Name: 我認為我們可以拯救民主"--丹麥前首相海爾-索寧-施密特。 ('I think we can save democracy' - Former Prime Minister of Denmark Helle Thorning-Schmidt)
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hello and welcome to ways to change the world.

I'm Krishnan, Guru Murthy and this is the podcast in which we talked to extraordinary people about the big ideas in their lives.

On the events that have helped shape thumb.

My guest today was until very recently the CEO off the charity Save the Children.

Before that, she had another fairly important job.

Is the Prime Minister of Denmark on Before that was the leader of the opposition.

She also happens to be married to the Welsh Labour MP Stephen Kinnock.

So she's well acquainted with Britain as well.

Have so much, in fact, that live is I'm very well acquainted with this country.

I mean, you set your CV sounds as though you were born to try to save the world.

I grew up in the south of Copenhagen, which is reason to part where no one wants to go and no one wants to live.

Hopefully has changed now, but back then it was It was a place where we had all the issues with immigration, a cultural clash and This was not a particularly a place where a former prime minister would come from.

My mom and dad got divorced and there was no politicians whatsoever in our family.

Were your middle class for No, no, no, no, it lead whatsoever.

Didn't know any politicians, didn't know anyone from the elite at all, and grew up very, very modest conditions.

Actually, with my mom, particularly when they got divorced, the money wasn't great.

She was in a computer in computer science and she got a degree very late in her life.

My mom and I think that sense off the trying to create a fair society comes both from my mom and my dad.

And I remember very clearly when I came home from school, which was just the local school that I went to and said, This is unfair and the teachers are lit this and that.

They would both say to me, Have you tried to change it yourself?

They've got installed in me that if you see something which is not right or not fair.

Until what extent is that a national characteristic?

And I mean we we in Britain, I just think of yeah.

Scandinavia is kind of generally sort of quite liberal.

Lefty, social Democrat, you know, high tax, more egalitarian.

I mean, we are different from many, many other places in this world.

I had the opportunity to travel too many parts of this world and see people and meet people and being different countries.

And there's something about the Nordic countries, which is different because we don't accept a country.

We talk about it a lot, and we have developed this welfare state where people pay a lot of tax.

But what they get out of that is a fairly is a fair society and a welfare state that actually is a safety net for many, many people and gives a lot of opportunity as well.

So that was why I was able to to break out.

I got an education I got supported by the state and to make it to a large extent, the fact that they're waas a support system in the in the welfare state made me gave me the opportunities that I used to become too good university to do great things later on, like fun things and also become Prime Minister.

I mean, when you say you know, we don't accept inequality, Yeah, we think it's unfair.

And to what extent is that that we really everybody is there?

I would say that we don't think that huge inequalities is a great thing.

I mean, you can be very wealthy in Denmark and some people are and you can be poor in Denmark as well.

But we actually look at the genie cocoa if citizen and look at it, is it growing?

And one of the things I did when I was prime minister was to try and change that bring Children out of poverty and poverty is off course relative in Denmark to other places in the world.

But we are serious about these things than we talked about a lot, and we actually think that tax is also there to try to bring more equality and also is not only about redistribution once you have pay tax, but we also very much.

I'm very into this concept off pre distribution where you also try to give agency and give opportunity to people who are not as advantage when from from their background, How do you think a national characteristic like that comes about on?

I mean, it comes about that No one there's if there's a really positive side to it, which I'm talking about here.

The negative side is that we also have this even if you have been prime minister or you are someone who had standing out in one way or the other.

You can't think of yourself as a special, and that really comes across in many, many areas off Danys life.

It's a great thing when I walk around the streets of Copenhagen or in Denmark and general people will treat me exactly like anyone else.

I talked to everyone there and it's a very qualitative society and that I think that's a great thing and you see it in every part off life there.

So if I asked you to describe Britain's national characteristic comes to equality, what would you say?

I go to Wales quite often, my family's from whales and Steve's constituencies.

Then we got friends and well, so I see many parts off of the U.

And I think the the characteristics of the people here and the way we talk to each other the way we are with each other, there's so many things.

It's good to say about the UK, but I also feel that since I've moved over, I came over in 2016.

Things have changed him and there is a distance between us now that didn't exist before.

And I do think that unless things change over the coming years, we will grow further and further apart in the UK and I think that's really, really sad.

Because I mean on the Brexit Brexit vote didn't help.

And because it went on for so long and there were it wasn't resolved is still not resolved for so many years.

It just it just meant that Brits grew further and further apart.

But it was something that started before that.

I think it's a symptom off many, many things.

First of all, the You have not been debated here for 40 years in a in a fair way.

And but it was also a symptom off the divisions in the UK There's always been a bigger division between rich and poor in the UK Now there's also a big division between people who live in the big city centres like London and people living for example, South Wales, where I come a lot.

I mean, the division there is really quite palatable.

If you go from from London to one of those places, you feel the difference is almost like turning up on a different planet.

When you arrive at the Park Talbot Parkway and and go out to society there, people are poor, they have less opportunity and they see the world in a different way, and I think those divisions between rich and poor towns and cities, people who feel that globalization is a great thing and people who are a little bit more reserved to watch globalization.

People who have been deeply affected by the lack of industrial politics policies.

In this country, people have any air degree people who don't I mean, there's so many divisions, and then the added one now is the division between young and old.

Where were you have a younger didn't generation that don't have the same hopes for their future as we did when we were younger.

So I think you see many divisions and it's not helping with trying to bridge all those those gaps that exist in the UK Now it's why did you go into politics?

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我認為我們可以拯救民主"--丹麥前首相海爾-索寧-施密特。 ('I think we can save democracy' - Former Prime Minister of Denmark Helle Thorning-Schmidt)

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