It's very sophisticated idea, I think, rather than a simple idea, it's it's difficult to know what to make of it, but it doesn't really matter because I think regardless of what your attitude is towards those sorts of things intellectually, you still end up in the same position as Jacob, for all intents and purposes, practically speaking, because I don't think that there's anyone who at some point in their life, or perhaps even every day, doesn't at some level wrestle with God and you could just call it while the nature of reality.