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  • [Rachel McAdams] The pay gap between men and women around the world

  • looks a little different depending on how you measure it.

  • In Poland, women earn 91 cents for every dollar a man does.

  • In Israel, it's 81 cents.

  • In South Korea, women make just 65 cents on the dollar.

  • We know that just freeing the potential of women,

  • that is the fastest multiplier that we have in terms of our growth.

  • That is such an accelerator in eradicating poverty.

  • When you go to the store, you don't get a woman's discount.

  • You have to pay the same as everybody else.

  • So that comes out of your family income.

  • [McAdams] When someone mentions the pay gap,

  • you often hear another phrase as well.

  • -Equal pay... -...for equal work.

  • -Equal pay... -...for equal work.

  • [McAdams] It makes it sound like women are paid less

  • for doing the same job as men,

  • which means women are paid less just for being women.

  • There's a word for that, discrimination.

  • But a huge body of research from many countries shows

  • that overt pay discrimination only potentially explains

  • a small part of the gender pay gap.

  • It's a real number, but it really, actually tells you almost nothing

  • about the real disparity between men and women.

  • Women aren't looking for a leg up. They want equal opportunity

  • and equal pay. Big difference.

  • If you want to change culture, you can't sit down and wait.

  • You must do something about it.

  • [McAdams] So, if it's not all about discrimination,

  • why are women around the world paid so much less than men?

  • [man] The woman who works at a career has chosen to ignore that the woman's place...

  • It doesn't matter if you have a female or male body,

  • they should be paid accordingly.

  • [man] I see some really advanced clerical work.

  • Pays women 80 cents for every dollar it pays men.

  • [woman] This is our time to stand up to have our voices heard.

  • And women will lead this country.

  • That's what this is all about.

  • [McAdams] The story in the United States is similar to a lot of countries.

  • It wasn't very long ago that most women, especially white women,

  • didn't work outside the home at all.

  • When you go back to the 1950s,

  • there weren't very many women in the workforce.

  • The women there were were often not as well educated as the men.

  • They either didn't finish college,

  • or they didn't have the same credentials in college,

  • or hadn't gone to college at all.

  • Most of the women in my neighborhood did not work.

  • My mother did not work.

  • The only women that I saw in professional roles were teachers.

  • [McAdams] Most women didn't get that far.

  • Seventy percent had menial jobs on factory assembly lines or in offices.

  • [man] Women workers don't mind routine, repetitive work,

  • and they're good on work that requires high finger dexterity.

  • [McAdams] People understood that a woman might need to earn a little money,

  • but a career? That was for men.

  • Your high score on the clerical aptitude test

  • indicates that you can become a good secretary.

  • [McAdams] Discrimination was also totally legal,

  • allowing employers to put out job listings for men only.

  • When I was growing up,

  • I knew one woman lawyer. One.

  • I never met a woman doctor.

  • I couldn't have even imagined women engineers.

  • [McAdams] The pay gap hovered around 60 cents on the dollar.

  • It was caused by several interconnected factors,

  • like lower female education rates,

  • women not being in the workforce in big numbers,

  • grouping in traditionally feminine industries,

  • and the fact that it was perfectly legal to pay women less,

  • and then a slew of cultural norms about gender roles and aptitudes.

  • These were the major explanations for the pay gap.

  • And then, in just a few decades, things changed.

  • Sisterhood is powerful! Join us now!

  • [man] The battle cry of the women's liberation movement

  • rings out down New York's Fifth Avenue.

  • [man] First woman to receive the highest honor of the National...

  • [man] The House broke into spontaneous applause.

  • Benazir Bhutto, the new prime minister.

  • [man] This is the first American woman in space.

  • [applause]

  • [man] First woman nominated to the Supreme Court.

  • [man] First woman ever to run on a Presidential ticket.

  • My candidacy has said to women, "The doors of opportunity are open."

  • Women are out-earning men in college degrees and advanced degrees.

  • [woman] Women are engaged to bring the next generation.

  • For the first time in history,

  • women are actually outnumbering men in the workplace.

  • This was just a sea change

  • to see women competing for scholarships I couldn't have competed for,

  • going to schools that were not open to women,

  • taking on jobs that were closed to women.

  • That's changed... just... unbelievably.

  • [McAdams] Many of the factors that were causing the pay gap shrunk,

  • except for one.

  • [Anne-Marie Slaughter] But what has stayed is that women bear children.

  • They are assumed to be the primary caregiver.

  • [McAdams] Even as women became doctors, and lawyers, and heads of state,

  • the popular expectation remained in society

  • that they would still do most of the work of raising children.

  • In the United States, in the UK,

  • even in progressive Scandinavian countries,

  • surveys today show only a fraction of the population

  • thinks women should work full-time when they have young kids.

  • When it comes to men, the expectation flips.

  • Seventy percent of Americans think that new fathers should work full-time.

  • There still is a considerable percentage of people,

  • not just in our country, but around the world, who really think

  • once you're a mom, you shouldn't be in the workplace.

  • And that's been proven wrong, short-sighted over and over again.

  • I learned, after I went back, when my time was constrained,

  • not by my employer, but by me,

  • because I wanted to get home to that baby and spend time with her,

  • that I could actually get a lot of work done in 15 minutes.

  • Like, I would take any opportunity to work.

  • I've become, I think, a much better employee since I've had children.

  • [McAdams] Even when a mother does work full-time just like her male partner,

  • she spends nine hours a week more than him on childcare and housework.

  • Over a year, that's the equivalent

  • of an extra three months of a full-time job.

  • This is the heart of the pay gap,

  • and to understand why, it helps to follow the story

  • of a young couple just starting out on their careers.

  • I often think about the trajectories

  • of the many law students I taught.

  • They look exactly the same.

  • They have the same educational record, the same experience.

  • And then you watch what starts to happen

  • as they hit their late 20s, early 30s, childbearing years,

  • and they start thinking about having children.

  • If they have children, at that point, somebody has to be home.

  • You can have lots of childcare,

  • but a parent needs to be at home for those situations that needs a parent.

  • So he's likely to get promoted.

  • She, on the other hand, has had to turn down some of those assignments,

  • say no to some of that travel.

  • So eight years out, ten years out,

  • typically, he's then a partner, and he can do lots of things from there.

  • She hasn't made partner. She's not earning the same.

  • She's working flexibly, or even part-time,

  • and from there, her earning potential and his just keep diverging.

  • [McAdams] This is the story the data tells us in study after study

  • in a variety of different countries.

  • One Danish study did an especially good job

  • of showing how childbirth affects earnings.

  • [McAdams] Here's a man's pay trajectory.

  • Watch what happens when his child is born.

  • Here's the woman's trajectory.

  • So then if you compare the earnings of a woman with kids

  • to a woman without kids,

  • you can see that the pay gap isn't as much about being a woman

  • as it is about being a mom.

  • The gender gap really is between women with children and everybody else.

  • Women who are not caregivers earn 96% of every dollar.

  • It's a motherhood penalty.

  • [McAdams] Some mothers don't see this as a problem.

  • They want to spend more time with their children.

  • They don't mind if it means making less.

  • Some women make a job choice based on the fact they want to have families.

  • Nothing wrong with that.

  • Presenting it as, you know, a penalty is kind of denying

  • first, that women make that choice,

  • but also that there's some extreme value...

  • not just for the children, the family, but also for the women making that choice.

  • A pay gap based on choices, you know, is different

  • than a pay gap that's just because you're a woman,

  • and you just can't get equal pay for doing the same thing a guy does.

  • [McAdams] But often, women and men don't get the same choices.

  • In the US, there are three times as many single moms as single dads.

  • And growing up, most of us get the message

  • that caregiving is more of a woman's job than a man's.

  • Take, for example, a 1980s advice column about how to decorate your desk at work

  • that still rings true today.

  • Someone wrote in and said, "I've just gotten a big promotion,

  • so I'll have my own work space for the first time.

  • How should I decorate it?" And here was the answer,

  • "I can't tell from your initials whether you're a man or a woman,

  • and the answer depends upon which you are.

  • If you're a man, and you have a family, plaster your office with family pictures,

  • because people will think you're a very good provider.

  • If you're a woman, and you have children,

  • don't put pictures up in your office of your family,

  • because people will think you can't keep your mind on your work."

  • [McAdams] The roots of this issue go deep to how we understand family

  • and mothers and fathers.

  • It's why the gap is so hard to close.

  • But it's not impossible.

  • Two countries, Iceland and Rwanda,

  • have almost closed their wage gaps, and in just a few decades.

  • And looking at these two cases reveals important lessons

  • about what it takes to create a society

  • where women are paid almost the same as men.

  • Rwanda is one of the poorest nations on Earth,

  • and until just a few decades ago, women were denied many basic rights.

  • [Consolee Nishimwe] Before 1994,

  • women were not allowed to speak in public.

  • Married women were not allowed

  • to open a bank account without the authorization of their husbands.

  • [McAdams] But in 1994, everything changed.

  • The fifth day of carnage and bloodshed in the Central African nation of Rwanda.

  • Thousands of people are feared dead tonight...

  • The fiercest fighting yet in the Central African nation of Rwanda.

  • [McAdams] In just three months, 800,000 people were murdered.

  • Losing my dad and my three brothers,

  • I survived with my mom and my sister.

  • [McAdams] After the violence, the Rwandan population was 60 to 70% women.

  • It destroyed completely the social fabric.

  • You do anything you can do to survive.

  • [McAdams] The shortage of men meant

  • that women had to step into the workforce in huge numbers,

  • taking on jobs that a year earlier would have been unheard of.

  • You'll find a woman who was police, for instance, or in the military.

  • Gradually, women were found, like, being a mayor, a governor.

  • Women actually were helping to change, you know, the country.

  • [McAdams] The new government realized that to rebuild Rwanda,

  • they needed women.

  • So they immediately implemented a host of new policies

  • aimed at getting more women into positions of power.

  • The preamble to the new Constitution

  • included a commitment to equal rights between men and women,

  • stipulating that 30% of representatives at all levels of government be women.

  • Today in Rwanda, women hold 61% of the seats in Parliament,

  • the highest in the world.

  • They have a labor force participation rate of 88%.

  • Rwanda is one of the few countries

  • where a woman is just as likely as a man to work outside the home.

  • The Constitution also created the position of gender monitor,

  • who ensures that public programs are complying

  • with the country's goals of gender equality.

  • A young girl in Rwanda doesn't think

  • that there is anything that she's not allowed to do.

  • They don't have to grow in a system

  • where they think there will be a ceiling somewhere.

  • [McAdams] This cultural shift around gender began

  • as a survival mechanism after the genocide.

  • But thanks to aggressive policies,

  • Rwanda has achieved lasting progress in closing the gap.

  • The World Economic Forum puts Rwanda's pay gap

  • at 86 cents on the dollar.

  • Much further north, the small island nation of Iceland

  • has also made major strides towards closing the pay gap.

  • But they took a different path towards equality.

  • The real turning point came in 1975.

  • [Crowd chanting song]

  • The year before I was born,

  • the women of Iceland actually left their workplaces

  • and went out in the streets in order to object to the gender pay gap.

  • Without them in their jobs, businesses could not stay open,

  • and it started a huge grassroots wave

  • that, you know, slowly started changing society.

  • The first result was really

  • that women became a lot more visible in the political field.

  • [McAdams] In 1980, five years after the strike,

  • Iceland voted in the world's first democratically-elected female president.

  • ...Iceland. Hurray! Hurray!

  • [McAdams] The number of women in the Icelandic Parliament skyrocketed.

  • Then really, in the years to follow, you see policy changes.

  • [McAdams] In 1981, Iceland passed a law that required employers

  • to provide new mothers three months of paid leave.

  • That was extended to six months in 1988.

  • Guaranteed maternity leave was a novel idea at the time,

  • and Iceland's was one of the most generous in the world.

  • But as progressive as this law was,

  • it encouraged moms to stay home while new fathers kept working,

  • reinforcing cultural norms at the heart of the pay gap

  • that women are caregivers, and men are not.

  • So lawmakers did something radical.

  • What if they gave parental leave to dads

  • and made it a use-it-or-lose-it benefit,

  • so dads would feel pressure to take it?

  • Iceland passed that law in the year 2000.

  • Obligational paternity leave has made a difference

  • in the culture of men in Iceland,

  • a very positive difference.

  • The men of the youngest generations,

  • they expect to take time off to take care of their children.

  • Which really makes all the difference,

  • both at home, but also in the job market,

  • because now you can actually expect,

  • if you're hiring a young man or a young woman,

  • both will take maternity or paternity leave.

  • [McAdams] In 2004, the pay gap in Iceland was about the same as it was in the US,

  • but in the years that followed,

  • Iceland's gender pay gap shrank, to where today,

  • women in Iceland make about 90 cents on every dollar a man does.

  • So we know that narrowing the gender wage gap isn't impossible.

  • But these kind of family-friendly policies might come with tradeoffs

  • that we don't immediately see.

  • These are benefits.

  • Having more of these choices available are great things.

  • We should not expect them to come for free.

  • Some women elect to have children. Some don't.

  • And some men elect to have children. Some don't.

  • Can I look at the person who elected not to have children

  • and say, "You gotta pay for it in some way"?

  • If a mother takes off a lot of time,

  • what does the small business person do who only has three employees?

  • I don't want to penalize a mother,

  • but you don't want to penalize a small business owner.

  • It's not the same with a giant corporation,

  • because they have enormously more flexibility

  • in filling positions, and it doesn't hurt the bottom line.

  • [McAdams] While it may not be

  • the biggest reason women are paid less than men,

  • and it varies significantly across countries and industries,

  • women still don't get equal pay for equal work.

  • There is an irreducible percentage that is due to discrimination.

  • It's just very clear that much of what the workplace favors...

  • favors men.

  • I've watched it in many different settings

  • where, you know, the guy you talk sports with,

  • the guy you go golfing with,

  • he's somebody you get more familiar with, and you're comfortable around.

  • [McAdams] But that kind of discrimination has declined over the decades

  • as more women entered the workplace, and the culture shifted.

  • Changing the expectation that women should be the ones to raise children

  • will require another cultural shift.

  • And in the view of many who work on this issue,

  • that shift begins with men.

  • Until we think of men and women as both caregivers and breadwinners,

  • we're not gonna get there,

  • because as long as it's a woman problem...

  • then we are reinforcing that stereotype that care is her job.

  • It'll only be less of a burden on women when men feel comfortable saying,

  • "I'm going to a parent-teacher conference. I'm not leaving it to my wife."

  • Or, "I really wanna go to the well-baby check-up.

  • They're getting their vaccinations. I wanna be there."

  • The wage gap is not just a woman's issue. It's a family issue.

  • Women have every right to be mothers without being penalized at work.

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