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BOB HERBERT: Hi I'm Bob Herbert. Welcome to Op-Ed. T.V.

demonstrations following the deaths at the hands of

police officers of Eric Garner on Staten Island

The city then went through the trauma of the cold blooded

assassination of two police officers by a

deranged man who shot them while they were sitting in

their patrol car and then killed himself. Those

killings lit the fuse of a continuing and bitter

officers against Mayor Bill de Blasio. We are

fortunate this week to be able to explore this

complex and potentially dangerous state of affairs

with the borough president of Brooklyn Eric Adams,

who graduated at the top of his class at the police

academy in 1984, and spent twenty two years as an

officer with the N.Y.P.D. Eric, how are you?

ERIC ADAMS: And it should be a footnote, I graduated

at the top not because of brilliance, endurance-

BOB HERBERT: Endurance, right, which is really an important

issue, you know, when I talk on college campuses I tell

college kids this, persistence and endurance, discipline

BOB HERBERT: But I'm sure a certain amount of

brilliance too. So you've been obviously on both

sides of this sort of thing, both as a police

officer within the department and as a public official.

How do we begin to sort out this unfortunate situation?

Do, for example, do the cops have a legitimate grievance

with Mayor de Blasio? What's going on there?

ERIC ADAMS: Well the first order, I believe,

is to understand that it's complex. Many people believe

there's a simplistic response to, how do we have public

safety and how do we ensure that our police

officers are safe and it's not. It is extremely

complex, particularly when you police in certain

communities and what you bring to those policing

environments. And if we don't identify all of them

then we're going to be in this constant state of

just debating with each other and not coming to resolutions.

BOB HERBERT: Now you recently wrote an op-ed piece

in The New York Times that carried the headline

Now I've covered a tremendous amount over the

officers. I do not contend that that's the norm by

any means but there has been a great deal of it.

But if you talk to police officials they will almost

always tell you that there is very little excessive

force used by cops and almost no racial profiling.

This conflicts with sort of what I've seen in my career.

ERIC ADAMS: Well it's more than what you or I or anyone

else has witnessed, the facts speak for themselves.

show as we have these conversations, is that a

police officer he or she leaves their command with

a tool box full of tools to go and fight crime or

correct conditions. They use the full scope of

those tools in certain communities. And in other

communities they only pull out their hammer.

They immediately go to this use of force. And I think that

is not so much racist as much as a racial society

that we live in. When a police officer is

recruited from that society, he goes to the

police academy with these racial stereotypes and

understanding and no one trains him in the police

academy how to deal with that and how to address

that. So they go on to the patrol with the

misunderstanding that you can just go into a

multicultural, multi diverse community and just

police based on what you know when you didn't

address some real issues that impact us all.

BOB HERBERT: Now you addressed that specifically in your

op-ed article. You wrote, and this is a quote,

"One of my white fellow officers once told me that

if he saw a white individual with a gun, he

took extra care for himself and the individual.

When he saw a black individual with a gun,

he took care only for himself." Now the double

standard could hardly be more stark or explicit

situation is that bad how do we begin to change it

ERIC ADAMS: And I remember one case in particular in

the transit authority where a white male entered the system

armed with a gun and the officers saw him and

approached him in a very casual manner because,

again, they thought white male equals law

enforcement plus a gun. When you see, when one

sees a black male or Hispanic person they think

immediately gun, person of color, equal criminal.

So that misconception or that pre-disposition cannot

only harm the innocent person but you can also

endanger the officer. So our training must really

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