authentic?

  • Did you walk towards your fears, and as messy and bloody as it was, walk through them so

  • you wear your scar tissue with pride?

  • Number two, how many people did you serve?

  • I believe that to lead is to serve.

  • I believe the highest form of a human being is doing your work and living in a way that

  • helps other people believe in themselves, and that makes the world a better place.

  • I would just remind people of those two ideas, because I think they're very important.

  • They are very important, and your work is very important.

  • Thank you, Marie.

  • Thank you so much for this beautiful book, and for making the time to be with us today.

  • I hope we get to do it again.

  • Thank you so much, Marie.

  • I appreciate it.

  • Now Robin and I would love to hear from you.

  • We covered a lot of juicy stuff today.

  • I'm curious, what is the insight that meant the most to you, and how can you turn that

  • insight into action starting right now?

  • Of course, you can let us know if you want to become a member of that 5 AM club.

  • Leave a comment below and let us know.

  • Now as always, the best conversations happen over at the wonderful land of marieforleo.com,

  • so get on over there and leave a comment now.

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